Which Battlepass was given out for free or was stated to have been given out for free?
343i has a long running consistency of being vague, and the wording could’ve been better there’s no doubt.
However the wording is conflicting when it comes to the manner in which you’re interpreting it. Why would they specifically state the allowance for the purchase of previous BP’s if they were meant to be free according to the way you’re suggesting it does?
Its very hard to take anything 343 says as truth when 2-3 months later what they said has switched up due to them being intentionally vague on the details of said thing
What switched up?
“Vague” is the lack of details, later details fill in the gaps of vague statements as long as they correlate and don’t contradict.
If what they stated originally and what was stated recently contradicts the narratives, it should be simple to point out where the narrative flip flopped.
So far I’ve seen interpretations of vague statements that ultimately didn’t work out in the way that was initially interpreted. If you roll a d6 and we both pick a 2 and a 4 due to the possibility of the dice rolling a 2 or 4 based on the context of the dice’s probability, and the number ends up being 3, then we’re both incorrect in our interpretation of the objective truth set in front of us that was predicated but ultimately incorrect. If it rolled a 7 though, then we should be upset because that wasn’t part of the context.
There’s no use getting upset about an incorrect predictive interpretation of what was stated when the details fall in line with what was stated (which is currently the case) but if the rules changed that contradict the initial statement (which is not the case in this context) then it’s a valid reason to be upset.
Switched up might have been the wrong term to use, i more mean the expectations set by them themselves switch up and thats what frustrates players.
IE 343 says CO-OP is coming season two, then come a few months later BLAM its been delayed
343 says youll never be confused about where to obtain items BLAM people now spend their time debating if items are store locked or not
343 says coatings arnt monetized colours and that itll make customization better BLAM its the most hated feature ever and most coatings sold are basic colour pallets and default colours for different cores.
Most of what 343 says could at best be attributed to half truths, while yes they are not technically lying straight to your face they omit details that they believe could cause uproar.
Can we still hold them account for making false promises given how they typically use vague descriptives to sell a product on a bunch of half truths and “kindas” ?
its not healthy.
+1 Can we get this as the “official” slogan for S2 please.
Isn’t it still on track to be released season 2?
I don’t recall it being delayed till season 3, but I could be wrong.
Do you have a quote or citation on this?
I know there’s confusion currently surrounding “vaulted” gear, but deductive reasoning suggests that it’s a semantics issue.
Again do you have a quote of this exact statement? Or is this an interpretive paraphrase?
If there’s one other consistency to all this it’s that a lot of the playerbase misremembers/misquotes/paraphrases quotes from the Devs in ways that paint them as liars, when at worst the reality is just vague statements.
Also I know it’s a controversial feature, but what “default colours” or “basic colour pallets” have been sold and what makes them “default” or “basic”? Specific names please.
Also another misdirection that’s commonly parroted is that armor coatings are sold separately for different cores which has verbatim not been the case. There isn’t a single example of an armor coating that has been sold separately from another armor coating for various cores (yet), all copies of armor coatings for various cores have been sold within a bundle.
I think this is a jump to conclusions interpreting the nature of “vague” or “half-truth” statements.
Objectively we don’t know why they do it, except that they do, and it’s really up to personal interpretation and hypotheticals that are embraced by the playerbase.
The half-truth/vagueness isn’t good and I’ll absolutely agree on that front though. I won’t challenge that.
Depends, a false promise implies there was a promise made that wasn’t kept. There are some cases that this should be called out, but you’d have to be specific.
Vague descriptives aren’t necessarily promises, they’re vague.
One of the biggest misinterpretations that I see thrown around is the statement “millions of customization options day 1”, word for word I see that a lot when the actual verbatim quote is “The body of customization content that we have on day one ensures that there will be millions of customization combinations for Spartans on the battlefield” which is an objective fact.
You can fault them for vague statements and half-truths on the basis of vague statements and half-truths, but you can’t hold them accountable for personal interpretations of these statements.
But vagueness can lead to deliberate misinterpretations, especially when it comes to marketing and talking about core features of the game, No Mans Sky had a similar issue around the time of its launch and before.
My point is its not good to be vague when talking about a newly anticipated title and how it works, it will cause problems in the long run, which are happening rn.
wether its vague or a lie either way will be interpretated as being lied to and falsely led astray.
Frequently damage isn’t converted into a kill or an assist. Enemies can recover shields…
This game is dead, not dying but dead, i know the challenges being linked to last spartan standing is making me want to just say screw this game, i get it’s not for everyone but they force players to play it if they want the event rewards and weekly ultimate
But yes lag is still a thing, the challenge system is still broken, swapped kill 3 with the trash pulse rifle and didn’t like the one they picked and swapped again just to get kill with the pulse rifle again
GOD at this point i don’t even care if they game fails, 343 deserves all this hate cause they cant do anything right, listen to the fans, its not rocket science
Do monthly poll of conserns and leave the comments open, from there see what the highest voted issue is and get people to fix that issue, but everytime they fix something that fix breaks something else, they just need to hire like crazy and treat their current staff better to keep them, maybe even find people from actual live service games and put them in charge
Long story short forget this game and 343 at this point, Microsoft needs to step in and get the water out of this sinking ship
Yeah, forever waiting on a challenge overhaul. Medals should be the only bonus XP imo. I don’t really see what challenges bring to the table outside of the weekly rewards.
You’d have to prove that the statements were designed to intentionally mislead.
Without proof of intention, it’s speculation.
We can speculate about intention all we want, but that doesn’t make it factual.
I agree, the vague nature of the communication really hasn’t helped at all.
So far it’s been the case, but on the other side of that coin we also have a community that hates being told they’re wrong even when the objective truth is staring them in the face.
It’s a tails/tails coin when both sides are repeatedly trying to call heads.
Strange, I’m getting games real fast for a dead game. You’ve played 150 hours and are still playing so I guess thanks for helping keep the lights in.
Im not speculating on their intention, just saying that it is not a good idea to do it at all for something like this, especially a live service, no matter the intent that vagueness results in an expectation that they shouldve clarified, rather than allow a lie of hope manifest into the expectation. that is what they shouldve done.
Given the amount of times 343 has failed the community on a tragically consistent basis at points in the past, they have no reason to expect to be wrong everytime a slip up happens sadly, especially when they speak too much on the matter.
At that point people would loose the capability to care, understand the situation? maybe, but they wouldnt care anymore, they’d only care that no matter what, the expectation wasnt met.
Challenges almost had me quit the game, it started to feel like work vs just being able to enjoy the game, at least with mcc they stacked so it didn’t feel like work, and this is coming from a player who enjoys a grind but the way they do it they make the grind work, should we get paid to complete these lol
I remember my stomach being twisted into knots cause of these challenges litterally couldn’t stand playing anymore and they made it worse cause of last spartan stranding
No doubt man, no doubt. Come home from work to chill out and stack some bodies in Halo only to be shoehorned into FFA, Limited Event FFA, Mangler kills, ranked matches, (I didn’t mind tactical slayer before they added RNG weapons)-
Like instead of “I play this game to stack bodies and have fun” it’s “Well I gotta do these challenges otherwise my BP unlocks will suffer and if I don’t play this limited event I won’t get that cool armor, so. I guess we’re suffering tonight.”
It feels like going from work to another type of work, you’re right.
And dude, the rage. I’m tryna get these challenges done in LSS and focusing on chasing a dude to backsmack him only to get shot by 2 people from 2 different angles on the map- I said aloud “Why am I subjecting myself to this!? This (yoink) is (yoink) who’s (yoink) idea was this?”
I just WANT THE ARMOR MAN JUST MAKE-
Just make the LSS mode get XP towards the pass without the challenges. Bam, people can play the mode, if they don’t like it, it wouldn’t matter because they’d still be progressing the event pass, and if you’re really good at the mode, you’d progress it faster because you’d be getting more XP. We wouldn’t have to focus on arbitrary challenges and worry about having a wasted match of potential XP because you didn’t get assists or backsmacks.
Respect my time, 343.
I agree, Halo infinite is as buggy as ever, and on top of that they add a game mode that we specifically told 343i not to add.
LSS is just a badly balanced FFA over an actual BR but it definitely brings out all the worst traits of FFA.
Being spawned away from the action means falling behind. In actual FFA it would be missing on kills, in LSS you will be using a poorer loadout vs others.
Power Equipment being Held as a design confers too much situational power to the holder, vs older games where the Powerup is consumed and in use immediately upon walking into it.
Upgrade system is badly balanced for an Escalation slayer type game. Your weapons at the bottom are too weak, and the weapons at the higher tier will definitely outgun them. Combine this aspect with point 1. and you see the problem.
They really should have ported Gungame from MCC customs 1 to 1. That mode is so well balanced after several forgers balanced it over and over.
That mode goes like this:
Players need to complete 23 weapons to win.
Players start with power weapons, slowly promoting to weaker and weaker weapons, so others will eventually be able to catch up if your skill is lacking.
Kills Promote your weapon, but getting backsmacked or stuck with Plasma Demotes you
Each player starts with 2 Plasma and their current weapon
So much more balanced, addictive to play, and upholds the Arena shooter spirit of balanced competition.
Wait what are you talking about you can’t continue grinding a battlepass free out of its season. That’s something 343 said you could do. Did they actually lie about that as well??! If that’s true what the absolute yoink
You can’t be seriously defending them over this obviously shifty statement.
You know what a “.” otherwise known as a period is right? What it means is that the sentence is finished and goes on to another topic.
“All Battle Passes will be permanent. This means that the Season 1 Battle Pass will be around forever; you can always go back, select that as your active Battle Pass and continue to earn progress in it. If you decided to take a Season off, or you simply didn’t have time to play, that’s fine. You can always go back and purchase any prior Battle Pass as well. ”
The last sentence is only talking about how even if you didn’t purchase a battle pass before you still can. It also blatantly states you as in anyone can go back to continue progressing it. Unless they mean “you” as in only people who paid for it. If you brought them to a courtroom over this they would lose. No ifs or buts. And your argument is, wait I’m sorry the word purchase is in this so you have to pay me money if you want me to finish my reply.