I gotta ask, do you guys think the Prophets should return?
For we never really saw them in combat but once
and I bet with their tech they could provide a problem even in low numbers.
What do you guys think?
I think, canonically, the San-Shyuum as a race are on their way out. With their replacement homeworld an alien hive, and the few who were away in the line of fire of justifiably grumpy alien warriors, they’d be lucky if even a thousand are alive by Halo 4.
If they did appear in new games, I would like to see their pre-Covenant forms like they had during the time of the Forerunners, though.
No. There are new avenues to explore. And new bad guy “Prophets” showing up would make it seem like the original trilogy accomplished practically nothing
I would like to see a bit more about them? Silentium may answer it, but “Wages of Sin” has me wondering why the Prophet’s assumed the Mantle had been passed on to them? And why the Minister of Discovery is aware that they squandered it. They always seemed to know more than they ever let on, and I wonder if they were meant to help Humanity reclaim.
> I would like to see a bit more about them? Silentium may answer it, but “Wages of Sin” has me wondering why the Prophet’s assumed the Mantle had been passed on to them? And why the Minister of Discovery is aware that they squandered it. They always seemed to know more than they ever let on, and I wonder if they were meant to help Humanity reclaim.
> > I would like to see a bit more about them? Silentium may answer it, but “Wages of Sin” has me wondering why the Prophet’s assumed the Mantle had been passed on to them? And why the Minister of Discovery is aware that they squandered it. They always seemed to know more than they ever let on, and I wonder if they were meant to help Humanity reclaim.
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Problems
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The Ship contained a fragment of Mendicant Bias. Considering his consistent defection, I doubt Offensive Bias would have left him anywhere but the Ark. Offensive Bias also clearly states that he intends to take Bias to the Ark. The Terminals may be suspect, but until that is clarified that is what we know happened. So that fragment must have crashed their or directed itself there.
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The Librarians and the Bornstellar Didact re-unite. They know there is no cure, just Humanity claiming the Mantle and beating the flood. So trying to re-create the Alliance wouldn’t have helped them cure anything.
> > I would like to see a bit more about them? Silentium may answer it, but “Wages of Sin” has me wondering why the Prophet’s assumed the Mantle had been passed on to them? And why the Minister of Discovery is aware that they squandered it. They always seemed to know more than they ever let on, and I wonder if they were meant to help Humanity reclaim.
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The prophets would be fun to kill, the Prophet of Regret was easy. “Bash,Bash,Bash” explosion
Bias, they fixed your rank?
If they came back for a god reason that fit into the story then yes. Bringing back an antagonist post-conflict is a slippery slope in most stories if it isn’t done well.
> > > I would like to see a bit more about them? Silentium may answer it, but “Wages of Sin” has me wondering why the Prophet’s assumed the Mantle had been passed on to them? And why the Minister of Discovery is aware that they squandered it. They always seemed to know more than they ever let on, and I wonder if they were meant to help Humanity reclaim.
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> 1. The Ship contained a fragment of Mendicant Bias. Considering his consistent defection, I doubt Offensive Bias would have left him anywhere but the Ark. Offensive Bias also clearly states that he intends to take Bias to the Ark. The Terminals may be suspect, but until that is clarified that is what we know happened. So that fragment must have crashed their or directed itself there.
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> 2. The Librarians and the Bornstellar Didact re-unite. They know there is no cure, just Humanity claiming the Mantle and beating the flood. So trying to re-create the Alliance wouldn’t have helped them cure anything.
It wasn’t something to take this seriously, it was just a very good thought/discussion. not to mention you are picking this apart in hindsight.
- There was a fragment of MB on the ark, on the ship, and from some of the terminal dialogue I suspect there was another fragment somewhere.Huh?
I don’t understand what you are saying since we know there were two fragments were were torn asunder and ended up where they did due to OB.
2.There was a Cure seeing as the flood infected humans in primordium literally Died after Contracting the disease or didn’t manifest fully. MB asks the Primordial why Some humans die and others don’t, perplexed. The humans that Survived the infection were gathered by the forerunners and taken back to the labs. This was stated right after they met gamlpar.
Definitely not in combat, they’d get crushed by a twig. Plus most of them died on High Charity. The faction of Prophets that stayed on their home planet after the break off probably died when their sun went supernova.
> Definitely not in combat, they’d get crushed by a twig. Plus most of them died on High Charity. The faction of Prophets that stayed on their home planet after the break off probably died when their sun went supernova.
The Bestarium tells us that they might have been lying about that due to their mistrust of the Sangheili.
> 1. There was a fragment of MB on the ark, on the ship, and from some of the terminal dialogue I suspect there was another fragment somewhere.Huh?
> I don’t understand what you are saying since we know there were two fragments were were torn asunder and ended up where they did due to OB.
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> 2.There was a Cure seeing as the flood infected humans in primordium literally Died after Contracting the disease or didn’t manifest fully. MB asks the Primordial why Some humans die and others don’t, perplexed. The humans that Survived the infection were gathered by the forerunners and taken back to the labs. This was stated right after they met gamlpar.
1.Offensive Bias didn’t put him more than one place. He ended up in the Keyship by his own means, unless he was intentionally placed on the San Shyuum planet. Which is doubtful considering his consistent defection.
- The Primordial later states that the flood willingly infected or willingly left humans alone. It is a test, only those worthy survive. Halo: Primordium, pages 364 It even admits there is no cure.
I think it would be cool to have the San’Shyuum appear. . . Maybe even a character? Like perhaps a couple of surviving San’Shyuum control the Covenant Remnant (I’m referring to the Remnant that has the Brutes, not the Storm Covenant).
> > 2. The Primordial later states that the flood willingly infected or willingly left humans alone. It is a test, only those worthy survive. Halo: Primordium, pages 364 It even admits there is no cure.
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> And he would NEEEEVER lie, right? ESPECIALLY not to save his own -Yoink- by convincing the Forerunnners not to pursue the cure that might stop his ultimate plan…
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> If there was no cure, what were he and Mendicant doing on the Halo ring with their experiments on humans? Just playing around for -Yoink- and giggles?
> > 1. There was a fragment of MB on the ark, on the ship, and from some of the terminal dialogue I suspect there was another fragment somewhere.Huh?
> > I don’t understand what you are saying since we know there were two fragments were were torn asunder and ended up where they did due to OB.
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> > 2.There was a Cure seeing as the flood infected humans in primordium literally Died after Contracting the disease or didn’t manifest fully. MB asks the Primordial why Some humans die and others don’t, perplexed. The humans that Survived the infection were gathered by the forerunners and taken back to the labs. This was stated right after they met gamlpar.
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> 1.Offensive Bias didn’t put him more than one place. He ended up in the Keyship by his own means, unless he was intentionally placed on the San Shyuum planet. Which is doubtful considering his consistent defection.
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> 2. The Primordial later states that the flood willingly infected or willingly left humans alone. It is a test, only those worthy survive. Halo: Primordium, pages 364 It even admits there is no cure.
i honestly don’t see how you can say that so definitively.
It doesn’t matter what the primordial says seeing as there is a passage that shows the cure in action and MB himself asking why there is such a ratio between those that live or die. You honestly think that thing would waste decades of free time experimenting on something doesn’t exist?
It’s lied about several things before and seeing as it was saying all of this before it was killed i am rather sure it was lying.
> > I would like to see a bit more about them? Silentium may answer it, but “Wages of Sin” has me wondering why the Prophet’s assumed the Mantle had been passed on to them? And why the Minister of Discovery is aware that they squandered it. They always seemed to know more than they ever let on, and I wonder if they were meant to help Humanity reclaim.
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> Enlighten yourself
It does need some tweaking really. I think it is still a viable area for theorizing because the circumstances of a Keyship finding its way to the San-Shyuum Homeworld and not being recovered during reseeding are highly suspicious. I doubt something like that with the potential to disrupt the balance of power would be left around without a very good reason.
Mendicant Bias himself is a distributed Intelligence, so it isn’t that surprising for him to have had dormant and undetected shards of himself in several places even after Offensive got a hold of his core. That may involve a re-purposed Keyship.
Though with the ideas coming out now that there likely was no cure (I wrote this before Primordium came out) it can’t be to recreate the conditions that gave rise to the cure. Likely if there was any sort of plan going on to get these two races back together again then it would have been to achieve their prior greatness that rivalled the Forerunners. Afterall it was Human + San-Shyuum technologies and cunning that allowed them to rival the Forerunners in power.
> i honestly don’t see how you can say that so definitively.
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> It doesn’t matter what the primordial says seeing as there is a passage that shows the cure in action and MB himself asking why there is such a ratio between those that live or die. You honestly think that thing would waste decades of free time experimenting on something doesn’t exist?
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> It’s lied about several things before and seeing as it was saying all of this before it was killed i am rather sure it was lying.
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Look up the terminal. Offensive states that he should carve out Bias’s personality array and take it to the Ark for study, but doubts that Mendicant would do the same for him. Clear as day. Now could there be more? Yes, The only thing it hints at, is that maybe Offensive Bias should have been smart enough to destroy Mendicant and not save his personality. But Considering Mendicant lead the final charge as the Array fired… Why would anyone preserve him, and leave him near any organic life form without supervision? The Librarian was all about the long-view of things, I don’t see her leaving a fully functional keyship on a planet whose denizens consider humanity debased, and the cause of their imprisonment.
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They may be a cure, he might have lied. But The human’s that question the Primordial about the flood commit suicide. Some people have reasoned that it told them there was no cure, after they sacrificed a third of Humanity to stop the flood. I personally think that the Flood chose to retreat after Humanity was willing to commit mass suicide to try and stop them.
The test is about attaining the Mantle. When the Forerunner had their position threatened, they wiped out their creators, they then wiped out other claimants to the Mantle, and then when faced with the flood The Master Builder designed a weapon to exterminate life.
When the humans are faced with the flood? They sterilize infected planets without worrying about the consequences to themselves, and when they think they’ve cured it, they sacrificed a third of their population to save the galaxy.
Proves that they are worthy of the Mantle, or at least worthy of trying to attain it. Forerunners clearly fail.
I buy that there is no cure. How else did Riser remain immune to infection? He was covered in spores, yet only the Forerunners turned.
> > 2. They may be a cure, he might have lied. But The human’s that question the Primordial about the flood commit suicide. Some people have reasoned that it told them there was no cure, after they sacrificed a third of Humanity to stop the flood. I personally think that the Flood chose to retreat after Humanity was willing to commit mass suicide to try and stop them.
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> > The test is about attaining the Mantle. When the Forerunner had their position threatened, they wiped out their creators, they then wiped out other claimants to the Mantle, and then when faced with the flood The Master Builder designed a weapon to exterminate life.
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> > When the humans are faced with the flood? They sterilize infected planets without worrying about the consequences to themselves, and when they think they’ve cured it, they sacrificed a third of their population to save the galaxy.
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> > Proves that they are worthy of the Mantle, or at least worthy of trying to attain it. Forerunners clearly fail.
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> > I buy that there is no cure. How else did Riser remain immune to infection? He was covered in spores, yet only the Forerunners turned.
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> All of this applies to the Forerunners as much as it does humanity. They take a scorched Earth policy, sending Mendicant to eradicate their own planets that are infected, and commit mass suicide via the Halo Array. Also, Guilty Spark speaks of a cure in the Halo CE terminals. Why would they include that if it was total -Yoink-? And what exactly are the Primordial and Mendicant doing on the Halo ring with all those humans if they aren’t trying to “cure the cure”? Torturing them for fun?
> All of this applies to the Forerunners as much as it does humanity. They take a scorched Earth policy, sending Mendicant to eradicate their own planets that are infected, and commit mass suicide via the Halo Array. Also, Guilty Spark speaks of a cure in the Halo CE terminals. Why would they include that if it was total -Yoink!-? And what exactly are the Primordial and Mendicant doing on the Halo ring with all those humans if they aren’t trying to “cure the cure”? Torturing them for fun?
The Primordial says exactly that.
Pg 365
"Then why turn Mendicant Bias against its creators and encourage the Master builder to torture humans? Why allow this cruelty? Are you the fount of all misery?
“Misery is sweetness,” it said, as if confiding a secret.
As said before, one of them has been the main atonogist so it wouldn’t make sense to do that again.
Also, there only a thousand of them left but they are still part of the covenant remnant. So yeah, it would be cool to see them again but not in a big roll.