Should infinite be retold/remade?

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gonna be brutally honest here, infinites campaign is the absolute worst, just the way it’s told, how it plays, it’s all bad, and i really really think it should be done over. i think it can be done because clearly a lot of people complained enough to change the art style so i dont see why they cant do this too.

Update: like it or not this game is definitely one people wont forget anytime soon, maybe it’s shouldn’t be remade or anything like that, but i still can’t stand how terrible this game has been.

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Worst campaign of the franchise.

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if we are gonna start over then why infinite?

why not 4/reach/CE?

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because it’s just infinite, i actually wanna keep fighting promethians a little longer and get better banished, the banished in infinite suck, HW2 banished were way cooler they feel like some borderlands enemies now.

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Interesting but absolutely none of what you want seems the necessitate or benefit from rethreading infinite then all ypur problems are easier met by way of a sequel?.

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i dont want this story or direction with halo to continue. i feel it’s gonna get stupid with some time travel bs. also haven’t we learned a pretty heft amount about the forerunners, flood and the universe pre-firing of the halos and nowhere was there anything about a species surving the halos. the endless have no way of fitting in at all. i just want the story to kinda focus on atriox till we get a real ending to cortana, not just some off screen death bullcrap.

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dear god no. new game, not a reboot of infinite.

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why wheres this story gonna go that would be better than 5

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Ok fir enough probably should have said so when i asked haha.

I mean ya but we also had pretty concrete info that to dismiss much of what we learned after halo 3 so by that logic infinite isnt where we should cut our loses really it would be 4.
Rampancy wasnt madness until they retroactively decided that.
Also no 343i ge continues the direction of the prior hahahaha.

And you want the story to focus on the guy established to be the villain of the next game so I dint really see why your asking for another retcon over just a sequel.

We were forerunners until halo 4.
Prometheans werent present to fight the exact thing they were built to destroy.
What so what has ever fit the story?
Im just curious as to why infinite is the is the game you would reset.

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because it feels like it tried to do away with everything from 4 and 5 as quickly as possible, and i mean everything from the story to gameplay and artstyle. like why don’t we see more covenant weapons or some sort of banished version of them and enimies too like the grunt goblin from halo 5 and why aren’t thrusters built in spartan armor either. the thing about rampency is cortana was the first to have it for many people who probably get their story from the games, also isn’t she the only ai made from an actual person, that person being halsey no less, that could also be the reason it affected her differently. the flood wasn’t a threat in the time between the firing of the halos and halo wars, that seems to be the earliest contact with the flood. the prometheans were also hyper lethal and almost autonomous so maybe they would get in the way of the monitors and sentinels protecting and studying of them, so that could be the reason why they weren’t placed on any halos or other sheild worlds.

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Interesting for most that is exactly what 4 and 5 did anyway and for many the best element of the game as a whole.
Most of your issues can be boiled down to 2 things.

  1. The the sort of vague inarticulated conplaitns you had at the start of this thread before you dtarted providing reasoning.
    Counter the biggest issues they got from the fans.

And production issues.

No prizes for the why or how of things with regards to infinite.

At this point 343i just cant win they have created an even more fractured fanbase folling on from reaches design

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4 and 5 did not do the same they were still building off from bungies story, which was pretty much concluded so it seemed free to go any where. my problem with infinite is it just tried to end 4/5 story as fast as possible.

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Nah they did.
But thats not the topic you started and i dont feel like writing an essay.
Your entitled to your opinion but i dont agree.
4 retconed everything everything.
Halo 3s ending literally told you you were forerunner. The real world fossil record was intact.

Halo 4 made halo a fantasy about the magic couple that history now revolves around killed cortana and ended with didact warning the player. Copied cod in design
Halo 5 revived her, dropped the didact essentially reworked the entire sand box and core mechanics
Infinite dropped created story shoe horned in the banished from a spin off that retcons half the actions we did on the ark and wasnt consistent with the set up in escalations. Adds a new race that isnt nearly as damaging to the established canon as 4 or 5 was to the trilogy or the established canon from the FT.
Literally every 343i game rewrites history and abandons the prior games’ revalations wholesale.
Infinite isnt anomalous its just a perfect example of the rule.
If we are gonna reboot infinite is way past the point where any of your arguements for doing so took effect.
Havent liked any of the games barratives in a long time but saying i finite is a step too far just feel arbitrary for me personally not really sure setting the precedent of investing in plot being even less worth while as it already is, is good for or fair on the fans.

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im still staying on topic by pointing out how they were still on track with bungies games untill infinite. i think what spark meant was the forerunners reseeding worlds in a way makes humans and every living thing in the universe/galaxy, unsure of the scaling, children of the forerunners but humans were still meant to reclaim everything. i think they retconed humans being actual forerunners back in halo 3. 4 didn’t retcon anything other than the look, it absolutely took alot from cod no denying that but it was mostly just for multiplayer and it started in reach, bungie gets some blame too. 5 reviving cortana almost immediately after 4 was a bad call but the gameplay of 5 is much better than 4, i say it actually feels more like bungies halo but it just adds tons more. to be fair we didn’t see the ark destroyed, we only saw the ring exploding. what do mean the new race isn’t nearly as damaging? it’s literally immune to the halos and they made it seem the forerunner were so afraid of them when there is absolutely no mention of them ANYWHERE!!! Hell 343 actually mentioned the prometheans in CEA, something like that would’ve been nice in 5 or HW2, tries to say they found something on the ark that lead them to zeta halo but that was only in infinite too, their really just making this story as it’s going, but infinite is still a colossal mess to halo and 343s story.

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Well the official word was we were forerunners both in and post halo 3 up until 4.

Frank o conners terminals suggested other wise but dude wasnt in a place to make those calls until halo 4 where he started the space fantasy saga.

Reach was the start yes as already stated by us both mow haha.

I fundimental regect that halo 5 felt more like halo or added anything aside from mechanics that were intentionally avoided in Jamies designs.
It might have to you.
But to me it was anything but.

I would say late life cycle halo 4 cutsoms was way more halo than 5 ever was.

I wasnt talking about the ark getting destroyed? Not sure when i implied that sorry didnt mean to if i did.

I mean that nothing in the lore would suggest them not existing.

Whereas the entire trilogy would reject most of the additions of 4 and 5 being plausible or are outright retcons of old ideas into things they plainly were not.

By 343is own canon humanity was believed to be immune by the forerunners until we werent.
Also the endless as far as im aware are not said once to be immune to the array.
They survived the array and there are a good few solutions to just that in both pre and post 343i lore so it literally changed nothing.
Also surviving the array is interesting but it isnt all that new.
We knew that there were survivors on the lesser ark before infinite.
The ecumine were afraid of humanity at one point?
The council were surprisedore than scared.
The risk likely wasnt xalanyn it was likely a third outbreak of flood with a new space fairing race before the planned reclamation.

Again, no mention of the fish people,
Drenol, prometheans ancient space huma/forerunner war.
The covenant, the banished, the brutes, drones, 343i sub species existed or had any suggestion of existing until they did.

They did exactly that in halo 5…

No human activity on zeta halo was canon since prior to halo 5 coming out.

The story has been made up as it went since the start

Halo 3-infi ite are all a mess.
The one coherent throughline of well developed story was humanity and the forerunners legacy and you stated that particular retcon doesn’t bother you so you seem to placing a level of expectation on infinite that you dont on any other installment.

And thats fine.
Its your opinion.
I just dont wholely understand why things that have been done before are bad now but were acceptable then.

Incidentally @TRUe_REDEMPTI0N made a thrwad about a great video that outlines a few of the retcons.
Going into great detail on the top of humanity and forerunners. You may find it interesting.
It doesnt cover every retcon that is relevant to this conversation but it certainly says much of what i would mention if I could he bothered to write a full responce.

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As for a story by 343i that was easy to follow I rank it Infinite, 4, 5.

Halo infinite skipped a good chunk of the story, but the parts you played was easy to understand + audio logs made the story easy to follow by filling in some gaps. They goofed by not showing the endless tho.

Halo 4 was an easy to follow story. As long as you read every book, comic, anime that came out before Halo 4.

Halo 5. I’ll be real. i do not remember the details of this game. I remember the major bits like Cortana and AI are bad guys, but that’s it. Nothing memorable happened. Plus you had to read the books to even know who the 3 guys with chief were…

None were perfect or ideal stories TBH but I think Infinite came the closest to being good.

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or you could’ve watch fall of reach the short movie that tells the origins of cheif and blue team, and come on you go to sanghelios home of the main alien we’ve been mostly fighting against the whole series and we see buck again as a spartan. the issue isn’t that it’s hard to follow its just bad story telling, you have to find audio logs because the reat of the game does nothing to explain anything.

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People complained about how bad 4 and 5 were at release all the way to the next game so they got rid of some things and changed other things. Everyone for some reason then thought they were great halo games immediately after the next came out. Remember when people thought each was terrible? Me too. Halo 2 was also hated partly because you didn’t play as master chief for half the game, and now people think it is one of the greatest. I don’t get it.

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there’s was always more gameplay to them infinite feel like it takes everything from halo out and gives like 10% back in some crappy way. it’s not just problems with the story but also multiplayer.

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You should not give a player homework. If these things are not explained in the game than that’s just bad. As a person who plays only the video games, they were nothing more than 3 nobodies.

And I can’t tell you what we did there or what that added to the story.

Looked like buck, did not act like buck. He was just there. Why was he even a spartan, what happened to his team?

Audio logs are something in game that explain you things that happened off screen in the story. It’s worlds better than things being left out of the story and being told to go outside of a game and watch an anime to be filled in on what happened off screen.

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