Skip the July 23 event to avoid spoilers

This isn’t new to us halo fans. We’ve had campaign spoilers come early for the past few halo games. If you want to remain spoiler free and jump in fresh into the halo infinite campaign then skip this event with me and wait until the multiplayer/forge reveal. The game seems to be coming out right around the corner so whatever they show is most likely the final product.

As a final note, if you are excited about the rest of the Xbox products and not just halo, don’t let me stop you, enjoy the watch!

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> This isn’t new to us halo fans. We’ve had campaign spoilers come early for the past few halo games. If you want to remain spoiler free and jump in fresh into the halo infinite campaign then skip this event with me and wait until the multiplayer/forge reveal. The game seems to be coming out right around the corner so whatever they show is most likely the final product.
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> As a final note, if you are excited about the rest of the Xbox products and not just halo, don’t let me stop you, enjoy the watch!

Isn’t there a difference between spoilers and trailers?

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> > This isn’t new to us halo fans. We’ve had campaign spoilers come early for the past few halo games. If you want to remain spoiler free and jump in fresh into the halo infinite campaign then skip this event with me and wait until the multiplayer/forge reveal. The game seems to be coming out right around the corner so whatever they show is most likely the final product.
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> > As a final note, if you are excited about the rest of the Xbox products and not just halo, don’t let me stop you, enjoy the watch!
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> Isn’t there a difference between spoilers and trailers?

“Save the date! We’re excited to share what the team’s been working on – the first look at Halo Infinite’s Campaign is coming on July 23!”

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> > > This isn’t new to us halo fans. We’ve had campaign spoilers come early for the past few halo games. If you want to remain spoiler free and jump in fresh into the halo infinite campaign then skip this event with me and wait until the multiplayer/forge reveal. The game seems to be coming out right around the corner so whatever they show is most likely the final product.
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> > > As a final note, if you are excited about the rest of the Xbox products and not just halo, don’t let me stop you, enjoy the watch!
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> > Isn’t there a difference between spoilers and trailers?
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> “Save the date! We’re excited to share what the team’s been working on – the first look at Halo Infinite’s Campaign is coming on July 23!”

Unless by spoil you mean literally seeing anything in the way of marketing for a game’s story, then that doesn’t mean they will spoil it.

I reckon they’ll show gameplay of one mission without spoiling plot points and maybe show a story trailer. I also hope they’ll announce a beta starting soon.

I’m sure nothing will be a spoiler. Just avoid launch day trailers. Doom Eternal late trailer spoiled some cool later game content that would’ve been a good suprise.

No, I’ll be watching everything Halo Infinite related. I went dark on Halo 5 to avoid spoilers and ended up buying a game day one that I would have passed on due to the rng loot system. I’ll never make the same mistake again, with any title.

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> This isn’t new to us halo fans. We’ve had campaign spoilers come early for the past few halo games. If you want to remain spoiler free and jump in fresh into the halo infinite campaign then skip this event with me and wait until the multiplayer/forge reveal. The game seems to be coming out right around the corner so whatever they show is most likely the final product.
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> As a final note, if you are excited about the rest of the Xbox products and not just halo, don’t let me stop you, enjoy the watch!

I want to know as much as possible about the product I’m planning to buy, so yes, I will be watching the campaign gameplay and combing over it very thoroughly to get a sense of what 343i have done here. I don’t care much for spoilers tbh, spoiler culture is cancer.

Can you give examples of what’s been spoiled by gameplay reveals for past Halo games?

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> Can you give examples of what’s been spoiled by gameplay reveals for past Halo games?

(343 games) Jul dying in the first mission for halo 5, the boss fight for warden eternal, the reveal of requiem and the Didact as a forerunner. These are just off the top of my head.

I get what you mean OP. I doubt there will be plot spoilers but you will still see the new gameplay / location and characters. It won;t be a surprise anymore.

There’s not going to be anything significant “spoiled” in the story. They’ve got to show something, can’t stay silent forever.
Thats like saying the Signal Detected trailer is a spoiler. If you don’t want to watch Halo then you don’t have to.

I’m sure there will be plot spoilers, but I’ll watch it because I really want to see how different this Halo is. I really hope for a fresh take on the already familiar franchise.

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> (343 games) Jul dying in the first mission for halo 5, the boss fight for warden eternal, the reveal of requiem and the Didact as a forerunner. These are just off the top of my head.

The Halo 5 E3 demo “spoils” a fight with Jul, it does not actually spoil his death. The Warden Eternal boss fight wasn’t any more “spoiled” than the Scarab fights in the E3 2007 trailer. The reveal of the setting and antagonist of H4 is also not a “spoiler.” If these events are considered “spoilers” then the term has lost any and all meaning. Both of those demos differ from the actual levels in significant ways.

If these kinds of reveals are enough to “spoil” someone’s enjoyment I don’t understand how they ever discover new things to enjoy unless they live their entire life picking media to check out by throwing darts at a board while blindfolded.

They won’t have any major spoilers if any at all. Unless you consider plot details spoilers, which I wouldn’t even be surprised if they try to give as few plot details as possible. My prediction is they show a demo for one of the first few missions, and probably a short trailer that maybe gives some hints at plot details, but I’m not expecting to get a lot of plot details revealed until release.

hopefully someone can Just tell me if its open world.

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> The Halo 5 E3 demo “spoils” a fight with Jul, it does not actually spoil his death. The Warden Eternal boss fight wasn’t any more “spoiled” than the Scarab fights in the E3 2007 trailer. The reveal of the setting and antagonist of H4 is also not a “spoiler.” If these events are considered “spoilers” then the term has lost any and all meaning. Both of those demos differ from the actual levels in significant ways.
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> If these kinds of reveals are enough to “spoil” someone’s enjoyment I don’t understand how they ever discover new things to enjoy unless they live their entire life picking media to check out by throwing darts at a board while blindfolded.

It’s a lot like reading a book, if you already know the basic formula in the series and all the new things are shown before you even open it, why bother reading it? Jul dies near immediately, throwing every bit of character development he had in Spartan Ops and the Thursday War out the window. The e3 2015 warden eternal boss fight was WAY cooler than the actual boss fight in halo 5 thus setting up an audience to be dissapointed until their own experience. How is not meeting the last remaining forerunner, the man who front lead the promethean project and armies, single handedly caused the halo community to scream ‘omg Medicant bias is coming back’ for nearly 4 years, and present himself as the main antagonist not a spoiler?

Spoiling a story or even chapters in it is not the same as spoiling one’s enjoyment. A person can enjoy reveals on multiplayer, art design, sound design, in game features, new weapons, etc that aren’t campaign restricted. Remember that h5 had 4 of 15 missions revealed before launch? Plus this use to be extremely common for fans to “go dark” before a game’s launch so specifically avoid spoilers. If halo infinite is coming out in a couple of months then it is indeed about that time to “go dark” again. Before I forget 343i already said last year that the e3 gameplay trailer shown was indeed part of the campaign exactly akin to h5 showing off the entire first cutscene before launch as part of their ‘demos’

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> It’s a lot like reading a book, if you already know the basic formula in the series and all the new things are shown before you even open it, why bother reading it?

Because context matters. Because reading an excerpt is not the same thing as reading an entire book where there are event waiting for you to discover? Because I don’t mindlessly consume media just because its part of a brand I’ve experienced before? Because a list of facts does not a novel make?

> Jul dies near immediately, throwing every bit of character development he had in Spartan Ops and the Thursday War out the window.

Yes, that did happen in Halo 5, this event was not spoiled by the E3 demo of Halo 5

> The e3 2015 warden eternal boss fight was WAY cooler than the actual boss fight in halo 5 thus setting up an audience to be dissapointed until their own experience.

The E3 encounter with is not even a boss fight, it was effectively a cutscene. Both Halo 4 and 5’s E3 demo went out of their way to shuffle events to avoid spoiling things

> How is not meeting the last remaining forerunner, the man who front lead the promethean project and armies, single handedly caused the halo community to scream ‘omg Medicant bias is coming back’ for nearly 4 years, and present himself as the main antagonist not a spoiler?

Because beyond his name and being a Forerunner, no one knew anything about the Didact who had not read the Greg Bear books? Once again revealing the Antagonist and setting isn’t a spoiler, its not intended to “surprise” the audience in any way. Its a basic plot description at best because these companies are always trying to entice new audience members beyond just existing ones.

As far as mendicant bias is concerned what does the communities incorrect speculation have to do with “spoilers?” If anything it just goes to show that bog basic plot details like “setting” and “antagonist” doesn’t give the entire game away.

> Spoiling a story or even chapters in it is not the same as spoiling one’s enjoyment. A person can enjoy reveals on multiplayer, art design, sound design, in game features, new weapons, etc that aren’t campaign restricted. Remember that h5 had 4 of 15 missions revealed before launch? Plus this use to be extremely common for fans to “go dark” before a game’s launch so specifically avoid spoilers. If halo infinite is coming out in a couple of months then it is indeed about that time to “go dark” again. Before I forget 343i already said last year that the e3 gameplay trailer shown was indeed part of the campaign exactly akin to h5 showing off the entire first cutscene before launch as part of their ‘demos’

I don’t actually remember H5 having 4 of its 15 missions “revealed” before launch because I sure don’t remember watching them or playing them, so your going to have to show your work here.

Folks “going dark” is a common occurrence, that doesn’t mean it is always a reasonable one. There is a world of difference between “going dark” because a person considers literally any campaign trailer/demo footage “spoilers” and a person “going dark” because they may not be able to play the game right away at launch or because there are actual leaked spoilers floating about. You weren’t “spoiled” by the Halo 5 opening cutscene either. It is literally the first part of the campaign folks are going to see. Watching that cutscene pre-launch is no different that watching it in game post-launch.

Promotional materials are not “spoilers” stop diluting the term. Jumping into a new entry in a series completely blind is at best silly and at worst demonstrating you have no standards because you will uncritically consume anything with Halo stamped on the box.

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> Because context matters. Because reading an excerpt is not the same thing as reading an entire book where there are event waiting for you to discover? Because I don’t mindlessly consume media just because its part of a brand I’ve experienced before? Because a list of facts does not a novel make?

Yes context does matter. Correct an excerpt isn’t the same as a book. Congratulations on not being mindless. It could, especially when you start looking at old school encyclopedias, but generally correct.

> Yes, that did happen in Halo 5, this event was not spoiled by the E3 demo of Halo 5

Correct not the E3 demo but the campaign marketing before the release of the game. As seen Here (check the date)

> The E3 encounter with is not even a boss fight, it was effectively a cutscene. Both Halo 4 and 5’s E3 demo went out of their way to shuffle events to avoid spoiling things

The whole sequence was scripted whilst remaining similar enough to the actual campaign mission Battle of Sunaion (if I recall correctly) whereby you pass through the same locations and you fight the warden eternal in the same location of the scripted cutscene of the warden eternal fight. Do you have evidence of them actively shuffling events to avoid specifically spoilers in regards to both h5 and h4? I’d like to see them for my own curiosity.

> Because beyond his name and being a Forerunner, no one knew anything about the Didact who had not read the Greg Bear books? Once again revealing the Antagonist and setting isn’t a spoiler, its not intended to “surprise” the audience in any way. Its a basic plot description at best because these companies are always trying to entice new audience members beyond just existing ones.As far as mendicant bias is concerned what does the communities incorrect speculation have to do with “spoilers?” If anything it just goes to show that bog basic plot details like “setting” and “antagonist” doesn’t give the entire game away.

Revealing a new character who is also the antagonist, who leads an entire new faction (prometheans), and is part of the race that made galaxy wide super weapons before you play the game is not a spoiler, alrighty I’ll that in mind. Certainly, though I’m far more familiar with games taking the current trends rather than inserting basic plot descriptions to entice a new audience. Context, like you said before, due to that lack of information we got the whole Medicant Bias theory abundant, thusly that’s another reason why I feel it’s important to show off gameplay via multiplayer over campaign.

> I don’t actually remember H5 having 4 of its 15 missions “revealed” before launch because I sure don’t remember watching them or playing them, so your going to have to show your work here.

Mission 1 and 2, Mission 8, E3 mission 12.

> Promotional materials are not “spoilers” stop diluting the term.

Spoiler: information about the plot that can take a person out of their sense of surprise or suspense.
Quite subjective though I do believe this applies to the topic at hand of ‘campaign reveal’ unless if you would like to provide alternative definitions for the words we are using then that’ll clear up our differences.

> Jumping into a new entry in a series completely blind is at best silly and at worst demonstrating you have no standards because you will uncritically consume anything with Halo stamped on the box.

Quite the contradiction here, I can’t buy new games my friends recommend or I see at the gamestore because it’s silly whilst also not buying any more of my current games because I have no standards. Thank you for telling me how I should spend my money.

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> Yes context does matter. Correct an excerpt isn’t the same as a book. Congratulations on not being mindless. It could, especially when you start looking at old school encyclopedias, but generally correct

No idea why you are bringing up encyclopedias because I never said a list of facts couldn’t form a book, I said it couldn’t be a novel.

> Correct not the E3 demo but the campaign marketing before the release of the game. As seen Here (check the date)Mission 1 and 2, Mission 8

Those are pretty bad, I wouldn’t recommend watching full levels of the final game. They still fundamentally different from trailers or E3 demos which are not “spoilers” which is the main point of contention here.

> The whole sequence was scripted whilst remaining similar enough to the actual campaign mission Battle of Sunaion (if I recall correctly) whereby you pass through the same locations and you fight the warden eternal in the same location of the scripted cutscene of the warden eternal fight. Do you have evidence of them actively shuffling events to avoid specifically spoilers in regards to both h5 and h4? I’d like to see them for my own curiosity.

You mean aside from the fact that the H5 E3 demo cuts out significant chunks of the level and Blue team is never on Sanghelios at that time? Or the fact that the Knights are not introduced during Infinity and that once again leaves out significant portions of gameplay and story?

> Revealing a new character who is also the antagonist, who leads an entire new faction (prometheans), and is part of the race that made galaxy wide super weapons before you play the game is not a spoiler, alrighty I’ll that in mind. Certainly, though I’m far more familiar with games taking the current trends rather than inserting basic plot descriptions to entice a new audience. Context, like you said before, due to that lack of information we got the whole Medicant Bias theory abundant, thusly that’s another reason why I feel it’s important to show off gameplay via multiplayer over campaign.

Correct, it isn’t a spoiler not any more than knowing the Covenant were an alien organization bent on destroying humanity for religious reason is a spoiler for CE. What exactly does rampant, incorrect speculation have to do with “spoilers?” Folks will speculate over literally nothing, so I don’t see how complete radio silence actually helps.

A multiplayer only reveal after the mixed(to put it lightly) reception to Halo 5’s campaign seems unrealistic to say the least. If someone wants to win back trust they need to show some evidence that they may have improved this time around.

> Spoiler: information about the plot that can take a person out of their sense of surprise or suspense.
> Quite subjective though I do believe this applies to the topic at hand of ‘campaign reveal’ unless if you would like to provide alternative definitions for the words we are using then that’ll clear up our differences.

If the E3 demos of Halo 4 remove someone’s sense of surprise of suspense then there the term spoiler has no meaning. At that point literally any information is a “spoiler.” The result of the Red Wedding in Game of Thrones could be considered a spoiler because the explicitly intended to surprise the audience. “Powerful families fight for the throne after the King’s death while great evil threatens to consume everything” isn’t a spoiler and you could go in a fair bit more detail before crossing that line. Even if that particular scene was spoiled if that was all there was to GoT than nobody would have cared in the first place.

If a persons enjoyment of any given piece of media be it a book, movie, or game can be “spoiled” by a back cover plot summary or a single excerpt out of context and with the order of events jumbled, then that piece of media wasn’t very good to begin with. If someone manages to just pluck a novel of the shelf at random and find something they absolutely love then that great good for them, but that just isn’t how your average person goes around picking media to spend their time on. If you live your live being completely paranoid about any information being a spoiler you are likely going to miss out on a lot of great stories you might otherwise enjoy.

> Quite the contradiction here, I can’t buy new games my friends recommend or I see at the gamestore because it’s silly whilst also not buying any more of my current games because I have no standards. Thank you for telling me how I should spend my money.

If you buy a game based solely on your friend telling you “its good” with no further details I would consider that silly still yes. You and your friend’s taste can of course be very similar, but they are not identical, but I digress.I don’t care how you specifically spend your money so much as I care that you are peddling this absurd notion of what constitutes a “spoiler” as it doesn’t do anything but give corporations ammo to smother criticism like we saw with The Last of Us Part II NDAs.

This isn’t a spoiler, it’s a full-on trailer full of Infinite gameplay that will probably never be seen again. It’s probably one of the cut missions, and the mission is probably already replaced with something much better. Remember, CE’s campaign was 25 missions originally and is now 10 missions.
Who knows? The release edition of the game could look so much better and different than what we’re going to see in a matter of days. I’m hyped.
But you do you. I’m watching it until I’ve memorized it thoroughly.