Skill based matchmaking in Social Playlists

Just a quick check:
you’re last 10 quick play matches:

  1. slayer 50-30
  2. CTF: 3-0
  3. Slayer 50-30
  4. Oddball: 200-57 (2-0)
  5. Oddball: 288-171 (2-1)
  6. Strongholds 200-86
  7. Slayer: 50-48
  8. Strongholds 200-25
  9. CTF: 3-2
  10. Oddball: 200-48 (2-0)

So only 3 out of the last 10 Quick Play matches were close… So why is it that every time i check the matches from someone, who is claiming that almost all there matches are close, those matches tell a completely different story?

You might be feeling that you need to sweat, but it’s clearly not because of a strict SBMM that makes every game close. Everytime the oposite seem to be true.

I think the real problem is threefold:

  • A very loose SBMM, so teams are not balanced (not just between the teams, but also within the team, so that you constantly feel you need to carry your team since the others are not able to get a good fight in)
  • The way people are playing. Most players nowadays want to play on there best every match and not ‘relax’ anymore.
  • The challenges ‘forced’ people to get wins, or kills (with a weapon or in total), so they sweat to collect those challenges as quick as they can or to be able to get that win.

In MCC there was also another factor: the XP you got was dependent on how good you did, wich also got people to play try-hard mode to get as much XP as possible. So far that’s not the case in Infinite, although i think they will add that unfortunately… I think most people might like that XP-system, but it does create a sweaty atmosphere in social matches unfortunately.

That is a very elitist thing of you to say, since you are at the better half of the players and don’t have to experience that. It is completely normal that people quit playing games where they don’t have a fighting chance. People play games to have fun, not to be cannon fodder for the elite players. That is true for every game.
And it’s also very laughable that you call lesser players ‘crybabies’ if they complain about having to tough matches and lose big, if you are already complaing about it being to tough when the match is close…

If you’re just want to ‘kick back and play’ you clearly don’t care about the score. So then wouldn’t it make any difference if its 49-50 or 35-50… So you’re contradicting yourself here… The real reason is that for you (since you are in the better half) that 35-50 won’t happen that often then the other way around, and you just want to stump others. That those others then have a lesser experience you don’t seem to care about (in fact: you insult them by calling them crybabies because they won’t sacrifice there fun so you can stump them…)

Here you seem to contradict yourself again. You earlier said you wanted to ‘kick back and relax’, wich is completely different then ‘get better’. To get better you need to play your best (and be challenged by people close to your own skill). You won’t get better by ‘kicking back and relax’.

And by the way: with one-sided matches where you are outskilled or outskill others, you have little learning experience and won’t get better. Your brain needs to be challenged on his own level to be able to learn new stuff and be able to connect it to stuff it already knows. If it is to challenging, it won’t process it correctly and if its not challenging enough, there is no need to learn, since it already has enough to handle the situation.

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Because the SBMM is looser… and tied more to teams (and not team-work) the games wouldn’t be 49-50. Nobody expects that. But what we want is more 40+ to 50 than perpetual stompings.

There would be plenty of scope to improve… win a few more games… rank up… and get better opponents. A more natural progression than the good old fashioned “get gud or get out” of days gone by.

I’m not sure what you mean here.

SBMM, even in social, shouldn’t be putting Onyx with Silver - unless someone is trying to take such players in as a squad. Someone mentioned other games actually put a limit on the skill difference you can squad up with.

The base problem is how people expect ‘random’ to behave. Random players only generate random games for people in the middle of the curve.

Try it for yourself. Draw a normal curve and put an ‘X’ for a good player (say Onyx 1500) on the right hand tail. Now pick opponents randomly from the AREA UNDER THE CURVE. Straight away you can see that almost every game they play will be littered with players ranked BELOW them. More than 9/10 in fact.

This is why good players like ‘Random’. It’s anything but for them. It’s game after game of players to feast upon and heaps of streamable content. It’s chill for everyone except them.

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my statement isn’t contradictory at all. YOU just can’t handle reality.
answer me question
WHAT IF THE OTHER PEOPLE SIMPLY DONT FEEL LIKE KICKING BACK??? THEN WHAT?
i didnt’ gloss over anything…you are so emotional man.
Nothing i said was offensive.
Nothing I said bashed.
I stated reality man
you dont even have to like it.
What if the other people dont feel like sitting back?
They already took the BR out which at least allows us to move around the map more(granted it leads to getting smacked in the face more.)
Im not fighting with you man.
You just can’t make this work any other way.
Play single player or co-op in another game.

this is simply not accurate at all.

I dont want constant stomps, and when I say parties, I wasn’t referring to an actual full stack. A solo/duo queue would be nice, but since I’m in Japan, I’m usually off-time whenever my typical team is on.

Creating a party shouldn’t be the end-all-be-all solution either. I should be able to enjoy the game by myself if I choose to do so. I don’t have an issue facing a full stack in Social.

That’s an unfortunate side effect of solo queuing. Instead of picking your own teammates, from people you know and trust. You’re relying on an AI to pick them for you, one that only has so much information regarding players when it comes to pairing people together. So the chances of getting bad teammates will always be high in that regard. It’s just something you’re going to have to deal with if you solo queue up.

Letting an AI pick you’re teammates will just always just be inferior.

Taking SBMM out of the equation is just going to make it even harder for the AI to pick teammates for people. Since now it can’t even factor in some sort of skill balance. The chances of it being worst of is just way too high.

Uh, I’m emotional? I’m not the one using all caps here bro lol it’s just a discussion, people are allowed to disagree with you. Not everyone has to conform to your opinion yknow. I’m not offended cause you disagree? Lol I never acted like you offended me. People can disagree with you without being insulted, this isn’t Twitter bro.

If other people don’t feel like kicking back, that’s what ranked is for my guy. If people want to sweat in Social, like I said, that’s their own prerogative. I’m allowed to play thr game in whatever way I see fit without conforming to other players. Hence, I’m going to ignore your suggestion to play campaign and just keep playing social. I’m pretty comfortable with my rank anyway. I’m allowed to have a few annoyances about certain nuances but still have fun most of the time.

Sounds to me like you just wanna sweat 24/7, which is fine. But if that’s the case, just stay in Ranked.

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and i am allowed to disagree with you man.

No it really isn’t. MY GUY get it yet?
That is not what ranked is for. Who on earth are you to say that ahahahaha emotional

Uh, I said if they DON’T feel like kicking back then play ranked. In other words, that’s what ranked is for, the sweatfeast.

You ain’t gotta project bro, it ain’t that big of a deal lol the difference is I’m ok with you disagreeing, it’s just a discussion. I don’t need to make ad hominems to make myself feel as though my opinion is any more valid than yours.

Oh

This isn’t you doing the same thing and then hiding your hand?
The dishonesty ahahaha
just stop man

I’m not sure what you’re even on about right now and you’re getting off topic because you don’t like that someone is actually disagreeing with your opinion and engaging you in conversation.

Where exactly is the dishonesty in what I said? I’m pointing out the flaws in your argumentation. That’s not a personal attack lol

One thing I’ve always been curious about. More so from people who complain about try hards or sweats…

Are they not allowed to play that way in social matches to you? Do you think if they put that much effort that they should be allowed to do it in Ranked?

I thought Social / Quick play was meant for everyone, including them.

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In general I’ve never really had an issue solo queuing in any game. I don’t really mind the randomness of teammates. I just wish the parameters for what the SBMM considers “equal” footing to be a little stricter.

then i simply responded with your quote…

then you literally told me this wasn’t twitter…
that is what i mean by dishonesty…
subtle like a snake man

It is, which is why I said before if someone wants to play sweaty in Social, that’s their own prerogative. I don’t really complain about sweats because I’m what I would consider a “tryhard.”

If I recall correctly, Halo 3 had search parameters that you could use in Social that helped to narrow down the style of play the other players would match with you. Something like that would be welcome in my eyes.

Because those who are quick to say others are things like “emotional” are often projecting their own feelings onto the person.

Not once have I made a personal attack on either your character or even your skill in the game. So what I’m saying is accurate. I’m simply pointing out things I’m noticing from you.

Saying this isn’t Twitter is real. All too often people on Twitter are quick to attack each other in asinine ways simply for disagreeing with their opinion, which brings down the intelligence level of everyone involved.

Either way, unless you want to get back to the discussion at hand, I won’t be humoring you anymore. If you can’t have a discussion without making weird claims or presenting “solutions” to a problem that don’t actually solve anything, then I won’t be engaging with you any further.

You literally told me this wasn’t twitter…Play ignorant like you don’t get what that meant ahahahahahaha foolish childish man to pretend you dont get that.

hmmmmmm/

How should this not apply then…to what you are saying regarding this topic ahahahaha
keep responding man…state of humanity is so sad.

If you say so my guy. I even explained myself in what I meant by my Twitter comment, which is odd personal attacks and beratement over disagreements in a discussion. If I wanted to try and offend you, I’d just do it lol

In response to your more “on topic post,” I quite literally said, “if someone wants to sweat in Social, that’s their own prerogative.” Meaning they are free to sweat in Social as much as they like, regardless if there is, what I consider, a proper area for that style of play, which is ranked. Just as I’m free to play how I want in social.

I wasn’t even complaining about sweats in Social in the first place. I was complaining about getting paired up with teammates that are far below my skill level lol

ahahaha you are so passive aggressive “my guy.”
ahahahaha
keep back peddling and lying my guy.