Should the UNSC annihilate the Insurrection?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the UNSC or UEG try pretty much everything to appease the colonies before the war? Yet still had it not been for the Covenant there would have been a huge civil war and the Spartans would have had to destroy the rebellion.

I’m kind of confused as to the motivations of the Innies. Of course they want to be independent that’s a given. However, why do they want to be independent? The UEG does seem to be in a police state so that may warrant it. Other than that though I don’t really see anything that would make living in Halo’s Earth Empire unbearable. I’m not aware of any treatment of the colonies as second class though I may be wrong.

So in my conclusion we don’t know a lot about the political systems of the civilian UEG. However, it seems like the Innies are just plain terrorists who are mad and want to bring death and misery to anyone in their wake. So should the UNSC forcibly crush and destroy every outpost of the Insurrection and declare segregation illegal?

I think the issue is we get very little information on the innies in general, and a lot of the ones we see end up being cardboard cutout terrorists.

Naomi’s dad was more a lean in the right direction, the problem is we don’t see insurrectionists who were there from the start. We seem to only really see the insurrection from the time the S-2’s are deployed. And most innies seem to be doing it because their parents did.

Its likely something similar to mistreatment, or the perception of mistreatment due to distance. Its probably something similar to the American Revolution or Zeon (the non-space -Yoink!- parts) from Gundam.

> Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the UNSC or UEG try pretty much everything to appease the colonies before the war? Yet still had it not been for the Covenant there would have been a huge civil war and the Spartans would have had to destroy the rebellion.

What? I think you might have been tuning in to state-approved broadcasts a little too much.

Pretty sure.

Yeah, I think they’re more like Zeon and the subsequent Neo Zeon movements

> Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the UNSC or UEG try pretty much everything to appease the colonies before the war?

Nope. The UNSC nuked them.

> > Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the UNSC or UEG try pretty much everything to appease the colonies before the war?
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> Nope. The UNSC nuked them.

By war I meant the Insurrection “war.” I know by the time the Human-Covenant War came on there had been plenty of nuking and murder on both sides.

Artoo, you might want to read up on the Far Isle nuking. The UNSC nuked a UEG colony to put down an insurrection.

The Insurrectionists want to separate from the UEG because they feel like they are treated as second hand citizens. It’s the Inner Colonies that get the luxury items, the Inner Colonies who have more voting rights, the Inner Colonies who receive adequate assistance. For the Insurrectionists, they feel like the UEG just takes the Outer Colony resources for themselves, and leaves them to fend for themselves, giving nothing back in return.

> Artoo, you might want to read up on the Far Isle nuking. The UNSC nuked a UEG colony to put down an insurrection.

We know nothing about the situation other than the fact that it happened. Who knows what was going on down there to warrant the use of a nuke?

> > Artoo, you might want to read up on the Far Isle nuking. The UNSC nuked a UEG colony to put down an insurrection.
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> We know nothing about the situation other than the fact that it happened. Who knows what was going on down there to warrant the use of a nuke?

Mamomore nuking, we don’t know for sure from the innie side that that was that target. Might have been an accident or some other tragedy that the UNSC blamed on the Innies.

> > > Artoo, you might want to read up on the Far Isle nuking. The UNSC nuked a UEG colony to put down an insurrection.
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> > We know nothing about the situation other than the fact that it happened. Who knows what was going on down there to warrant the use of a nuke?
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> Mamomore nuking, we don’t know for sure from the innie side that that was that target. Might have been an accident or some other tragedy that the UNSC blamed on the Innies.

Exactly. It’s never been fully clear on who started what, and both sides will obviously try to make themselves seem like the good guys.

No they shouldn’t. Hell, if I was in the Halo universe I’d probably be an insurrectionist. The UNSC and by extension the UEG is rather oppressive at times and tyrannical at worst. They assassinate civilians when it suits their needs, treat them as rather expendable in the grand scheme of things and monitor their every move.

While not the absolute worst the UNSC are no angels.

> > Artoo, you might want to read up on the Far Isle nuking. The UNSC nuked a UEG colony to put down an insurrection.
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> We know nothing about the situation other than the fact that it happened. Who knows what was going on down there to warrant the use of a nuke?

I don’t think anything truly warrants a nuke on civilians.

There were a few factors that led to the war.

Halo Encyclopedia Page 43

During colonial expansion, Humankind made some [Forerunner] discoveries that were kept as closely guarded secrets by the UNSC’s Officer of Naval Intelligence.

Halo Encyclopedia Page 43 (continued)

The complete power that ONI exercised over the control of research and information flow from these various discoveries showed their growing power within the UNSC and the Government’s desire to maintain control over the colonies. As Humanity expanded, the UNSC took every step necessary to keep its grip on the Outer Colonies. The Inner Colonies depended on the resources the Outer Colonies provided and the Outer Colonies depended on UNSC-maintained supply lines. By the 2400s, Outer and even many Inner Colonies soon began to question the often draconian interference of the UNSC in what was supposed to be a confederation of independently governed worlds.

Halo Encyclopedia Page 44

As the UNSC increasingly countermanded and complicated the functioning governments of the Inner and Outer colony worlds, unrest began to foment. Complaints were generally ignored by the UNSC until finally rebellion began. Minor uprising were common throughout the settling of the UNSC colonies but the superior forces of the UNSC had been able to put them down easily.

Halo Evolutions Page 428 - 429

It was the end of the Golden Age of human colonization. As of 2494 CE it was still a time of peace and prosperity, but Earth had begun to overreach its logistical ability to control her colonies. Several factors led to the destabilization of the more distant, or as later called, ‘Outer’ Colonies.
1. There were widely varying standards for recruitment to the Outer Colonies. ‘Colonization contractors’ were more interested in staking claims to valuable resource rights than providing the most-skilled personnel. Some people were illegally conscripted and others were law-breakers granted pardons if they agreed to go-all of which led to these colonists being less than absolutely loyal to Earth.
2. Some colonies struck out on their own, procuring by legal or illegal means of transport to farther-flung worlds, partially or wholly outside Earth’s control.
3. Continued taxes, levies and restricted trade practices by the CMA increased friction as the Outer Colonies received only a fraction of the benefits they were taxed for.
The situation was a problem of physical as well as psychological dimensions. Mathematically the volume of the sphere increases as its radius cubed and so the number of Outer Colonies grew. Given such a numerical advantage and the fact that they encapsulated the Inner Core worlds, there was the belief that Earth and her close colonies were literally surrounded by increasingly hostile forces.
Many now think this was a skewed perception and that given diplomacy and enough time, Earth and her Inner Colonies could have established more harmonious relationships with her farther-flung cousins. Others point out, however, that had there been no military action, the Outer Colonies might have risen to power and threatened the core worlds at the worst possible moment in human history.
All theoretical analysis aside, the United Earth Government and her colonies developed new policies and an increased military presence that would provoke further unfortunate responses from the Outer Colonies… and lead to an undeclared Civil War.

So we have colonies that were made up of illegally conscripted workers and criminals the UNSC wanted out of their sight. This ended up establishing groups of people who didn’t really have any true loyalty to Earth to begin with. Then as they began to build new homes for themselves, they discovered Forerunner structures which then piqued the interest of the Office of Naval Intelligence. In order to ensure their dominance over these extraterrestrial discoveries the UNSC tightened its grip over the colonies and when they protested the UNSC simply increased its military presence even further.

The UNSC interfered with the way the colonies were independently governed, The CMA began to overtax them which diminished their ability to make a living and when they protested the UNSC completely ignored them. This ultimately caused outrage and eventually secession, such as the colony world of Far Isle. When the UNSC couldn’t bring the population under control, they nuked the colony. There were no survivors.

It would seem it was all one big gamble. The UNSC could have done more to find a more peaceful solution but not everyone agreed. They knew either way, based on the Carver Findings, that something had to be done and in the end they chose to go with the military option. There is no way of knowing for sure if a peaceful solution was the better option, but I personally think it would have been preferable to nuking your colonies to death.

The ‘Insurrectionists’ are very akin to the barbarians of the Ancient era; they’re really not a big united force no matter what we think. Even the Insurrection itself simply refers to all rebel groups that fight, it doesn’t mean they’re united in their cause. I don’t think it’d be possible to wipe them out or appease them without totally giving them what they wanted.
And even then, a lot of them just want to kill UNSC people and soldiers, so…

Both sides have done plenty wrong.
The UNSC using nukes to suppress rebellions and not looking for more peaceful solutions to the growing discontent in the colonies.
But I do understand their use of certain methods when the Innies started resorting to terrorism to fight the war.

Bombing of the luxury liner National Holiday. 1500 civilians killed as the ship dropped into Reach’s atmosphere, with many other expenses from other ships due to the explosion peeling away the hull of every ship within a 2km radius.

The Freedom and Liberation Party set off a nuke at the Haven Arcology on Mamore, killing 2 million and injuring 8 million. Many of those injured had little hope of surviving, and those that did would have birth defects for generations.

Calypso Incident. The Calypso stopped a ship to inspect it for illegal goods. Insurrectionists then boarded the ship, murdered the crew, and then used the ship to cripple three others.

Neither side is the “good side”, but I definitely feel like the Insurrectionists have become more of the bad side. Whatever their motive was at first, resorting to terrorism and murdering millions of innocents across numerous colonies crushed any kind of respect or sympathy I had.

As for what the UNSC should do, I feel like it needs to reach out with peace. If a colony peacefully doesn’t budge (like those that openly turned Hood’s reconstruction efforts down) then they should leave it alone for a little while, let old greivances settle and really find a way to peacefully bring them back.
If a colony aggressively says no, such as Venezia refusing to help a crippled ship and shooting at the one that arrived to help, then thry should be put down. No nuking, though. Save as many civilians as you can.
Perhaps go the Spartan route and knock out leadership and cohesion, help distinguish between who is just there and who is foe.

Places that aren’t colonies should be treated similarly. Come across a group like the Rubble, and try the peaceful route.

I always thought it was a little extreme when Jennifer Cole (Preston Cole’s mother) was arrested and later released on one year parole for protesting taxes. Especially when you consider this was years before the Far Isle nuking and it seems this happened on Earth.

> > > Artoo, you might want to read up on the Far Isle nuking. The UNSC nuked a UEG colony to put down an insurrection.
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> > We know nothing about the situation other than the fact that it happened. Who knows what was going on down there to warrant the use of a nuke?
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> I don’t think anything truly warrants a nuke on civilians.

We just don’t know.

I’d rather have them convinced of thier wrong doing and be assimiliated back again into the UNSC than just outright killing them off.
You know, even the Innies might have the next Master Chief like character among them or even a Keyes or Halsey level intelligent person?

> > > > Artoo, you might want to read up on the Far Isle nuking. The UNSC nuked a UEG colony to put down an insurrection.
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> > > We know nothing about the situation other than the fact that it happened. Who knows what was going on down there to warrant the use of a nuke?
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> > I don’t think anything truly warrants a nuke on civilians.
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> We just don’t know.

We know it was called a UNSC atrocity, which sounds like it was they who were in the wrong.

I would have to say about this sensitive topic… No… the insurrectionists are at their core Humans… and after the catastrophic losses of the 30 year long Human-Covenant War… Humanity needs all the, for the lack of a better term, “biomass”.

They need as many Humans as possible, to co-operate and rebuild their Command, back to its former glory… however there are still those individuals that terrorize and demoralize, the possible co-ordination that can come across from the Human-Covenant War. These terrorists should be silenced and the UNSC should reach the populace of the outer colonies with greater comfort and leadership.

Having said that, I know that Lord Terrance Hood had tried to establish a peaceful solution to the insurrection… but without any recognition.

So in theory not all outer colonists, or labeled insurrectionists, should be annihilated but rather the serpents head, the small few who are really creating a problem, and spreading lies and insubordination, through the Human empire. Some “Innies” want just safe places for their families to live, supplies for their community and an equal standing for voting within the command… these are just the people who are trying to allow a equal environment for their families… while I do agree their are the other tyrannical, dominant terrotists who are using havoc nuclear warheads and the like to adhere fear and war… rather than balance and equality… these definitely, without question, are beyond redemption and must be assassinated.