So to continue on with the overwhelming general opinion on sbmm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v= hxMo5x8wQ7k

This is Mintblitz most recent video. He is one of the very last Halo Youtubers still uploading content for Infinite. Even he is complaining about sbmm ruining the game. I expect the deniers to flood his comment section and scolding him for “taking away the fun from players and trying to stomp them”. Its even more sad when he says he can’t even find games anymore and has to resort to MCC to make content now. In the video he claimed to be streaming for 2 hours and couldn’t find a single match to play in any playlist.

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It’s the only thing that matters. Not that rank that’s on your screen. That’s just for show You could be an Onyx stuck in Gold or Vice Versa. That’s why you should only play for KD.

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OMG, the situation is even worse than i expected. Strict sbmm even in social gamemodes
With the population getting lower and lower, why would they do this? It’s only going to worsen ping and wait time

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But guyssss this is a good thing you guys just want to stomp people

I’m legit convinced someone is trying to sabotage the game

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Wait it just dawned on me they are making the challenges where you have to win games harder

Are they seriously trying to get people to buy crappy challenge swaps?

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Ok, interesting.

Have they seriously made sbmm strict in BTB now too? Who is leading the community side of 343, and are they completely incompetent?

Out of the dozens of threads on their official forums over the last few months saying how stressful the game is and complaining about strict sbmm, 343 have somehow construed that feedback as the community wanting strict sbmm applied to BTB, the only safe haven from it in this game. At this point they either just don’t look at their forums at all, or they looked at them and decided to ignore the community and go off and do their own thing. Poor show.

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How is it harder?

Putting all the other pros and cons of SBMM aside - having a 50:50 win rate for everyone would be more likely to decrease the market for challenge swaps (in this instance).

Its not a 50/50 win rate people have listed many times they feel like they have to sweat and carry people before hell mint even mentions it himself

Also combined with the fact the game tends to put people in high ping games

Whatever is causing this needs to be fixed. I don’t know if it’s SBMM, or some other issue. Objectively, there’s a problem.

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Agreed
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KD has always been the driving force and it’s super increased now with the SBMM.

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Having to “carry” and/or “sweat” (whatever that means) doesn’t necessarily predict the result. You can do both and still lose.

Which is frustrating.

There’s a balance somewhere.

And after copping a couple of 200ms+ games on the weekend… it’s frustrating.

I don’t see why we don’t have sliders to tell match-making what we want. Set our own limits for skill range and tolerable ping. I would happily set mine for strict SBMM and pings out to 150ms (I actually feel the netcode is reasonable sans the desync). And if there are no games available in those ranges… so be it.

Laggy matches are -yoink-. Unfair matches are even more -yoink-.

Players could then squad up with whoever they want… because their opponents would come from a pool who have nominated that they don’t care.

I don’t think I’m necessarily pro-SBMM. I’m more vehemently anti-random BMM (uneven matches are anti-fun). I’d be all in for any options that improved connection. Which is why I think 343 really need to look at different games and/or formats (eg. handicapped based scoring) to allow them to focus on prioritising connection.

And it very much makes me not want to play - and people can check my stats! I’m not a bad playet! Perhaps quite average for my elo, but I’m Diamond - I am very much not bad.

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I’m mind blown by this decision. I really am. Infinite’s down on the ground, and 343’s really kicking it further with stupid choices like this.

Who the HECK is making such choices? Can someone at 343 PLEASE explain what’s going on in their decision making?

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Many how dare you question 343 on their decision making! They decide everything by themselves, the skill range, the ping range, everyhting. They have tons of data! It’s obvious they know what’s better for you better than you! /s

Your sliders suggestion is actually better than just server selection. It would be a semi personalized form of engagement optimized matchmaking, which is the future ( implementing it correctly is another matter)
But everyone has different tastes. There can’t be the same matchmaker settings for everyone

The halo 5 settings about this were very unbalanced: the “focused” settings were trying to be strict about both connection and skill and the “expanded” settings were trying to be loose about both connection and skill again. We need at least 3 option for both skill and connection or a slider

Since you like handicaps i’ve been thinking about this system, an inverse handicap: The higher your ping is while searching for a server, the lower your MMR becomes. For example, your normal mmr is 1700, but let’s sat you are forced to play on 200 ping servers. Well your MMR during the search should be lowered to 1600 maybe (the numbers can change of course). This would give you SLIGHTLY easier matches to compensate for your high ping

Btb is practically unplayable tonight. Matching against teams, unkillable ghosts and wasps, complete bots for teammates, it’s STILL AR STARTS, the works. It’s toxic

I went NEGATIVE. I’m so angry

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I don’t think an skill-slider will work. (some of) the top players might want to set it broader, but the players they then would possibly encounter will not broader them or after a number of matches reduce them, so then you might set it broader, but non of the players in that broader range want you, so you are then still stuck at the closer range.

I think the best thing would be to let the search engine do it itself. It first tries to match you with people very close to your skill, after 10-15 seconds and not enough players in that range it broadens the search range a bit, and even more after another 10-15 seconds, etc. untill it has found enough players for a match.
I think that is also how halo 3 did it.

And i think it would work, why? I 'd be setting it to loose skill. If everyone really preferred to put it on strict skill, i wouldn’t be able to find a game in a timely manner ( i can wait even for 5-6 minutes, it’s not a problem)
so i’d have to make it balanced skill and strict skill progressively
Let people decide themselves that they had enough searching for a game, your ranges don’t work. 10-15 seconds is way too little, especially with the low population infinite has now

Even if i couldn’t find a match on loose sbmm, my connection slider would always prioritize the connection. I’d rather not be able to find a match i don’t like instead of playing laggy matches with strict sbmm

Everyone would be able to decide for themselves. Letting an algorithm decide for you is a bad idea

Feels like all the algorithms are made by someone who doesn’t actually play the game. They never seem to get anything right first time round and it just comes off as unwarranted cockiness

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