Social playlist not needed, git gud?

Tl;dr: Social playlists won’t solve all your problems. It’s still useful. Things like grouping with friends of varying ranks, warmups, non-competitive game modes and such. If you want it so you feel like a better player than you really are, or for easier wins, then you’re in it for the wrong reasons.

So I normally do not post much on the forums. I read every once in a while. Lately I’ve been reading people complain that there is no social playlist. Why is this desired so much?

What I have seen so many post about is that they are getting killed too easily. Or that they have to try hard in order to compete. Or, ridiculously, they want to dominate other players. Isn’t this why we have a skill based matchmaking system?? So you get matched with players near your skill level. So people don’t get destroyed every match and people don’t dominate every match.

Its kind of a contradiction isn’t it? You want to coast through and not be a try hard but you still want to win and be better than the competition? Sounds like you want to be competitive to me. You don’t like getting killed and going negative and want to kill more people than you get killed? Sounds competitive. That’s like saying “I don’t want to do what I should have to in order to win, I just want to win”.

Now, if it’s a conversation about adding social for things like warm up games or if you have a team and the ranks are so far apart from each other, I’m on board. I’m all for social playlists. Warzone doesn’t quite cut it in that regard, it’s more of a game within a game I think. I also think it would be great to have social playlists for things like action sack, griffball and infection. But, if you want to tell me you want social because you’re tired of getting smashed or want to smash people then you’re in it for the wrong reason. Should you have to “git gud”? I don’t think so, but i also think that’s an inevitability for even the most casual players to eventually get to. You’re going to grow into your rank eventually. At least, that’s the point.

I am Onyx rank. I play often enough. My brother, is the definition of casual. Plays infrequently, normally with myself, and he normally doesn’t do too well. So he got his rank finally. Even after playing with me and getting carried to a bunch of wins he probably had no business winning, against opponents that were much higher skilled than himself, he still placed in bronze. Now when he plays alone, he is able to maintain an even, sometimes higher than even K/D. He’ll probably never make it out of bronze. He only plays casually, yet he’s never once complained about the lack of social. Anecdotal evidence aside, social has its place, it just might not solve the problem you’re having.

Agree? Disagree?

Disagree.

People come in all different skill levels. I have friends above me, and below me. I’d like to be able to play in matches where that skill doesn’t matter.

I agree that it won’t solve the problem, really, but not having the pressure of ranks would be nice.

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> Tl;dr: social won’t solve all your problems. It’s still useful, but it’s not going to make you a better player.
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Stoped reading right here.

No one is saying Social is going to make them better, what people are saying is they want SOCIAL playlists where they can have fun and mess around without having to go all PRO MLG TRYHARD every match.

If you can’t understand this then please don’t make threads like this.

Social is needed because people want fun relaxed matches and others use them as warm up matches before joining the competitive playlists.

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> People come in all different skill levels. I have friends above me, and below me. I’d like to be able to play in matches where that skill doesn’t matter.
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> I agree that it won’t solve the problem, really, but not having the pressure of ranks would be nice.

Well, actually I mentioned that as a reason for having a social playlist. To play with friends of all skill levels.

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> > Tl;dr: social won’t solve all your problems. It’s still useful, but it’s not going to make you a better player.
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> Stoped reading right here.
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> No one is saying Social is going to make them better, what people are saying is they want SOCIAL playlists where they can have fun and mess around without having to go all PRO MLG TRYHARD every match.
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> If you can’t understand this then please don’t make threads like this.
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> Social is needed because people want fun relaxed matches and others use them as warm up matches before joining the competitive playlists.

Should have read the post…

I just want something where I can relax. TBH, I even can’t do that in Warzone. It’s a casual gametype, but you will find atrocious teammates and sweaties, which is why I tend to party up. I don’t think I want to play too much Arena until I get the new aiming options. It’s not fun seeing ranks after game.

I need a grifball, infection, action sack. They need team objective playlist, multi team, etc.

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> > People come in all different skill levels. I have friends above me, and below me. I’d like to be able to play in matches where that skill doesn’t matter.
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> Well, actually I mentioned that as a reason for having a social playlist. To play with friends of all skill levels.

Then why are you trying to advocate for NOT having one?

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> > Well, actually I mentioned that as a reason for having a social playlist. To play with friends of all skill levels.
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I’m not… If you read the entire post you would see that. I guess people just read the title and first sentence and reply. Is that what happened??

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> > > > People come in all different skill levels. I have friends above me, and below me. I’d like to be able to play in matches where that skill doesn’t matter.
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> > > > I agree that it won’t solve the problem, really, but not having the pressure of ranks would be nice.
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> I’m not… If you read the entire post you would see that. I guess people just read the title and first sentence and reply. Is that what happened??

Nah. I read your post. I just disagree with you. :slight_smile:

(I’m also in the middle of cooking dinner so I’m kind of all over the place atm.)

be nice to have the option imo

Snickerdoodle: Ahh yes lol, that makes sense. Well we do agree on at least one thing anyway haha.

The TL;DR doesn’t properly sum up what you stated. Agree with your whole post but disagree with your TL;DR.

Like everyone else said, would rather have a place to relax and not have the competitive pressure, that’s not just friends in custom games.

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> The TL;DR doesn’t properly sum up what you stated. Agree with your whole post but disagree with your TL;DR.

Hmmm, maybe I’ll adjust it to be a little more clear.

Halo 3’s multiplayer life was a tremendous success partly due to the fact that the ranking system was perfect and there were both social and competitive.

Honestly we should return to that system, but that’s just my opinion.

“So you get matched with players near your skill level.” - Not really true in this game from what I have played, since I have had matches that are 50 to 30 or 50 to 24, a good system that you are suggesting where you are matched with similar skill players would not let you have an above. 2.0 K/D or even 1.5, also it should not let me get three 5 kill streaks in the same match. A good match is where the teams are no more than 10 kills apart or great at 5 kills apart when done. I know this is an opinion but if you are playing with similar skill opponents it should be true.

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> “So you get matched with players near your skill level.” - Not really true in this game from what I have played, since I have had matches that are 50 to 30 or 50 to 24, a good system that you are suggesting where you are matched with similar skill players would not let you have an above. 2.0 K/D or even 1.5, also it should not let me get three 5 kill streaks in the same match. A good match is where the teams are no more than 10 kills apart or great at 5 kills apart when done. I know this is an opinion but if you are playing with similar skill opponents it should be true.

Player skill fluctuates one game you might do amazing next not so much even pros have bad days it would be impossible to match you with people depending on good game or bad game it’s your general skill level based on consistency so ur comments kinda invalid

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> People come in all different skill levels. I have friends above me, and below me. I’d like to be able to play in matches where that skill doesn’t matter.
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> I agree that it won’t solve the problem, really, but not having the pressure of ranks would be nice.

^ This.

Gaming brings together many different people. Both the highly competitive and the casual. It only makes sense to cater to both parties in order to ensure a game succeeds.

While I agree that Social playlists won’t extinguish all the fires of our argument it will significantly cut down on stress levels between those two player groups. Halo 3 is a prime example. Even in Social Big Team Battle I would run in to a couple of pro players cleaning house on my team from time to time.

It’s unavoidable but the lack of ranking allows more people to cut loose for a while and just chill out to some good old fashioned Halo.

Anyway, isn’t this sort of thing a reason why Action Sack was created? Yes, I’m looking at you 343i…

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> > “So you get matched with players near your skill level.” - Not really true in this game from what I have played, since I have had matches that are 50 to 30 or 50 to 24, a good system that you are suggesting where you are matched with similar skill players would not let you have an above. 2.0 K/D or even 1.5, also it should not let me get three 5 kill streaks in the same match. A good match is where the teams are no more than 10 kills apart or great at 5 kills apart when done. I know this is an opinion but if you are playing with similar skill opponents it should be true.
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> Player skill fluctuates one game you might do amazing next not so much even pros have bad days it would be impossible to match you with people depending on good game or bad game it’s your general skill level based on consistency so your comments kinda invalid

I don’t think so, I know player skill may fluctuate (also the game can lag) but the overall skill should not fluctuate for all people on your team to the extent it seems to be doing in this game, otherwise what is the point of those ranks; beside saying ‘I am Onyx rank and I am really good’ (BTW: I am not Onyx and I know I am not good so don’t bother pointing it out).
“it would be impossible to match you” - No it would not if actual skill is used or if the ranking system is any good.
I don’t know what the odds are on all 4 players on your team having a bad game or the likelihood that the opposing team having a good game at the same time but I think they might be unlikely in a actual skill based system.

I think people are missing the OP’s main point. People have been all over the forums complaining about not having Social Playlists and then following it up with, “I wish I could just go in a game and kill noobs without going against tryhards”. The OP’s main point, or what I took away from it at least, is that a Social Playlist is a great idea for reasons a, b, and c but not for the reasons a lot of people are bringing up on the forums.

No one read OP’s whole post otherwise that would be absurdly clear.