In the latest episode of the Sprint, Frankie and Brian revealed that Thorne was originally supposed to be the one hunting Chief. It was supposed to be him and the rest of Majestic hunting Blue Team. Then, Osiris came to be, and back then Thorne was in the position that Buck was in. Now, I think they should’ve kept the role of Locke for Thorne, as Thorne is more interesting than Locke is. Would have you like to have seen Thorne been the one hunting Chief instead of Locke?
I just think that any approach to the hunt, be it a different team leader or anything less monotone than the dynamic between Chief and Locke would have been better. The whole buildup to the game was this supposed hunt/rivalry, and it was by far the most underwhelming part of the story. And maybe that was all to distract us from the Cortana twist. But either way, it was incredibly underplayed. I dont hate Locke, but his character was so damn bland. I want to like him, but how can you when he’s so one sided. There was absolutely zero character development for him.
If Thorne had lead Majestic to chase after Blue Team, do you think he would have been able to pull the trigger if need be? Thorne was going to be part of Osiris to have a counterpoint to Locke’s cynicism and ruthless efficiency so I doubt they would want to send someone after their hero.
I don’t dislike Locke at all. He certainly is interesting. I like him and want to know more about him. His character has potential. One problem with Halo 5 is we were not given enough background about Locke. I think Halo 5’s story would have benefited from Thorne hunting Chief because, we the fans felt more connected to him and had more history / background on him. It would have blended 4 and 5 better. What do I know. I like Palmer too. The voice actor for Thorne was busy and could not commit to the project.
Listening to to the sprint conversation on MCC I got the impression that the writers got no idea how to write a story. There does not seem to be good leadership or direction coming from this department. IMHO having Thorne or Locke hunt the chief would not have made a big difference. That was not the problem with the story.
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> In the latest episode of the Sprint, Frankie and Brian revealed that Thorne was originally supposed to be the one hunting Chief. It was supposed to be him and the rest of Majestic hunting Blue Team. Then, Osiris came to be, and back then Thorne was in the position that Buck was in. Now, I think they should’ve kept the role of Locke for Thorne, as Thorne is more interesting than Locke is. Would have you like to have seen Thorne been the one hunting Chief instead of Locke?
The debate was not Locke or Thorne.
They first decided to scrap Majestic, and bring Thorne in with new characters (the leader of whom, because Locke). When the actor playing Thorne was unavailable, they went to Buck.
It would’ve been a bit better, i think.
I actually wonder if the writing would’ve been different.
Why is it everybody who wants to hunt down John has to be named after an -Yoink- from the Night’s Watch?
I think the real problem was that the entire hunt thing felt really contrived; there was NO reason for Lasky to just let John go after Cortana, and John just going AWOL after talking to him for about five seconds was honestly just pathetic. The only way I think you’d be able to make it work would be to get them to actually be fighting for separate causes; for example, having John actually team up with Cortana. That honestly would have been pretty interesting to see.
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> > In the latest episode of the Sprint, Frankie and Brian revealed that Thorne was originally supposed to be the one hunting Chief. It was supposed to be him and the rest of Majestic hunting Blue Team. Then, Osiris came to be, and back then Thorne was in the position that Buck was in. Now, I think they should’ve kept the role of Locke for Thorne, as Thorne is more interesting than Locke is. Would have you like to have seen Thorne been the one hunting Chief instead of Locke?
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> They first decided to scrap Majestic, and bring Thorne in with new characters (the leader of whom, because Locke). When the actor playing Thorne was unavailable, they went to Buck.
Though, in a statement on the Beyond forums, Josh Holmes (under the username, Sal1ent) said that Buck had replaced Thorne because the team wanted some comic relief.
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> Thorne was originally the fourth member of Fireteam Osiris, but he was never intended to be the leader (that was always Locke). As the story evolved, Buck took Thorne’s place as his sense of humor worked well with the team. Also, we love Nathan. The cover image for the art book is one created in early pre-production when Thorne was still on the team and it’s one of my favorite concept images. It was painted by John Wallin Liberto and perfectly captures the epic sense of adventure that Halo 5 is all about.
The issue was actually Thorne or Buck, not Thorne or Locke. Regardless, I don’t think using Thorne instead would’ve made a difference if the writing didn’t change as well. There was a line in the Brian Reed interview: “Thorne’s way of looking at the world as a potentially good place would pair nicely with Locke’s more cynical “every target is just another target.” If they intended to expand on this dynamic more than they did in the actual game, if they intended on using Thorne as an effective foil to Locke, then I would’ve been all for Thorne instead of Buck.
But Buck has more charisma than Thorne and this dynamic wasn’t executed anyway, so it makes me wonder if Thorne really would’ve made a difference, if anyone would’ve made a difference. The problem wasn’t who was on the team; every character, even a stone-faced “yes sir” character like Locke, has potential. The problem was how they were written.
It would’ve made an interesting dynamic to say the least. It makes me curious to see if there are any plans for Thorne, or Majestic, further down the line. Heck, even a cameo in Halo 6 would be nice.
I agree. It would not have mattered who was on the team. I believe the writers would have done a poor job of capitalizing on the character ineteractions and personalities.
Locke is supposed to be bland. He’s a focused hunter. Think Carter. Always focused. No non-sense.
Works for me.
I don’t have anything against Thorne but I liked Locked and Osiris they were a great addition to Halo.
I don’t see how Thorne is less bland than locke.
To be honest, I’ve always hated Thorne. Ever since they introduced him in Halo 4… I wanted to like him up until the point he heard that Prometheans were ancient humans, and he walked out like a crybaby. I understand he had just lost people in New Phoenix, and it was less than a year since that incident, but that’s no reason for him to act as he did. Besides, when New Phoenix was brought up in the very first cinematic for Spartan Ops, Throne got over it in a matter of seconds. After that, I stopped liking Thorne as a character. From my perspective, 343i tried to make him sort of a “mini-Chief” by making him out to be a character of importance, which left me disappointed. I’d have liked it better if it had been Demarco, and not Thorne.
Buck, on the other hand, I’ve liked since his introduction. I may also be a bit biased because it’s Nathan, as he’s one of my favorite actors. The introduction we got with Halo 3: ODST was a bit well done. We don’t see a lot into his backstory, unfortunately, but Nathan brought the character to life more than Thorne’s voice actor did. (At least in my opinion). It got a bit better with his cameo appearance in Halo Reach, where we escort him while he goes to pick up his squad.
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> Locke is supposed to be bland. He’s a focused hunter. Think Carter. Always focused. No non-sense.
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Okay, I am now going to start submitting scripts to 343 with a big note on the front saying “Note: all characters have the personality of a plastic fork, but that’s okay because it’s intentional.” There’s a massive difference between stoic and bland.
It wouldn’t really make sense for Thorne to even be apart of Fireteam Osiris and to abandon the idea of Majestic considering how many people have played Halo 4 and the move would be consider a Halo:Reach type of move since Halo:Reach was lore breaking. The role Buck has is better because of how he is in his 40’s while everyone is in their 20’s on Fireteam Osiris and gives us a type of Mentor figure similar to the one Sergeant Major Avery Johnson had being a Spartan/ Orion 1 candidate and Master Chief Petty Officer 117 being a Spartan II.
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> To be honest, I’ve always hated Thorne. Ever since they introduced him in Halo 4… I wanted to like him up until the point he heard that Prometheans were ancient humans, and he walked out like a crybaby. I understand he had just lost people in New Phoenix, and it was less than a year since that incident, but that’s no reason for him to act as he did. Besides, when New Phoenix was brought up in the very first cinematic for Spartan Ops, Throne got over it in a matter of seconds. After that, I stopped liking Thorne as a character. From my perspective, 343i tried to make him sort of a “mini-Chief” by making him out to be a character of importance, which left me disappointed. I’d have liked it better if it had been Demarco, and not Thorne.
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> Buck, on the other hand, I’ve liked since his introduction. I may also be a bit biased because it’s Nathan, as he’s one of my favorite actors. The introduction we got with Halo 3: ODST was a bit well done. We don’t see a lot into his backstory, unfortunately, but Nathan brought the character to life more than Thorne’s voice actor did. (At least in my opinion). It got a bit better with his cameo appearance in Halo Reach, where we escort him while he goes to pick up his squad.
He acted like he did because Captain Laskey lied to the crew of the UNSC Infinity during the Second Battle of Requiem and claimed that the Prometheans were Ancient humans, when in fact the army they were fighting were primarily made up of the freshly composed citizens of New Phoenix. In that light, it’s incredibly logical that he was angry. Oh, that dude you just killed? Your baby sister. That other one? Your Grandma. That other one? Your Father. As the Escalation Comic’s expansion of his character revealed, he pretty much has PTSD and recurring night terrors from that. As for his role of importance, he technically was the only Spartan IV that Dr. Halsey approved of.
I’m honestly disappointed that 343 wasn’t able to find a work around for the VA and simply dumped the character when he had so much potential. Here’s hoping he returns as a character in Halo 6.
I mean if they were so hell bent on making new characters I would’ve been fine with Locke and Vale. Keep Buck and swap out Tanaka for Thorne. Never really been a big fan of Tanaka. I get that she fills the whole “relating to outter colonies” person on Meridian, but Locke was really the only one speaking to them and ensuring their safety the whole time.
I think its stupid that they completely ditched Thorne because of some “scheduling issues and conflicts.” Thorne was a great character for what he was and what we saw of him. If it were my choice, I’d say ditch Locke and keep the rest of the team. Locke is very bland tbh. Buck is great tactically and obviously brings that hilarious side into battle. Tanakah has a great personality and brings somewhat of a moral compass into the group, although her character needs to be expanded. Vale brings the smarts into the group, she knows what’s she’s doing and she’s extremely agile. Although her character needs to be built upon like Tanakah’s, they have a lot of potential and current value to the fireteam. Thorne has the leadership personality, better than Locke’s “leadership,” he is very mature and serious and honestly would’ve been eligible for the Spartan II program. He is an actual Spartan IV character that can combat the Master Chief, Locke has nothing on MC but 343 still tries to push him to seem like that. Still, Master Chief shouldn’t be captured or in need of help, that’s just 343 saying, “We don’t want Chief anymore.” They said they didn’t want Thorne’s character with a new voice actor, but if it makes the game better and its a better character, WHY THE HECK NOT?! Its a minor issue, changing the character as a whole is a major one. I would rather have Thorne than Buck… sorry.