This is probably a stupid question, but I’ve read both Cryptum and Primordium and I’m not sure which Didact is in Halo 4. Is it the Ur Didact or Bornstellar?
I’d say the Ur-Didact, not Bornstellar. Bornstellar had quite the fondness for humans, I can’t imagine him acting like this Didact.
That’s what I was thinking as well, but I’ve seen a lot of people refer to the Didact in Halo 4 as Bornstellar so I’m not really sure.
Can anybody explain the timeline (I got through part of Cryptum)? I thought Chakas and Riser woke him in the book, but it seems like Chief woke him on Requiem?
It’s said in the book that he’s executed by another Forerunner, but nothing confirms this. Chakas and Riser did wake him up, seems he went to sleep again.
I tend to lean towards the Bornestellar one being in Halo 4. My only real reasoning is maybe some side effect of the mutation eventually made him go nuts (a form of Rampancy if you wish).
Neither variant came across to me with the level of animosity of the one seen in the game.
It has to be Bornstellar. Halfway through the terminals the didact gains a finger and also talks about his new form. They also tell of how the librarian locked him away on requiem just before halo is fired. I’m guessing silentium will explain how the Ur-didact returned from the flood infested system that Faber dumped him into realise that his shield world solution has failed, made the halo 3 terminal conversations with the librarian and then fired halo and thus died from its effect, all while Bornstellar-didact is fast asleep on requiem waiting for master chief to release him in halo 4
> It’s said in the book that he’s executed by another Forerunner, but nothing confirms this. Chakas and Riser did wake him up, seems he went to sleep again.
Silentium suggests he didn’t actually get executed.
The Didact in halo 4, whichever one he is, was likely put to sleep some time during the events of the next novel.
I believe the Halo 4 version is the original Didact.
The Bornstellar version (so far) has not shown this massive amount of distaste for Humans. I also believe the Bornstellar version is the one who activates the Halo Array and has the conversations with the Librarian in the Halo 3 terminals. If you pay attention to the H4 terminals and campaign, that Didact shows some anger towards the Librarian. (they did not get along too well) It isn’t really the same type of relationship portrayed in the Halo 3 terminals.
Also, if I’m not mistaken, the H4 terminals would contradict(unless I misunderstood the new terminals) the H3 terminals. How could the H4 Didact be the same Didact that set off the Array if he was put into the Cryptum by the Librarian? That problem is easily solved if the original is the one imprisoned by the Librarian and the Bornstellar version is the one that set off the Halos.
Evidence suggests the Ur-Didact.
My bet is on Bornstellar, his appearance in general lines up with Bornstellars own appearance. The Ur-Didact would not of known his memories would eventually push Bornstellar to the edge and make him believe he himself had lived through the War with Humanity, lose of his children.
It seemed like this Didact was confused, yet so desperate for redemption that he sought to continue using the Composer as a weapon to create more monsters, servants. Even though the threat of the Flood from ages past is gone. I think the Didact in general believed they would return very soon, he felt Humanity was to weak to defeat them I believe so he wanted to continue his work before his Exile to Requiem.
Thats my opinion atleast, I am pretty certain that the Didact we see is Bornstellar. I feel the Ur-Didact is the one who was rescued, created Offensive Bias and activated the Halo Array after the events that occurred on Requiem.
The way the Libarian looked at the Didact, and how she seemed to feel distant from him in my opinion proves it was Bornstellar. Perhaps the lose of Chakas and others who lost their own biological form was a breaking point in some way after his final conversation with the Primordial.
> My bet is on Bornstellar, his appearance in general lines up with Bornstellars own appearance. The Ur-Didact would not of known his memories would eventually push Bornstellar to the edge and make him believe he himself had lived through the War with Humanity, lose of his children.
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> It seemed like this Didact was confused, yet so desperate for redemption that he sought to continue using the Composer as a weapon to create more monsters, servants. Even though the threat of the Flood from ages past is gone. I think the Didact in general believed they would return very soon, he felt Humanity was to weak to defeat them I believe so he wanted to continue his work before his Exile to Requiem.
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> Thats my opinion atleast, I am pretty certain that the Didact we see is Bornstellar. I feel the Ur-Didact is the one who was rescued, created Offensive Bias and activated the Halo Array after the events that occurred on Requiem.
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> The way the Libarian looked at the Didact, and how she seemed to feel distant from him in my opinion proves it was Bornstellar. Perhaps the lose of Chakas and others who lost their own biological form was a breaking point in some way after his final conversation with the Primordial.
This ^
Plus the Ur-Didact is said to have been exicuted by Faber after he was captured.
And we still have one more book to go, alot can happen in one book.
> > My bet is on Bornstellar, his appearance in general lines up with Bornstellars own appearance. The Ur-Didact would not of known his memories would eventually push Bornstellar to the edge and make him believe he himself had lived through the War with Humanity, lose of his children.
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> > It seemed like this Didact was confused, yet so desperate for redemption that he sought to continue using the Composer as a weapon to create more monsters, servants. Even though the threat of the Flood from ages past is gone. I think the Didact in general believed they would return very soon, he felt Humanity was to weak to defeat them I believe so he wanted to continue his work before his Exile to Requiem.
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> > Thats my opinion atleast, I am pretty certain that the Didact we see is Bornstellar. I feel the Ur-Didact is the one who was rescued, created Offensive Bias and activated the Halo Array after the events that occurred on Requiem.
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> > The way the Libarian looked at the Didact, and how she seemed to feel distant from him in my opinion proves it was Bornstellar. Perhaps the lose of Chakas and others who lost their own biological form was a breaking point in some way after his final conversation with the Primordial.
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> This ^
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> Plus the Ur-Didact is said to have been exicuted by Faber after he was captured.
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> And we still have one more book to go, alot can happen in one book.
Yes …and the new book, the one that coined the term Ur-Didact…says he’s alive in the brief description w have…
I’m almost 100% sure its the Ur-Didact. Not only is it him but his hatred for humans has been amplified after using the composer on himself. During the Librarians cut scene she tells how the Didact used it on himself and transformed himself (evident because they show him pre Composer talking with the Librarian- either in that scene or the terminals ) and she states that when they used the Composer the personalities were fractured and corrupted, and when they attempted to return them to biological form the results were abominations.
It will all tie in, they consulted Greg Bear when making the game and he wrote the Forerunner saga. I’m pretty sure Silentium will tell you how the Ur-Didact uses the composer and creates the Promethean Knights. Halo 4 kind of gave you the results of Silentium… here’s the excerpt from Silentium from amazon. … pretty big clue if you ask me.
> In the last years of the Forerunner empire, chaos rules. The Flood has arrived in force, aided by an unexpected ally. Internal strife within the ecumene has desperately weakened Forerunner defenses.
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> Too little, too late, the legal rate of Juridicals is only now investigating possible crimes by the Master Builder and others. Evidence-gathering agents known collectively as Catalog have been dispatched to collect testimony from the Librarian and both Didacts: the Ur-Didact, treacherously abandoned in a Flood-infested system, and the Bornstellar Didact, who accompanies the Librarian as she preserves specimens against the dire possibility of Halo extermination.
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> Facing the imminent collapse of their civilization, the Librarian and the Ur-Didact reveal what they know about the relationship between the long-vanished Precursors and the Flood.
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> The Precursors created many technological species, including humanity and the Forerunners. But the roots of the Flood may be found in an act of enormous barbarity, carried out beyond our galaxy ten million years before…
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> Because of that barbarism, a greater evil looms. Only the Ur-Didact and the Librarian—husband and wife pushed into desperate conflict—hold the keys to a solution.
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> Facing the consequences of a mythic tragedy, one of them must now commit the greatest atrocity of all time—to prevent an insane evil from dominating the entire universe.
Very true, I feel Silentium will end up shedding a lot of light on everything, and also what the true Ancient Evil is.
Its hinted at in the terminals that the Halo 4 Didact worked with Faber in some capacity to create the Prometheans from both his own Warrior Servants and the Humans gathered from the Halo Installation. I really doubt the Ur-Didact after being stranded in a Flood infested star system by Faber would end up working with him to create such weapons, monsters, from their own people and defenseless Humans.
The first Didact we see appear in the terminals has completely different armor design and appearance, suggesting he is indeed the Original Didact and husband of the Libarian, father of fallen children. But you have to remember Bornstellar would also have the same memories, and begin to believe he was actually the Ur-Didact.
He even says in this form I cant resist Flood infection, suggesting he has already been infected or is completely afraid of the idea of becoming infected. This suggests the Primordial has some influence over his actions and desperation.
If you look it says
> Only the Ur-Didact and the Librarian—husband and wife pushed into desperate conflict—hold the keys to a solution.
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> Facing the consequences of a mythic tragedy, one of them must now commit the greatest atrocity of all time—to prevent an insane evil from dominating the entire universe.
So the Ur-Didact was the one in conflict with the Librarian… which she describes in her scene. Hence my reasoning to think the Ur-Didact uses the composer on himself, Composes Humanity into Knights, and is locked in a Cryptum on Requiem. Now what happens to the Born stellar Didact… that’s the question… but I’m fairly sure the Didact in Halo 4 is the Ur-Didact.
I am so ready for Silentium to be released honestly, not only for the Didacts story but also to learn for a fact what the Ancient Evil/Insane Evil actually is. I also want to know if the Composer itself has been around longer than we think and could possibly still be out there and not destroyed in the events of Halo 4.
Is it possible the Composer itself is responsible for the creation of the Flood in the beginning?
I think the Didact in Halo 4 is the Ur version. Born Stellar will most likely show up in the new trilogy as an ally to the humans and will help stop he ancient evil.
> Very true, I feel Silentium will end up shedding a lot of light on everything, and also what the true Ancient Evil is.
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> Its hinted at in the terminals that the Halo 4 Didact worked with Faber in some capacity to create the Prometheans from both his own Warrior Servants and the Humans gathered from the Halo Installation. I really doubt the Ur-Didact after being stranded in a Flood infested star system by Faber would end up working with him to create such weapons, monsters, from their own people and defenseless Humans.
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> The first Didact we see appear in the terminals has completely different armor design and appearance, suggesting he is indeed the Original Didact and husband of the Libarian, father of fallen children. But you have to remember Bornstellar would also have the same memories, and begin to believe he was actually the Ur-Didact.
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> He even says in this form I cant resist Flood infection, suggesting he has already been infected or is completely afraid of the idea of becoming infected. This suggests the Primordial has some influence over his actions and desperation.
Everyone is completely forgetting that his " change" in appearance in Halo 4 is due to using the Composer on himself in an attempt to be non-infectable by the flood. He says that he “can’t resist the flood” AFTER hr does this and takes a new form. The vriw of him in the earlier scenes are from BEFORE he uses the Composer… NO WHERE does it say anything about the Born stellar Didact. I think that in Silentium the Ur-Didact will be in conflict with the Librarian (already stated as fact) and that “something” will happen to the Born stellar Didact. The Ur-Didact, all evidence points to him, is the one on Requiem that “must not be awakened”. He went bat -Yoink- crazy after the Composer and wants to enslave all Humanity. I think this, along with using the composer on himself, is the “ultimate atrocity” .
Personally I think the Flood were created by the Precursers. The Librarian tells of the abominations created by the Composer, but this is after the humans have already begun running from the flood.The composer was to be a solution, but it didn’t work. Its is a possibility that it was created by the Precurser and the Composer actually created the flood, but if that was he case than the Forerunners would have known about it LONG before the Humans showed up and started the war. The Librarian even states that they knew nothing about the other enemy that the Humans faced until it was too late.
I’m thinking that the Flood was created by Precursers when they fled the system and that the Precursers are still out there. They are the only their 0 species and can leave the galaxy, which they did during the Forerunner-Precurser war.
Its Bornstellar Didact, most likely.
Cryptum and Primordium take place before Didact loses the plot. That’s why he’s not “evil” in those books.
The Didact is in fact measured and reasonable up until something sparks a change in him. I think he held some resentment of humans, but I think the hatred for humanity he developed was a result of the Primordial’s words, more than anything else.
The Primordial pretty much told Didact that the Flood did the Precursor’s bidding (“there is no difference”, and that the humans had been spared on the Precursor’s say so.
Now, Didact would not immediately believe this, but as the Forerunners were losing the war against the Flood, the horrific possibility that the Primordial was telling the truth.
Notice that he blames humans for the Flood, an attitude that would stem from the Primordial’s claim. As the war worsens, the Primordial’s taunts get louder.
So these fears and thoughts play on Didact’s mind:
- The Forerunners will be annihilated by the Flood.
- Humanity will claim the Mantle. The Didact believed only the Forerunners could hold the Mantle; the notion of the Forerunners losing it was probably worse to him than being consumed by the Flood.
- The Humans did the Precursor’s dirty work by bringing the Flood into Forerunner space. He sees this race, which murdered his children, survive while his people are wiped out by the Flood.
- The prospect of the Precursors’ revenge coming to fruition.