Some commendations need improvements

There are some commendations that need to be improved

List:
Unstoppable - Survive a full match of Breakout
Warden Slayer - Kill Wardens
Beam Rifle - Kill an enemy Spartan with the Beam Rifle
Mantis Gunner - Kill enemy Spartans with a Mantis
Mongoose Destroyer - Destroy enemy occupied Mongooses
Mantis Destroyer - Destroy enemy occupied Mantises
Phaeton Gunship Gunner - Kill enemy Spartans with a Phaeton Gunship
Against All Odds - Win a round of any Breakout gametype while alone and outnumbered in matchmaking
And Stay Off - Kill an enemy Spartan that is clambering

here is an a reason why each needs to be looked at:

Unstoppable - either remove it entirely or make round based, not game based. sorry, but the only way to unlock that is 2 ways, that both require luck, not skill based. 1) Luckily, you dont get evenly match, player/skill wise, and you dominate and not ever get shot which chances are if you are a forward team player, who actually helps their team who PTFOing, you have a high risk of dying atleast 1 or more times so its extremely rare. Or the other way,that’s easier, is to be a camping -Yoink- and have your teammates on your team run out and fight the battle for you while you sit back and hide. i have seen too many players do this. kind of what ruined the experience for me. too many people want it so they camp for the win. hope they get 5 victories in a row and win the game and get 1 medal. now do it over again how many times? 15-30. you can say its slightly skill the 1st way but it is still way more luck. because while i killed 1 person in a round and my teammate killed 3 but the last player got him and than my other teammate killed that guy. he played better but its just chance that he got killed. i mean its swat with 1 life. your probability of surviving is just gone if someone pulls out a pistol and just gets at least 1 good round off and headshots you with that new auto aim assist that curves the bullet slightly in midair, it’s over. so the better way to get it is to camp and not help and hope they can win on a 4v3. totally ruining the point of the game of being competitive. i get 343 had good intention on this one but unfortunately too many people would rather take the easy route and try to play safe and camp. if i see a teammate do this not helping my team by 3rd round i just team kill him. And i didnt even mention that if the match is even that you are going to lose at least 1 round. and to go longer matches with more rounds because the game is more even than a one sided match. so its just rewarding for uneven luck matches. And if you are gonna talk about i need a fireteam, read link
Warden Slayer - this one i have seen has a lot of people complain about, and for good reason. Again the whole BS of your teammate, or someone on the enemy team, running in, put no effort in, and got the last shot and stole the kill even though you did all the work. i had a solution i posted a while back for this you should get boss kills for killing the boss where if in the last few shots that finished him off, or any other boss, you get kill points for and medal but doesn’t contribute to team score as that goes to the very last team to do damage, even that is still debatable. If you played SW:Battlefront and played Hero Hunt, you know exactly how annoying this is when you are the one that did all the work and someone steals hero kill that you deserved. Oh and there is also a glitch where it gives people the kill who werent engaging the boss. one player said he got a warden kill and he only shot him for a bit, died, ran off and was doing other things, and when warden died he got the kill. So glitch and boss kill count need to be addressed. and don’t try and tell me this is skill and this is not. what 343 is saying about kill stealing being legit is not. its why i didnt bother to help kill warden til near death.

Against All Odds - that’s just chance. you can’t just hope your teammates die and you get it. so thats just chance you get in that situation… and win. you are already at disadvantage, which is the point of the commendation. so the requirements to complete should be lower. its not gonna happen as often as the other things listed in the category. the rarity of this happening when usually your team is either getting owned or dominating makes it just hardly possible to get, its too rare of a situation situation so either lower or remove. a better way to get this commendation and Unstoppable is by camping, hoping your teammates lose and you are the last guy left and you pop them with the pistol. 2 commendations in one with no skill needed.

Beam Rifle - you have to play it on warzone and either you luckily unlocked it or got it from a fallen ally/enemy otherwise you aren’t getting it. So put it on more Arena maps. We would love for it in BTB. Take out the sniper rifles on Basin and replace with beam rifles. this goes with other weapons currently not in BTB like Fuel rod n SAW and Plasma Caster etc, put at least 1 or 2 in total that can be used in BTB. i dont mean every map have one, but there should be at least a map or 2 that has them on it.

Mantis Gunner/Destroyer - its only on warzone, so its not seen as very often. I use to see them a little bit in the earlier months but now i haven’t seen one in a while. It’s like they are going extinct. i dont think any maps in arena have them, so would be nice if at least 1 new map in BTB had them. either that or lower amount needed. But we would really rather have them back in BTB. also scorpion n phaeton need to be in BTB.

Mongoose Destroyer - this is a problem where killing the vehicle is way more trickier. no one really drives a mongoose, unless you are asking to die, only gungooses. but even for both, you end up easily killing the player before the vehicle itself because the player is fully expose so even when shooting at goose and not the player, you end up killing the driver. so lowering the amount needed or require killing player in mongoose and no vehicle itself. also another reason this is difficult to get is, just like in other games like Homefront with helicopters, people bail out when its on fire and about to be destroyed. so it makes it way harder since everyone knows a goose is not the best vehicle for all combat roles and that when you are outmatched, its best to hope out and run. at least warthogs you can now fly back into the turret and shoot. with gooses not having much offense capability, when you are out matched and cant get away on goose because its about to be destroyed, just like other vehicles i have seen, bailout.

Phaeton Gunship Gunner - just like the mantis, phaeton is only warzone. probably even more extremely rare than the mantis. at least destroying it is easy since there are bosses with them. but otherwise getting one is not happening anytime soon. I would also like to see this in a BTB map, with the mantises, kind of counter balance each other. Either that or lower the amount of kills needed as to get one in Warzone is rare. there are none in Arena and only in Warzone can you kill bosses and you have to have cards to call them in which are like ultra rare and legendary cards.

And Stay Off - this one i just feel needs to be less. i mean its rare to get someone to clamber and kill them. its like less than a second animation. more often you are going to kill them either before or after the clamber animation is over. unless you happen to have a power weapon on you. so lowering the amount would be better.

Ah man, I only need seven more warden kills to get the warden commendation.

Well, I would say you just need to practice a bit more and expect a little less instant gratification.

I’m on level 5 for my Mantis gunner and destroyed commendations, 5 for Mongooses destroyed, 5 for Beam Rifle kills. I think I’m on level 4 for both Warden and Phaetons destroyed, and level 3 for Keep Off.

I do agree with you about Breakout commendations, I hate the type so don’t play it unless it come up in team arena. But for the others I suggest you keep playing and experiment with strategies.

Well, some of the commendations are just too difficult to get. I mean, seriously? The Warden Slayer one is just insane. Its hard enough to get the last shot on the warden, and theres a chance the game might not last long enough to get to the warden

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> Well, I would say you just need to practice a bit more and expect a little less instant gratification.
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> I’m on level 5 for my Mantis gunner and destroyed commendations, 5 for Mongooses destroyed, 5 for Beam Rifle kills. I think I’m on level 4 for both Warden and Phaetons destroyed, and level 3 for Keep Off.
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> I do agree with you about Breakout commendations, I hate the type so don’t play it unless it come up in team arena. But for the others I suggest you keep playing and experiment with strategies.

Well, I would say you need to read a bit more and stop assuming. i did state glitches on warden that need to be address and all your mantis kills and beam rifle are on Warzone. you are requiring one game mode that you also have to have unlocked in order to start getting them. so if i dont get luck of draw like you did, i cant start using them. And the longer it takes, the harder it will be to get kills in Warzone because people will have already adapted. when i was able to steal a few i was able to get kills but near the end it became more scare and now i havent even seen a mantis in over a month. so saying “get good” isnt a valid argument. “getting good” doesnt make an enemy mantis spawn for you to try n kill. thats why they need to be brought into BTB.

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> Well, some of the commendations are just too difficult to get. I mean, seriously? The Warden Slayer one is just insane. Its hard enough to get the last shot on the warden, and theres a chance the game might not last long enough to get to the warden

that too. but the glitch annoys me more when you do get last kill but it gives it to some guy who off in the middle of nowhere who didnt kill the warden and wasnt in any angel to shoot and yet got the kill accross the other side of the map. one time on APEX he was behind the Relic in the caves but warden in in the front on the Relic and yet he dies and he was like “oh boy i got the warden kill and i didnt even try to kill him. i just shot a few round and went into the caves, 5 seconds later, when you killed him, it gave me it, YIPPY!” that was annoying

none of these are a problem.

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If I have the commendation done, then say can you (warden, beam rifle)
The break out ones I’ve never tried, but I knew already they seemed retarded. Some just are. Remember Halo Reach survive a round of Firefight? Nevermind the surviving, just DOING 5000 (or whatever it was) rounds of firefight was stupid enough.
IN H5, commendations are meant to be obtainable, but that doesn’t mean each and every one will be handed to you. I think Immortal is geared more towards teams, which is why you see breakout champions who have this commendation long finished.

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> > Well, I would say you just need to practice a bit more and expect a little less instant gratification.
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> > I’m on level 5 for my Mantis gunner and destroyed commendations, 5 for Mongooses destroyed, 5 for Beam Rifle kills. I think I’m on level 4 for both Warden and Phaetons destroyed, and level 3 for Keep Off.
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> Well, I would say you need to read a bit more and stop assuming. i did state glitches on warden that need to be address and all your mantis kills and beam rifle are on Warzone. you are requiring one game mode that you also have to have unlocked in order to start getting them. so if i dont get luck of draw like you did, i cant start using them. And the longer it takes, the harder it will be to get kills in Warzone because people will have already adapted. when i was able to steal a few i was able to get kills but near the end it became more scare and now i havent even seen a mantis in over a month. so saying “get good” isnt a valid argument. “getting good” doesnt make an enemy mantis spawn for you to try n kill. thats why they need to be brought into BTB.

Ok so half my Mantis kills were in BTB, before they removed the Mantis from Guillotine, as for Warden glitches I haven’t noticed what you said, but I have seen (and done) kill stealing on the Warden. 343s answer to your complaint is essentially “deal with it” so not sure what your going for here.

As for RNG, yes you’re right I’ve had good luck in weapons and vehicles but for you and others without the REQs you can always pick the odd one up, I believe the only weapon not in Arena is the Beam Rifle, so it does suck but eventually you’ll get a cert. Luck comes and goes, I killed 2 Mantis today and almost got a third, so if you haven’t seen one in a month you’ve probably had really bad luck, or you’re not in the right time/place. I suggest trying to keep an eye on Garages in Warzone, vehicle killing for commendations requires camping with a rocket or a camo.

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> none of these are a problem.

clearly you didnt read

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> > > Well, I would say you just need to practice a bit more and expect a little less instant gratification.
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> > > I’m on level 5 for my Mantis gunner and destroyed commendations, 5 for Mongooses destroyed, 5 for Beam Rifle kills. I think I’m on level 4 for both Warden and Phaetons destroyed, and level 3 for Keep Off.
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> > > I do agree with you about Breakout commendations, I hate the type so don’t play it unless it come up in team arena. But for the others I suggest you keep playing and experiment with strategies.
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> > Well, I would say you need to read a bit more and stop assuming. i did state glitches on warden that need to be address and all your mantis kills and beam rifle are on Warzone. you are requiring one game mode that you also have to have unlocked in order to start getting them. so if i dont get luck of draw like you did, i cant start using them. And the longer it takes, the harder it will be to get kills in Warzone because people will have already adapted. when i was able to steal a few i was able to get kills but near the end it became more scare and now i havent even seen a mantis in over a month. so saying “get good” isnt a valid argument. “getting good” doesnt make an enemy mantis spawn for you to try n kill. thats why they need to be brought into BTB.
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> Ok so half my Mantis kills were in BTB, before they removed the Mantis from Guillotine, as for Warden glitches I haven’t noticed what you said, but I have seen (and done) kill stealing on the Warden. 343s answer to your complaint is essentially “deal with it” so not sure what your going for here.
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> As for RNG, yes you’re right I’ve had good luck in weapons and vehicles but for you and others without the REQs you can always pick the odd one up, I believe the only weapon not in Arena is the Beam Rifle, so it does suck but eventually you’ll get a cert. Luck comes and goes, I killed 2 Mantis today and almost got a third, so if you haven’t seen one in a month you’ve probably had really bad luck, or you’re not in the right time/place. I suggest trying to keep an eye on Garages in Warzone, vehicle killing for commendations requires camping with a rocket or a camo.

link the response the were they said “deal with it” that sounds like something they wouldnt say. And if you are saying you camp people’s headquarters for vehicle kills thats pretty bad. i know lots of people complain about that and rumored it will be patched with auto turret or soft kill boundaries or other sorts so you can camp enemy base spawn.

Now there is a BTB map with a mantis. So good job 343 :grinning: Now we just need the phaeton…

And as for the Warden kills it is actually possible to assassinate Warden. Look it up on YouTube it looks friggin sweet

You are allowed to express your own opinion. That being said I only will agree on 2 of your points the 2 Breakout commendations Unstoppable and against all odds are ridiculously hard to get. Unstoppable I managed to pick up the first round of the commendation how did I get it? I basically sat back and didn’t do anything. Against all odds is insanely hard but you have to be lucky to smoke check a you vs 2 players on enemy team. If your trying to earn them all all I can say is get a team. Let them know your intentions and hopefully they’ll be cool with it.

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> clearly you didnt read

People not agreeing with your “reasons” doesn’t mean they didn’t read the thread. It means they don’t agree with you.

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> > > > Well, I would say you just need to practice a bit more and expect a little less instant gratification.
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> > > > I’m on level 5 for my Mantis gunner and destroyed commendations, 5 for Mongooses destroyed, 5 for Beam Rifle kills. I think I’m on level 4 for both Warden and Phaetons destroyed, and level 3 for Keep Off.
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> > > > I do agree with you about Breakout commendations, I hate the type so don’t play it unless it come up in team arena. But for the others I suggest you keep playing and experiment with strategies.
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> > > Well, I would say you need to read a bit more and stop assuming. i did state glitches on warden that need to be address and all your mantis kills and beam rifle are on Warzone. you are requiring one game mode that you also have to have unlocked in order to start getting them. so if i dont get luck of draw like you did, i cant start using them. And the longer it takes, the harder it will be to get kills in Warzone because people will have already adapted. when i was able to steal a few i was able to get kills but near the end it became more scare and now i havent even seen a mantis in over a month. so saying “get good” isnt a valid argument. “getting good” doesnt make an enemy mantis spawn for you to try n kill. thats why they need to be brought into BTB.
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> > Ok so half my Mantis kills were in BTB, before they removed the Mantis from Guillotine, as for Warden glitches I haven’t noticed what you said, but I have seen (and done) kill stealing on the Warden. 343s answer to your complaint is essentially “deal with it” so not sure what your going for here.
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> > As for RNG, yes you’re right I’ve had good luck in weapons and vehicles but for you and others without the REQs you can always pick the odd one up, I believe the only weapon not in Arena is the Beam Rifle, so it does suck but eventually you’ll get a cert. Luck comes and goes, I killed 2 Mantis today and almost got a third, so if you haven’t seen one in a month you’ve probably had really bad luck, or you’re not in the right time/place. I suggest trying to keep an eye on Garages in Warzone, vehicle killing for commendations requires camping with a rocket or a camo.
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> link the response the were they said “deal with it” that sounds like something they wouldnt say. And if you are saying you camp people’s headquarters for vehicle kills thats pretty bad. i know lots of people complain about that and rumored it will be patched with auto turret or soft kill boundaries or other sorts so you can camp enemy base spawn.

Original Thread on Warden Well there’s your thread, I guess you didn’t search Waypoint or you would have seen it, but they basically said the Warden is fair game for the guy who has a Splaser at the last minute.

As for camping, as a longtime Halo player (and RvB fan) my response is “It’s a legitimate strategy!” I’m not sitting exclusively waiting for people to pop out of the spawn zones, but if I’m pointing rockets at your base, sucks to be the guy wandering out with a Mantis. You play the game your way, I’ll play my way, I will point out that I have my commendations mostly done, so obviously it’s effective, and there is no rule against it.

I’m actually almost done with the Warden slaying. Vehicles helps getting kills on him. Especially the phaeton and scorpian tank. Battle of noctus makes it go by faster… Sadly that map hardly pops up.
-Edit: I just checked, I only need to kill him 4 more times in warzone. LOLOLOL then it is fully complete.

OP just remember all of these take time. If they were that easy to get people wouldn’t have them to keep trying for. It’s a hook to keep you coming back.

I am SR 96 and I still have no mantis or phaeton cert. I have also never gotten one when I have used the ultra-rare req card. I usually get a rocket hog or tank. Never a mantis or phaeton or even a gauss hog.

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> Now there is a BTB map with a mantis. So good job 343 :grinning: Now we just need the phaeton…

which map has mantis, you do know they removed the mantis off of one of the BTB maps that had it right?