…at long range? Let me show you the in game description.
> “Utilizes precise, three-round burst functionality, making it a formidable mid-range, semi-automatic weapon.”
what? ok
> Um yes, we already knew this.
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> The problem is it sucks at medium range as well.
I fail to see how kill times overall show how effective a weapon is at it’s suggested range.
So what? I have never seen someone here saying “make BR good at long range”. People are saying “balance the DMR”. And the DMR right now has two big advantages: It beats the BR and every other mid range weapon, AND it is good on long range. Two advantages the other guns don’t have. SO teh DMR is, right now in its current state, not balanaced. It shoots faster than a BR and LR and is stronger than a Carbine. And it’s also more accurate than a carbine.
Are you trying to be an smartass over here, or what? I guess people here know how to use a BR.
> > Um yes, we already knew this.
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> > The problem is it sucks at medium range as well.
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> I fail to see how kill times overall show how effective a weapon is at it’s suggested range.
Maybe with automatic weapons, but the DMR is pretty damn accurate at all ranges. You are delusional if you think it doesn’t beat or match the BR at medium range.
Effectiveness relative to other guns is poor.
> Um yes, we already knew this.
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> The problem is it sucks at medium range as well.
That Thread is amazing, thank you for sharing.
(Not sarcasm, BTW)
> So what? I have never seen someone here saying “make BR good at long range”. People are saying “balance the DMR”. And the DMR right now has two big advantages: It beats the BR and every other mid range weapon, AND it is good on long range. Two advantages the other guns don’t have. SO teh DMR is, right now in its current state, not balanaced.
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> Are you trying to be an smartass over here, or what?
I’ve seen people complaining about the BR not being as powerful as it was in Halo 3, at all ranges.
> > > Um yes, we already knew this.
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> > > The problem is it sucks at medium range as well.
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> > I fail to see how kill times overall show how effective a weapon is at it’s suggested range.
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> Maybe with automatic weapons, but the DMR is pretty damn accurate at all ranges. You are delusional if you think it doesn’t beat or match the BR at medium range.
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> Effectiveness relative to other guns is poor.
Most people using the BR at mid-range have terrible aim (that I’ve played with).
> So what? I have never seen someone here saying “make BR good at long range”. People are saying “balance the DMR”. And the DMR right now has two big advantages: It beats the BR and every other mid range weapon, AND it is good on long range. Two advantages the other guns don’t have. SO teh DMR is, right now in its current state, not balanaced. It shoots faster than a BR and LR and is stronger than a Carbine. And it’s also more accurate than a carbine.
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> Are you trying to be an smartass over here, or what? I guess people here know how to use a BR.
You forgot massive BM, ROF and a huge clip size.
> > > > Um yes, we already knew this.
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> > > > The problem is it sucks at medium range as well.
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> > > I fail to see how kill times overall show how effective a weapon is at it’s suggested range.
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> > Maybe with automatic weapons, but the DMR is pretty damn accurate at all ranges. You are delusional if you think it doesn’t beat or match the BR at medium range.
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> > Effectiveness relative to other guns is poor.
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> Most people using the BR at mid-range have terrible aim (that I’ve played with).
That doesn’t even -Yoinking!- matter. It is completely irrelevant to the balance of the weapon.
The FACTS are what matters, and fact is if two equally skilled opponents go up against each other, the DMR wins. It arguably even wins against the Lightrifle due to how much flinch and aim assist it has.
It’s blatantly overpowered. There’s no argument about it. -Yoink-, even someone who has played Halo 4 for five minutes should notice it.
> I’ve seen people complaining about the BR not being as powerful as it was in Halo 3, at all ranges.
The BR was even worse in Halo 3 at long range, so I don’t understand that argument.
@Madman
Well, sorry, then.
People who want a Halo 2/3 BR back should be ignored the same way how people claim the DMR in Halo 4 is balanced. Since there are loadout guns and classes now, a BR should totally lose to an automatic rifle in CQC or to a rifle which is designed for long range fights (like the Lightrifle in scoped mode), otherwise 343 can simply trash all the guns again, except for the BR, and we are back in the stone age when we all played Halo 2 and “balance” in this game was something the devs didn’t know.
For the first time a Halo game (yeah, Reachs DMR was too universal as well) actually has the potential to have balanced weapons. For the actual Halo 4 BR: it’s fine the way it is.
> So what? I have never seen someone here saying “make BR good at long range”. People are saying “balance the DMR”. And the DMR right now has two big advantages: It beats the BR and every other mid range weapon, AND it is good on long range. Two advantages the other guns don’t have. SO teh DMR is, right now in its current state, not balanaced. It shoots faster than a BR and LR and is stronger than a Carbine. And it’s also more accurate than a carbine.
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> Are you trying to be an smartass over here, or what? I guess people here know how to use a BR.
The DMR is balanced. Use it at mid to long range. BR use at mid to low range.
The only thing that needs changing is our own Combat Tactics. Example.
You kill a person with a BR, and they spawn with a DMR and take you out. What do you respawn with? certainly not another BR. But if you did, then why are you complaining?
> People who want a Halo 3 BR back should be ignored the same way how people claim the DMR in Halo 4 is balanced. Since there are loadout guns and classes now, a BR should totally lose to an automatic rifle in CQC or to a rifle which is designed for long range fights (like the Lightrifle in scoped mode), otherwise 343 can simply trash all the guns except for the BR and we are back in the stone age when we all played Halo 2 and “balance” in this game was something the devs didn’t know.
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> For the first time a Halo game (yeah, Reachs DMR was too universal as well) actually has the potential to have balanced weapons. For the actual Halo 4 BR: it’s fine the way it is.
If they nerf the bullet magnetism on the Halo 4 DMR, I don’t think it’ll change much, in game or on these forums.
But yeah, I love knowing I can counter everything with load outs.
The DMR dominates at all ranges.
> The DMR is balanced. Use it at mid to long range. BR use at mid to low range.
Why are people incapable of reading?
The DMR beats the BR at medium range and long range. It beats it at close range as well.
It is equally as accurate at close-medium range, and more accurate at long range, with a vastly superior killtime regardless of range.
It’s not an opinion. It is statistically overpowered.
Why is this so hard for you people?
Do you guys know why the Lightrifle does less damage when unscoped? So it doesn’t dominate at all ranges. The DMR has no such feature.
> > So what? I have never seen someone here saying “make BR good at long range”. People are saying “balance the DMR”. And the DMR right now has two big advantages: It beats the BR and every other mid range weapon, AND it is good on long range. Two advantages the other guns don’t have. SO teh DMR is, right now in its current state, not balanaced. It shoots faster than a BR and LR and is stronger than a Carbine. And it’s also more accurate than a carbine.
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> > Are you trying to be an smartass over here, or what? I guess people here know how to use a BR.
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> The DMR is balanced. Use it at mid to long range. BR use at mid to low range.
> The only thing that needs changing is our own Combat Tactics. Example.
> You kill a person with a BR, and they spawn with a DMR and take you out. What do you respawn with? certainly not another BR. But if you did, then why are you complaining?
The thing is, DMR > all.
So there’s no need to switch out. Saying that it’s only efficient at mid-long range combat is a lie. It works very well at all ranges.
> > So what? I have never seen someone here saying “make BR good at long range”. People are saying “balance the DMR”. And the DMR right now has two big advantages: It beats the BR and every other mid range weapon, AND it is good on long range. Two advantages the other guns don’t have. SO teh DMR is, right now in its current state, not balanaced. It shoots faster than a BR and LR and is stronger than a Carbine. And it’s also more accurate than a carbine.
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> > Are you trying to be an smartass over here, or what? I guess people here know how to use a BR.
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> The DMR is balanced. Use it at mid to long range. BR use at mid to low range.
> The only thing that needs changing is our own Combat Tactics. Example.
> You kill a person with a BR, and they spawn with a DMR and take you out. What do you respawn with? certainly not another BR. But if you did, then why are you complaining?
That doesn’t make sense. BR is designed for mid range. Why should I use a BR for close range(!) encounters. This would also mean I can kill AR users with it in CQC, which certainly is not the case unless the AR user has horrible aim.
And the DMR is just as effective on mid range as on long range. The DMR can kill a BR user slightly faster if he can make every hit count (which is not too hard with that nearly 0% bloom, especially not in mid range encounters), which is NOT balanced. DMR is a gun designed for long range because of it’s high precision and single shot. So chances for winning a mid range BR fight should be veeeeery low to make the gun an actual long rage rifle. But no. That’s simply not the case unless the DMR user is inexperienced. I’s beyond me how peopel can’t see that the DMR has TWO(!) big advantages, because of it’s power compared to nearly non existend bloom and firing speed.
If the DMR is balanced we better push the Lightrifles unscoped damage as well, and the Carbines of course, too. Because the LR sucks at CQC and the Carbine on long range sarcasm
Let’s just pretend the DMR is balanced and buff every other headhsot gun so we have AGAIN, tons of pointless weapons and with it another Halo 2 or Halo 3.
> I’ve seen people complaining about the BR not being as powerful as it was in Halo 3, at all ranges.
The only version of the Battle rifle that was good at all ranges was the Halo 2 Battle Rifle the Halo 3 BR was garbage at long ranges.
> Um yes, we already knew this.
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> The problem is it sucks at medium range as well.
Wow I never really had the chance to look at that thread fully but when I look at the stat sheets the Halo 4 BR has been nerfed in pretty much every category when you compare it to the Halo 2/3 BR stats.
I love how most of the Halo 4 forum is a circle jerk-fest.
and all threads go back to the DMR.