With the new server-side change that removed the arclight from play, vehicles are going to be even more powerful than they already are. Currently the arclight, whiplash, and endgame are the only viable weapons L5 or below to take out flipping banshees. They’re also the best way to take out fast moving ghosts and hogs, although other options are available. And the whiplash has much lower damage output than the arclight, so really the endgame is the only L5 weapon in the same league as the arclight for vehicle takedown.
The Selene’s lance is being lowered to L5, but it’s a Legendary rarity. So that’s not anywhere near an acceptable substitute for the Arclight (which is only Rare). You simply don’t get enough Lances to use them regularly. Plus, it’s not even as good as the arclight for flipping banshees, because of the recoil and charge time / warning laser. - The Endgame is an ultra-rare item, and on the list with the Banshee Ultra, Phaeton Helios, and Whiplash, in terms of “precious” REQs that you save for important moments. Yet now with no Arclights, we’ll all need to call Endgames regularly to counter banshee spam. - Arclights are still dropping in gold packs!! :-/Solution: Every gold pack and silver pack “slot” which would have an arclight should now have an endgame instead. The endgame is the only real suitable substitute for the arclight.
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> Minus the Banshees, vehicles are fairly easy to take out in this game.
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> More importantly about this server side fix is that the Arclight won’t come back until November.
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> Seriously 343? November? You can’t push out a fix before November?
Drastic times call for drastic measures. I’d imagine that rigorous testing must be conducted to ensure the Arclight glitch has been nullified.
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> > Minus the Banshees, vehicles are fairly easy to take out in this game.
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> > More importantly about this server side fix is that the Arclight won’t come back until November.
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> > Seriously 343? November? You can’t push out a fix before November?
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> Drastic times call for drastic measures. I’d imagine that rigorous testing must be conducted to ensure the Arclight glitch has been nullified.
That’s actually not the reason at all. They’ve already said that they’ve fixed the glitch in their internal version. But releasing a full on-console update requires a lot of testing and stuff to make sure it doesn’t break anything. So i suspect they don’t want to go through all that testing twice, once now for the arclight glitch, and once again in november for the next update cycle.
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> First off why the arclight? It says “possible exploits” but what the heck can be exploited? Taking out powerful vehicles at range?
People discovered that you can get into the core and shoot it with an arclight, even without first trip capping.
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> > First off why the arclight? It says “possible exploits” but what the heck can be exploited? Taking out powerful vehicles at range?
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> People discovered that you can get into the core and shoot it with an arclight, even without first trip capping.
Geez but you can’t get into the enemy base without someone letting you in! It’s not that big of an issue, and why November!?
I loved shooting down Banshees with the Arclight.
People can get under the maps with arclights and core it like that.
I think people are also forgetting that the arclight is the only surefire way to kill people out of wasps, as it one shots anybody.
I agree that they should make the endgame and selences lances more common.
My solution would be to make the standard spartan laser an uncommon REQ, the endgame a rare REQ, and the Lance an ultra rare REQ.
=> By doing this, people would feel more inclined to call in lasers to take out pesky vehicles, where so many teammates just ignore the enemies.
I also do not understand why the heartseeker has been lowered in REQ. The heartseeker is incredibly far away from even being considered hitscan. Nobody will ever use it as an anti-vehicle weapon.
Just as an FYI, November is a long way away. It’s actually over 60 days. This is abysmal. People working on games such as Overwatch or Battlefield fix game breaking glitches succinctly in a matter of weeks. Honestly, you guys need to sort your stuff out, that’s poor for a triple-A shooter, I’m sure you can see why everybody hates your game now.
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> I agree that they should make the endgame and selences lances more common.
> - My solution would be to make the standard spartan laser an uncommon REQ, the endgame a rare REQ, and the Lance an ultra rare REQ.
> => By doing this, people would feel more inclined to call in lasers to take out pesky vehicles, where so many teammates just ignore the enemies.
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> I also do not understand why the heartseeker has been lowered in REQ. The heartseeker is incredibly far away from even being considered hitscan. Nobody will ever use it as an anti-vehicle weapon.
I like your idea to charge drop the rarity of the lasers by 1 each. it would help a lot with vehicle spam.
Also, i agree that the heartseeker is not a very good anti-vehicle weapon (although now i’m going to try and use it to take out tanks, because I’m curious). But I’m happy it is L6 now, since L7 was way overpriced for a mediocre weapon. The Answer is much better, and only L6.
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> > Also, i agree that the heartseeker is not a very good anti-vehicle weapon (although now i’m going to try and use it to take out tanks, because I’m curious). But I’m happy it is L6 now, since L7 was way overpriced for a mediocre weapon. The Answer is much better, and only L6.
I wouldn’t bother trying a heartseeker dude. In case you didn’t realise, the damage output of the heartseeker tap-fire mode is the equivelant of 2 hydra rounds. And remember that the gun overheats, the rounds fire slower than a hydra, and they do not always lock on. An anti-vehicle gun should be distinguished by the speed, and rapidness it retains when killing vehicles, not the aesthetic value (343 loves to think the heartseeker can actually kill a vehicle).
On that same note, I funnily enough made a post last week about the arclight.
8/20/2017
lol I guess it means 343 are gonna remove the arclight from matchmaking now. Rip that gun. Too much work to actually fix the warzone maps
I never actually thought they’d take it out. So thanks for removing decent game functions again 343
On another side note, why the heck do you guys manage and change aspects of the game, when none of you play as much warzone, well online warzone, as us regular players? I never see any of you besides BadWolf. If you guys played warzone, you would know that barely anybody uses a dmr, barely anybody uses gunfighter magnums (and gets kills) and nobody complains about the snapshotting capability of the beam rifle. I’m not trying to start a fire, and flame you guys, but nobody else seems to be challenging you guys on these ridiculous patches you intend to produce
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> > > Also, i agree that the heartseeker is not a very good anti-vehicle weapon (although now i’m going to try and use it to take out tanks, because I’m curious). But I’m happy it is L6 now, since L7 was way overpriced for a mediocre weapon. The Answer is much better, and only L6.
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> lol I guess it means 343 are gonna remove the arclight from matchmaking now. Rip that gun. Too much work to actually fix the warzone maps
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> I never actually thought they’d take it out. So thanks for removing decent game functions again 343
They’re working on fixing the maps themselves. Removing the Arclight from Warzone (and Warzone playlists only) is just a temporary measure until the map fixes roll out so people can’t do the exploit.
> On another side note, why the heck do you guys manage and change aspects of the game, when none of you play as much warzone, well online warzone, as us regular players? I never see any of you besides BadWolf. If you guys played warzone, you would know that barely anybody uses a dmr, barely anybody uses gunfighter magnums (and gets kills) and nobody complains about the snapshotting capability of the beam rifle. I’m not trying to start a fire, and flame you guys, but nobody else seems to be challenging you guys on these ridiculous patches you intend to produce
You do know that there’s more to Halo 5 than Warzone, right? Considering that they’re going to be tested initially in an Arena playlist, I’d say it’s pretty safe to assume that the changes are primarily designed for more balanced Arena gameplay.
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> > I agree that they should make the endgame and selences lances more common.
> > - My solution would be to make the standard spartan laser an uncommon REQ, the endgame a rare REQ, and the Lance an ultra rare REQ.
> > => By doing this, people would feel more inclined to call in lasers to take out pesky vehicles, where so many teammates just ignore the enemies.
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> > I also do not understand why the heartseeker has been lowered in REQ. The heartseeker is incredibly far away from even being considered hitscan. Nobody will ever use it as an anti-vehicle weapon.
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> I like your idea to charge drop the rarity of the lasers by 1 each. it would help a lot with vehicle spam.
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> Also, i agree that the heartseeker is not a very good anti-vehicle weapon (although now i’m going to try and use it to take out tanks, because I’m curious). But I’m happy it is L6 now, since L7 was way overpriced for a mediocre weapon. The Answer is much better, and only L6.
Agreed! Endgame stashes deplete quickly and regular Spartan Lasers at level 3 wouldn’t be overpowering for a team as each user only gets 4 shots total. Even decreasing the rarity of the Oni chaingun would help somewhat.
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> > > I agree that they should make the endgame and selences lances more common.
> > > - My solution would be to make the standard spartan laser an uncommon REQ, the endgame a rare REQ, and the Lance an ultra rare REQ.
> > > => By doing this, people would feel more inclined to call in lasers to take out pesky vehicles, where so many teammates just ignore the enemies.
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> > > I also do not understand why the heartseeker has been lowered in REQ. The heartseeker is incredibly far away from even being considered hitscan. Nobody will ever use it as an anti-vehicle weapon.
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> > I like your idea to charge drop the rarity of the lasers by 1 each. it would help a lot with vehicle spam.
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> > Also, i agree that the heartseeker is not a very good anti-vehicle weapon (although now i’m going to try and use it to take out tanks, because I’m curious). But I’m happy it is L6 now, since L7 was way overpriced for a mediocre weapon. The Answer is much better, and only L6.
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> Agreed! Endgame stashes deplete quickly and regular Spartan Lasers at level 3 wouldn’t be overpowering for a team as each user only gets 4 shots total. Even decreasing the rarity of the Oni chaingun would help somewhat.
No I didn’t say to make the req cost level 3, i said make the rarity decreased. The lasers are fine at the current level; the normal spartan laser should stay at 4.
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> > > > Also, i agree that the heartseeker is not a very good anti-vehicle weapon (although now i’m going to try and use it to take out tanks, because I’m curious). But I’m happy it is L6 now, since L7 was way overpriced for a mediocre weapon. The Answer is much better, and only L6.
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> > lol I guess it means 343 are gonna remove the arclight from matchmaking now. Rip that gun. Too much work to actually fix the warzone maps
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> > I never actually thought they’d take it out. So thanks for removing decent game functions again 343
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> They’re working on fixing the maps themselves. Removing the Arclight from Warzone (and Warzone playlists only) is just a temporary measure until the map fixes roll out so people can’t do the exploit.
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> > On another side note, why the heck do you guys manage and change aspects of the game, when none of you play as much warzone, well online warzone, as us regular players? I never see any of you besides BadWolf. If you guys played warzone, you would know that barely anybody uses a dmr, barely anybody uses gunfighter magnums (and gets kills) and nobody complains about the snapshotting capability of the beam rifle. I’m not trying to start a fire, and flame you guys, but nobody else seems to be challenging you guys on these ridiculous patches you intend to produce
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> You do know that there’s more to Halo 5 than Warzone, right? Considering that they’re going to be tested initially in an Arena playlist, I’d say it’s pretty safe to assume that the changes are primarily designed for more balanced Arena gameplay.
You do know that 343 testers are still never seen, or rarely seen in arena right?
You do know that the gunfighter magnum and the DMR are barely seen in arena right?
You do realise that when 343 makes these changes, they’re likely to move over into warzone and campaign as well?
You do realise that temporary refers to a small time frame, but 61 days (ideal expected time for the patch) is still a long time, and might as well be considered a permanent change?
You do realise that speaking like this is condescending and makes the speaker sound more intelligent?
Not that I am, but I can guarantee that I spent less time holding my breath under water at the local swimming pool than you.
Please don’t respond to my posts in non constructive ways, I understand completely the severity of the glitch, and the necessity for a definitive patch. But 343 is remaining distant from the players. They are expecting us to remain loyal, or to at least bully people on the forums that speak out. Try figure out which one of us is loyal to 343.
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> > > > I agree that they should make the endgame and selences lances more common.
> > > > - My solution would be to make the standard spartan laser an uncommon REQ, the endgame a rare REQ, and the Lance an ultra rare REQ.
> > > > => By doing this, people would feel more inclined to call in lasers to take out pesky vehicles, where so many teammates just ignore the enemies.
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> > > > I also do not understand why the heartseeker has been lowered in REQ. The heartseeker is incredibly far away from even being considered hitscan. Nobody will ever use it as an anti-vehicle weapon.
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> No I didn’t say to make the req cost level 3, i said make the rarity decreased. The lasers are fine at the current level; the normal spartan laser should stay at 4.
^this.
The lasers are appropriately priced in REQ energy. And honestly the endgame “ultra rare” rarity is fine, IF the arclight is in the game. It’s just that without the arclight, banshees will be even more godlike.
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> Minus the Banshees, vehicles are fairly easy to take out in this game.
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> More importantly about this server side fix is that the Arclight won’t come back until November.
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> Seriously 343? November? You can’t push out a fix before November?
