I don’t see what’s obviously shifty, the language used checks out.
Yes lol.
Seems a little weird that 343 would specify the purchase of former BP’s if they had intended to just let players go back and complete them for free.
Which is what they meant, which is why they didn’t say in that blurb that “the free track would be available to all players after the season ends”, and later specified that it in fact wouldn’t be.
So take them to court and file a class action lawsuit if it’s that much of a slam dunk.
If you’re that confident in your case, the settlement should be more than enough to offset the initial cost of a lawsuit.
Never asked for compensation, but if I did surely there’s something you could quote to prove me wrong?
Also my argument boiled down is:
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343 made vague statements with specific vocabulary that isn’t contradictory to newer statements made.
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Players who speculated otherwise have no one to get upset at but themselves for creating a potential but ultimately incorrect narrative in their head based on vague statement, but would rather project their anger rather than face the reality they were incorrect in their assumptions
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343 continues to make vague statements and half truths that enables this cycle of player speculation, which could be avoided if they just came out and stated their intentions and mechanics in full.
If they make half truths that suggest one thing then they pull pit an uno reverse and say “Ah ah ah… we never said that, we merely suggested” that’s still yoinking lie. Especially when you can infer the alternative with much more support then the contrary.
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Here’s the problem though.
You’re insinuating that 343 has made vague statements that suggest something specifically then reneged on it with ‘clarification’ down the line, when in reality they made vague statements that could be interpreted in a variety of ways and get expounded later on in a manner consistent with the original statement.
At worst they’re omitting info consistent with the vague statement, not reversing course on it.
I’m not going to make the claim that my side or your side or any other side has the greater claim here, I’ve seen as much support for you claim as I have seen for mine from initial interpretation of the original statement across the community.
I can infer a variety of alternatives from that initial standpoint, doesn’t make it any less subjective until objective truth verifies/refutes the interpretation. In this case my initial interpretation was the correct one and yours was incorrect, to suggest that you couldn’t reach my conclusion is overtly unreasonable when I can easily see how you may have come to your own.
Im glad someone made this thread, i just finished a game where i was getting shot from people that werent there, when i respawned it kept respawning me having that animation for literally 45 seconds, and no im ar the menu it refuses to load anything just the little circle saying its loading…why make a game at all if you touch the code you break it…343 needs to literally give the franchise up…literally!
L after L after L…like… incompetance is at its highest… only person thats good there is Joe at the moment… like thos is rediculous freaking pretty much 7 years this game struggling just to work…like really? What are yall doing there?..
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I dont have the black eye or blind skull unlocked, and they’re activated on all 3 of my saves. I can’t turn them off either and I’m livid. At least 200 hours down the drain because they don’t know how to push an update
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Haven’t had any lag yet but thats just me
My biggest issue with the game is unable to play with a party in rumble pit. Like who cares if there are people out there that will boost the battlepass by teaming up in ffa or whatever. They bought it as well they can do what they want with the product, the lacking of player choice in what to play and who they can play with is sad.
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They said you could “always go back and purchase any prior Battle Pass as well”
The “as well” implies that, not only could you go back and continue progressing past battle passes, but you can also purchase the premium ones if you didn’t already. There is nothing stating that this feature was restricted to buying the premium pass. At best, it was up to interpretation, and in my opinion it was phrased deliberately to give the impression that it would work with or without the premium pass.
I mean, the opening sentence literally says “all Battle Passes will be permanent.” It doesn’t say “All Premium Battle Passes will be permanent.” And especially with all the other shady and manipulative tactics 343 has been using the squeeze money from people and promise things without delivering, I have no trust at all that this wasn’t deliberate.
343 clearly doesn’t care at this point. They could have had something rather good in Infinite but the whole thing is run through live model so it automatically crap
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Disagree away, no problem.
And I’m not disputing a profit motive- obviously, as with every Halo game since CE, Infinite is a product, designed to make money first and foremost. The idea that a profit motive would encourage 343 to run with ideas that they knew would be patently “terrible and stupid” (unsuccessful) doesn’t make a lick of sense to me, though. Bungie had just as much of a profit motive (admittedly, in a different time and under very different market dynamics) and made the best Halo games ever.
I try not to attribute to malintent what is more likely due to incompetence. 343 has shown for the past decade that they have a very hard time creating a product that doesn’t create a lot of controversy around it amidst Halo fans. I think that’s been due to a lot of different things for each of the Halo titles they’ve developed, and most of 'em do boil down to just plain misguided ideas.
From the start, it’s my stalwart opinion that 343 has only ever intended to make Halo better than ever. They’ve spent a lot of time trying to fix things that most series fans don’t consider to have been broken ever since H4, and Infinite’s Battle Pass and “Progression system” (such as it is) are just one more example in a very long list. It was designed with success and the betterment of the game in mind, just like Spartan Ops, Warzone, et al. were before. It was just a misguided idea and inevitably wasn’t popular with many fans.
343i has consistently thought they knew better than to bring back beloved modes/features/etc, opting instead to try introducing “new, better” ones. Yes, obviously, with the goal of improving profitability. But they’d hardly do that if they knew for certain that their replacement elements were terrible ideas.
Just my two cents. The popular narrative that “343i HATES Halo and are RUINING it on PURPOSE” just doesn’t hold water. The truth, IMO, is way more tragic: 343i loves Halo but have been ruining it by accident for a decade.
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1 and 2: you expect me to stop complaining about it when they still haven’t fixed it, and have continued to delay it farther and farther? I’ll be happily surprised if they even live up to this latest set of target dates
3: I mean, you can doubt whatever the heck you want; doesn’t change that I do in fact work in game development and while, yes, any feature in a AAA game is time-consuming, on a comparative level, it is very easy. Far better progressions system have been created in less time, by studios with smaller budgets, and more work to do. So, as features in a game go, the progression system is on the easy side; this doesn’t mean that any random Joe could do it in a day, just that the fact that a AAA studio failed so miserably at it shows how little they tried.
4: Oh I agree, some people did ask for that. Though, on the flipside, most of those people also asked to be able to turn on forced player colors so the game could look the way it always used to, which is not in yet and has not been confirmed to be in development, as far as I know. And, there were lots of others who, like myself, wanted to be able to increase the clarity of the outlines too, which they neglected to add even though it would be a small amount of work to do so (again, relatively speaking).
5: You realize these are separate teams, right? Developing one feature doesn’t mean you stop developing another; there’s not only one priority queue, there are many. Evidently they were able put in the work to make the minor feature, since it exists, yet they neglected to add a simple beneficial option to it; thus I’m complaining about that team’s work. They also have failed to finish critical game features, thus I’m complaining about those team’s work as well.
6: True, it is different, but they didn’t just say it was gonna be different. They said, quite explicitly and on numerous occasions, how it was going to work, and didn’t deliver that. I don’t deny, they did make an improvement over other games’ (like Apex for example) system that is so time-sensitive, but its still a massive slap in the face to promise a complete improvement over the norm and then deliver a half-hearted one.
MP overview, last october, 8mins into the vodeo, battle pass/season overview.
Explicitly states that thebpurchased track does not expire and prior seasons can be accessed via the paid route. The free content never lasted more than the season.
Not sure how so many people missed that at the time.
But its there clear as day.
@Blizzarus “and what that means is once you buy it its yours and never goes away.”
Taking partial data sets only sets you up to look disingenuous.
The language was clear. The issue is most just echoed headlines from “gaming journalists” abiut proconsumer pratices and 343is transparancy i stead of doing the slightest amount of critical thinking and swept away all of the clear indicators of how it was gonna work under the hype rug.
Wish people would see a teachable moment and take away a lesson rather than complain when its far too late.
343i is a company, the use marketing rhetoric. Its down to us to make it intelligable and clear and respond accordingly.