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Christ have mercy they’re fine.
I believe this applies:
> Grimbrother One:
> …there is an important thing to remember here though (that I’ve said countless times before), canon is often times much more an exercise in “spirit of the law” vs “letter of the law.” The idea of the Halo universe in its most grand and fullest capacities should have room for the idea of different possibilities. The fact of the matter is that there will ALWAYS be “inconsistencies” brought about by a myriad of factors, from scope, to resources, to artistic differences. And while it might be frustrating to the more… unwaveringly-minded fans, **the truth is that the universe is usually much more enjoyably (or at least less stressful, lol) viewed with a bit of flexibility built in to one’s interpretation. Trust me, no one takes this stuff “more seriously” than yours truly, but one will only truly find joy and understanding in the greater narrative when they are able to transcend past certain details they might struggle to find a concrete explanation for.**How many times has Gotham City been rearranged? How many different origin stories has Spiderman had? Eventually, these iconic fiction franchises become much more than just the sum of their canonical parts, something that I’d certainly hope for Halo to stay around long enough to achieve. 
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> Grim
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> Christ have mercy they’re fine.
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> > Grimbrother One:
> > …there is an important thing to remember here though (that I’ve said countless times before), canon is often times much more an exercise in “spirit of the law” vs “letter of the law.” The idea of the Halo universe in its most grand and fullest capacities should have room for the idea of different possibilities. The fact of the matter is that there will ALWAYS be “inconsistencies” brought about by a myriad of factors, from scope, to resources, to artistic differences. And while it might be frustrating to the more… unwaveringly-minded fans, the truth is that the universe is usually much more enjoyably (or at least less stressful, lol) viewed with a bit of flexibility built in to one’s interpretation. Trust me, no one takes this stuff “more seriously” than yours truly, but one will only truly find joy and understanding in the greater narrative when they are able to transcend past certain details they might struggle to find a concrete explanation for.How many times has Gotham City been rearranged? How many different origin stories has Spiderman had? Eventually, these iconic fiction franchises become much more than just the sum of their canonical parts, something that I’d certainly hope for Halo to stay around long enough to achieve.
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> > Grim
You fail to see the point. 343i said that the reason Jul’s faction originally looked different is because of their different homeworld. I know designs change over time, I’m just disappointed they chose the Halo 4 models over the Halo 2: A models. They had a complete legitimate reason for the model change. If they were to have just said in the beginning “Models change over time” yada yada yada then I wouldn’t have made such a big deal about this. (I would have still been angry though) When I first saw the prologue for H2: A I was so happy when I saw that the Arbiter’s faction will retain their more original look though greatly disappointed at the E3 reveal when they went back to the atrociously ugly Halo 4 models. Also, it’s not just “fine”. I hate the fact that my favorite character looks completely hideous.
It’s too late at this point. There is nothing 343 or we can do to change it.
Their armor is ugly as sin
Should be changed for me. I don’t want to fight alongside with Storm Covenant Design vs Storm Covenant Design
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> Christ have mercy they’re fine.
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> > Grimbrother One:
> > …there is an important thing to remember here though (that I’ve said countless times before), canon is often times much more an exercise in “spirit of the law” vs “letter of the law.” The idea of the Halo universe in its most grand and fullest capacities should have room for the idea of different possibilities. The fact of the matter is that there will ALWAYS be “inconsistencies” brought about by a myriad of factors, from scope, to resources, to artistic differences. And while it might be frustrating to the more… unwaveringly-minded fans, the truth is that the universe is usually much more enjoyably (or at least less stressful, lol) viewed with a bit of flexibility built in to one’s interpretation. Trust me, no one takes this stuff “more seriously” than yours truly, but one will only truly find joy and understanding in the greater narrative when they are able to transcend past certain details they might struggle to find a concrete explanation for.How many times has Gotham City been rearranged? How many different origin stories has Spiderman had? Eventually, these iconic fiction franchises become much more than just the sum of their canonical parts, something that I’d certainly hope for Halo to stay around long enough to achieve.
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> > Grim
that is just an excuse to keep the wrong design. they have still time to give the Swords of Sanghelios and the Arbiter the right H2A mandibles style, we’re not asking that much.
Comepletely agree with OP. We need the Swords of Sanghelios and the Arbiter to have the Halo 2 Anniversary mandibles style, almost everybody was expecting them to be exactly like they are in the cutscenes featuring Locke and the Arbiter in H2A.
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> > > Grimbrother One:
> > > …there is an important thing to remember here though (that I’ve said countless times before), canon is often times much more an exercise in “spirit of the law” vs “letter of the law.” The idea of the Halo universe in its most grand and fullest capacities should have room for the idea of different possibilities. The fact of the matter is that there will ALWAYS be “inconsistencies” brought about by a myriad of factors, from scope, to resources, to artistic differences. And while it might be frustrating to the more… unwaveringly-minded fans, the truth is that the universe is usually much more enjoyably (or at least less stressful, lol) viewed with a bit of flexibility built in to one’s interpretation. Trust me, no one takes this stuff “more seriously” than yours truly, but one will only truly find joy and understanding in the greater narrative when they are able to transcend past certain details they might struggle to find a concrete explanation for.How many times has Gotham City been rearranged? How many different origin stories has Spiderman had? Eventually, these iconic fiction franchises become much more than just the sum of their canonical parts, something that I’d certainly hope for Halo to stay around long enough to achieve.
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> You fail to see the point. 343i said that the reason Jul’s faction originally looked different is because of their different homeworld. I know designs change over time, I’m just disappointed they chose the Halo 4 models over the Halo 2: A models. They had a complete legitimate reason for the model change. If they were to have just said in the beginning “Models change over time” yada yada yada then I wouldn’t have made such a big deal about this. (I would have still been angry though) When I first saw the prologue for H2: A I was so happy when I saw that the Arbiter’s faction will retain their more original look though greatly disappointed at the E3 reveal when they went back to the atrociously ugly Halo 4 models. Also, it’s not just “fine”. I hate the fact that my favorite character looks completely hideous.
exactly!!!
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> It’s too late at this point. There is nothing 343 or we can do to change it.
there is still time, they can do it.
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> Should be changed for me. I don’t want to fight alongside with Storm Covenant Design vs Storm Covenant Design
yep
While I love the look of the Swords of Sanghelios as they are, I wish they had a more traditional look. I appreciate the fact they are darker skinned, because descendants of 'Vadam are of a darker tone, but the mandible design bothers me a little. I will still imagine Thel to have his H2A face behind his helmet in Halo 5.
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> While I love the look of the Swords of Sanghelios as they are, I wish they had a more traditional look. I appreciate the fact they are darker skinned, because descendants of 'Vadam are of a darker tone, but the mandible design bothers me a little. I will still imagine Thel to have his H2A face behind his helmet in Halo 5.
why should we imagine? If they keep the H4 style in Halo 5 on the Arbiter they’ll never go back also for future games!!! We have to get the right mandibles style for him and the Swords of Sanghelios
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> > Christ have mercy they’re fine.
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> > > Grimbrother One:
> > > …there is an important thing to remember here though (that I’ve said countless times before), canon is often times much more an exercise in “spirit of the law” vs “letter of the law.” The idea of the Halo universe in its most grand and fullest capacities should have room for the idea of different possibilities. The fact of the matter is that there will ALWAYS be “inconsistencies” brought about by a myriad of factors, from scope, to resources, to artistic differences. And while it might be frustrating to the more… unwaveringly-minded fans, the truth is that the universe is usually much more enjoyably (or at least less stressful, lol) viewed with a bit of flexibility built in to one’s interpretation. Trust me, no one takes this stuff “more seriously” than yours truly, but one will only truly find joy and understanding in the greater narrative when they are able to transcend past certain details they might struggle to find a concrete explanation for.How many times has Gotham City been rearranged? How many different origin stories has Spiderman had? Eventually, these iconic fiction franchises become much more than just the sum of their canonical parts, something that I’d certainly hope for Halo to stay around long enough to achieve.
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> You fail to see the point. 343i said that the reason Jul’s faction originally looked different is because of their different homeworld. I know designs change over time, I’m just disappointed they chose the Halo 4 models over the Halo 2: A models. They had a complete legitimate reason for the model change. If they were to have just said in the beginning “Models change over time” yada yada yada then I wouldn’t have made such a big deal about this. (I would have still been angry though) When I first saw the prologue for H2: A I was so happy when I saw that the Arbiter’s faction will retain their more original look though greatly disappointed at the E3 reveal when they went back to the atrociously ugly Halo 4 models. Also, it’s not just “fine”. I hate the fact that my favorite character looks completely hideous.
No they never said that at all. The only thing that had something like that was the zealot armor, otherwise all elites have the potential to look like the new ones.
I wish people would stop saying to import models. That’s an absurd and stupid thing to say because it is a new game and of course they are going to make new models. Of course they aren’t just going to copy a model over in a brand new game.
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> I know there has been much discussion on this topic within the forums though I simply cannot help myself but to wonder the majorities opinion on this. It is not recent news that 343i decided to go with the Halo 4 Elite models for the Swords of Sanghelios rather than the more original looking Halo 2: Anniversary style Elite. The reason I have such a problem with this is because the Arbiter as well adopted the new Halo 4 elite model and he looks completely atrocious compared to his previous self in H2:A. (I’ll provide pictures below). Back when Halo 4 came out, after the massive community backlash regarding the new Elite models, 343i explained that the reason the Elites look so different is because they are not actually from Sanghelios. Jul and his faction of Elites are actually from Hesduros (I believe it’s called) and that’s why their anatomy is so different. 343i completely threw their original explanation out the window and decided to be lazy and give the Jul’s models to the Arbiter’s faction (Hell they didn’t even change the armor other than giving them sleeves…). A lot of people are not happy with this decision and as much as I’m hoping for a last minute change, we all know it probably won’t happen. The reason I made this thread is so I can see the opinions of others in terms of this topic and how they think of the Halo 4 Elite models compared to the more original looking models.
> Halo 4/ 5 Model:
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> Sangheili | Halo Alpha | Fandom You can clearly see in this picture how bulky and ‘different’ the Elites look here after playing the original Halo’s. The biggest problem I have with these Elites are the mandible style. They look completely atrocious and very worm-like.
> Here’s a better look at the mandible style: http://www.halopedia.org/images/8/8c/EliteFace.jpg and http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121203220537/halo/images/1/10/H4-Gek.jpg
> It can be shown here that they have used the exact same models (And armor…) for the Swords of Sanghelios: https://content.halocdn.com/media/Default/games/halo-5-guardians/media/campaign-sunaion/h5-guardians-cinematic-campaign-battle-of-sunaion-osiris-friends-and-family-7938215bd532460ab076edc517df1d66.jpg
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> Halo 2:A Model:
> http://static1.squarespace.com/static/52b4a2cfe4b0c23eed655fe1/53d01fe0e4b08b2c5986d10e/547a22dae4b04a873e37a21f/1417290459722/Groundhog_CoArbiterArm_final.jpg In this model you can clearly see the more narrow build. These models better fit the description of a Sangheili as a proud, intelligent and very cunning race.
> Here’s a better look at the mandible style: http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141014214816/halo/images/0/0f/H2A_Cinematic_GoldenArbiter2.jpg and http://www.343industries.org/forum/uploads/664d407b64ec3d62a599485e4ca47c4e.jpg
> This is a model in-game and how the Swords of Sanghelios should look in regards to the lore: http://assets.vg247.com/current//2014/11/master-chief-collection-halo-2-a-4.jpg
> Anyways, what do you guys think? Are you angry with the new change? Would you like 343i to change the models back to the more original looking ones? Which models do you prefer?
> Edit: I bolded the links so they’re easier to identify
essential extract some people could miss if they don’t want to read: “Back when Halo 4 came out, after the massive community backlash regarding the new Elite models, 343i explained that the reason the Elites look so different is because they are not actually from Sanghelios. Jul and his faction of Elites are actually from Hesduros (I believe it’s called) and that’s why their anatomy is so different. 343i completely threw their original explanation out the window and decided to be lazy and give the Jul’s models to the Arbiter’s faction.”
Also I see people still want a Sangheili race war. Because somehow all elites on the side of the Swords of Sanghelios are going to look like the original elites.
That’s not how it works. 343 never said that the new elites were just all from Hesduros. In fact they said the majority of people in Jul’s faction are from Sanghelios.
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> > > Christ have mercy they’re fine.
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> > > > Grimbrother One:
> > > > …there is an important thing to remember here though (that I’ve said countless times before), canon is often times much more an exercise in “spirit of the law” vs “letter of the law.” The idea of the Halo universe in its most grand and fullest capacities should have room for the idea of different possibilities. The fact of the matter is that there will ALWAYS be “inconsistencies” brought about by a myriad of factors, from scope, to resources, to artistic differences. And while it might be frustrating to the more… unwaveringly-minded fans, the truth is that the universe is usually much more enjoyably (or at least less stressful, lol) viewed with a bit of flexibility built in to one’s interpretation. Trust me, no one takes this stuff “more seriously” than yours truly, but one will only truly find joy and understanding in the greater narrative when they are able to transcend past certain details they might struggle to find a concrete explanation for.How many times has Gotham City been rearranged? How many different origin stories has Spiderman had? Eventually, these iconic fiction franchises become much more than just the sum of their canonical parts, something that I’d certainly hope for Halo to stay around long enough to achieve.
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> > You fail to see the point. 343i said that the reason Jul’s faction originally looked different is because of their different homeworld. I know designs change over time, I’m just disappointed they chose the Halo 4 models over the Halo 2: A models. They had a complete legitimate reason for the model change. If they were to have just said in the beginning “Models change over time” yada yada yada then I wouldn’t have made such a big deal about this. (I would have still been angry though) When I first saw the prologue for H2: A I was so happy when I saw that the Arbiter’s faction will retain their more original look though greatly disappointed at the E3 reveal when they went back to the atrociously ugly Halo 4 models. Also, it’s not just “fine”. I hate the fact that my favorite character looks completely hideous.
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> No they never said that at all. The only thing that had something like that was the zealot armor, otherwise all elites have the potential to look like the new ones.
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> I wish people would stop saying to import models. That’s an absurd and stupid thing to say because it is a new game and of course they are going to make new models. Of course they aren’t just going to copy a model over in a brand new game.
We’re not asking them to copy and paste the H2A models (although it would be better than copying and pasting the H5 Storm faction’s models to make the Swords of Sanghelios and the Arbiter) we’re asking them to make new models with the Halo 2 / 3 / Reach / Cea / 2a mandibles style. I like most of their new designs, but the H4 mandibles style is wrong for the Arbiter and the Swords of Sanghelios, that just isn’t his face, I also like the H4 elites style as long as it stays just for the Storm faction, so, I think they could still create new armors for them if they like so much to manage with designs! But they have to give them the right mandibles!
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> Also I see people still want a Sangheili race war. Because somehow all elites on the side of the Swords of Sanghelios are going to look like the original elites.
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> That’s not how it works. 343 never said that the new elites were just all from Hesduros. In fact they said the majority of people in Jul’s faction are from Sanghelios.
It is impossible that lots of people have the same “wrong” memories about 343 saying that the H4 elites came from a different planet, me and my brothers also remember that, so, they surely said it.
And that is precisely the problem that was answered by GrimBrotherOne. Art design and not having enough time is why the Arbiter looks that way. It’s as simple as that. At the same time the Covenant (NOT the “Storm”) can wear any armor they want. We have seen that in Escalation.
Look at the Universe forum’s version of this thread. Grim answers the question as to why they’re wearing the armor and it is because the Storm armor can be worn by all elite factions. Everybody wears it not just the Covenant.
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> > Also I see people still want a Sangheili race war. Because somehow all elites on the side of the Swords of Sanghelios are going to look like the original elites.
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> > That’s not how it works. 343 never said that the new elites were just all from Hesduros. In fact they said the majority of people in Jul’s faction are from Sanghelios.
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> It is impossible that lots of people have the same “wrong” memories about 343 saying that the H4 elites came from a different planet, me and my brothers also remember that, so, they surely said it.
That’s like my grandpa saying that he’s a World War II vet over and over again. It isn’t true, but he keeps saying it so I should believe him?
Just because you and many others received false information doesn’t mean they said it.
