"Should have been in at launch"

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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“Why should I thank them for _____ when it should have been in since launch” “MCC launched broken, and now I hate 343”

Picture this. You are at work. Your boss has asked you to do something. Being the lazy people we are you half -Yoink- it. When your boss inspects your work and notices it’s not done properly he would probably scold you and be disappointed; however, you go back and without him telling you to, you fix it. He looks at you and says, “You should have don’t it right the first time” and walks away. No thank you, no appreciation that you did the job.

Then your boss asks you to do another task. You do it to the best of your ability. But do to time constraints you can’t polish it off the way you wanted. Your boss looks at your work and says “should have been done better” and walks away. Over the next week you are working on improving the product, and every day you give your boss an update on your progress. And every single day he says the same thing “It should have been in since you turned it in”.

Could you guys imagine trying your best to please your boss, and it’s just never enough. Not the slightest bit of appreciation.

I’m not saying you guys have to say 343 is the best devs out there, and I’m not saying you have to forget about their mistakes. Just when someone does do something right, you thank them and show appreciation. You can’t hold everything they did wrong against them every time they did do something correctly, if you do, you will never see how often they do succeed.

Do I feel like things such as grifball, infection, race, post game medals should have been in since launch? yes. Do I feel like they hurt Halo 5 player base by not launching with those? yes. Am I going to complain that Halo 5 is the worst Halo even and that 343 sucks every time they update the game to make it better? No, that’s stupid.

Edit: Yes, feel free to say that it should have been here at launch, but thank them for releasing it. They really didn’t have to at this point. We’ve already lost most of the infection community so now it would be getting them back.

There are a ton of people that enjoy Halo 5. Most probably agree that these should have been in since launch. But there are also a ton of unappreciative players that feel entitled to all these features being in since launch. And you guys suck the soul out of these forums.

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Compared to prior installments, this game shipped bare. Plain and simple, and I don’t think it is out of bounds to hold a ‘Halo’ title to a certain expectation of things to do within-it.

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^Yup, it’s as simple as that.

And on top of that, a bunch of the maps are remixes. And a bunch are forge maps that make the game look like it came out in 2003.

And apparently, the Warzone Assault versions of maps are counted as separate in addition to the maps they are part of.

And then… Micro transactions. This game is built around micro transactions.

So we have:
-less content at launch
-missing content drizzled in which is almost entirely recycled content
-mictrotransactions

^Pretty easy to see what’s going on here.

It’s beyond obvious that the game is built from the ground up to drive micro transactions and maximize profits while minimizing content that actually had to be created

Old halo: build it big so the product makes a big profit

New halo: build it small (with the illusion of all this “free” “extra” content) so the product makes a big profit.

With that said, am I enjoying the game?

Yeah. Hell yeah I am and it keeps getting better. Arena is addictive as hell and warzone is a lot of fun too. I would even say the game is starting to bring back some of that H2 and H3 vibe.

But still, we had to go a long time with hardly any game modes or maps to play on.

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> Compared to prior installments, this game shipped bare. Plain and simple, and I don’t think it is out of bounds to hold a ‘Halo’ title to a certain expectation of things to do within-it.

That’s the main point most of the complaints that centre around “this should have been in from launch”, previous Halos have had what Halo 5 has had and much more. Halo 5 is only just nearing a state that Halos like Halo 2, 3 and Reach had from the get go.

I’m greatfull that 343 are still putting a lot of effort into Halo 5 all these months after launch, but it is to be expected and anything less is unacceptable to be honest. I just think that a lot of mostly older fans and some newer ones are affraid that if we don’t voice our displeasure with the way 343 has done some things, they may get complacent and begin to think that launching a game with bearly any content is okay.

With the idea in mind that “Meh we can add all that stuff in later as DLC” even though (as it has been said) Halo’s before Halo 5 have had so much more at launch.

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Halo 2 had EVERYTHING halo 1 had and more. Halo 3 had everything halo 2 had and new stuff. Halo 4 had everything halo 3 had…even reach had everything and more new stuff. Notice the trend here? Halo 5 has LESS game modes than halo 2 that came out in 2004 and halo 3 that came out in 2007… So halo 5 had jack for gametypes and many other staples missing. Sorry that I have standards? And I don’t just blindly love 343 when they punched me in the face over and over again. I’m not going to forget nor forgive. Also microtransactions… And remixes counted as full fledged new maps… I don’t. A new map is a new layout new theme and not 90% based on a existing map. Unless it’s lockout or guardian. Those maps as is we’re perfect and don’t need any changes. And after the mcc being broken for a long time… They sweep it under the rug don’t mention it at all in updates… How should I feel happy? Content? I feel robbed.

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Don’t give us that “time constraints” bs, OP. 343 had more money, more people, more overall resources, and the same amount of time as Bungie did to make a complete Halo game, yet they managed to only complete it half way.

Also, your analogy doesn’t work. We aren’t 343’s boss. Chances are 343 is pleasing their boss, Microsoft, which is probably why this is being allowed to continue and we haven’t seen anybody lose their job over how broken the MCC was.

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> Don’t give us that “time constraints” bs, OP. 343 had more money, more people, more overall resources, and the same amount of time as Bungie did to make a complete Halo game, yet they managed to only complete it half way.
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> Also, your analogy doesn’t work. We aren’t 343’s boss. Chances are 343 is pleasing their boss, Microsoft, which is probably why this is being allowed to continue and we haven’t seen anybody lose their job over how broken the MCC was.

If we don’t voice our opinions than they will not get it that you do NOT knowingly ship a half finished game and than give the rest of it in “free updates” I’d GLADLY pay 10 bucks for a nap pack with 5 new maps every 2 months.
I would have also gladly waited a month for the rest of the game modes to ship with the game at launch.

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The thing is 343 was pretty clear on what would be in the game at launch and other stuff would be added in monthly updates… no one forced you to buy the game at launch. You could have waited till the game had what you wanted in it. As far as “microtransactions” H5 has the best system in place out of most games. No game changing content is behind a pay wall and every one gets the updates regardless whether they bought req packs or not. Sure there should have been more stuff unlockable by game play. But the only way to stop this trend of adding later is not to buy the game at launch. Look at Hitman launching with like one or two missions I read somewhere and more missions will be added later… yoink that I say… not worth buying… but in H5 case I was satisfied with what the game had at launch and each update is making it better and giving me something to look forward to as I play. I hated the way you maxed out H4 in a few months flat. H5 has had way better longevity. Had a csr rank, xp rank, commendations, reqs, and cosmetics. I just wish there was more camp type achievements. The problem is most gamers just assume and don’t read so when they don’t get what they assumed they get ticked… not to mention the impatience in most gamers now a days… want it all now and for free if possible any thing else is unacceptable and will result in instant raging on the internet… each update announcement then the forums are flooded with its not good enough and they haven’t even received the content yet!!

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> The thing is 343 was pretty clear on what would be in the game at launch and other stuff would be added in monthly updates… no one forced you to buy the game at launch. You could have waited till the game had what you wanted in it. As far as “microtransactions” H5 has the best system in place out of most games. No game changing content is behind a pay wall and every one gets the updates regardless whether they bought req packs or not. Sure there should have been more stuff unlockable by game play. But the only way to stop this trend of adding later is not to buy the game at launch. Look at Hitman launching with like one or two missions I read somewhere and more missions will be added later… yoink that I say… not worth buying… but in H5 case I was satisfied with what the game had at launch and each update is making it better and giving me something to look forward to as I play. I hated the way you maxed out H4 in a few months flat. H5 has had way better longevity. Had a csr rank, xp rank, commendations, reqs, and cosmetics. I just wish there was more camp type achievements. The problem is most gamers just assume and don’t read so when they don’t get what they assumed they get ticked… not to mention the impatience in most gamers now a days… want it all now and for free if possible any thing else is unacceptable and will result in instant raging on the internet… each update announcement then the forums are flooded with its not good enough and they haven’t even received the content yet!!

Halo 5 has more longevity yet it only has 22 more levels than halo 4 did.

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> The thing is 343 was pretty clear on what would be in the game at launch and other stuff would be added in monthly updates… no one forced you to buy the game at launch. You could have waited till the game had what you wanted in it. As far as “microtransactions” H5 has the best system in place out of most games. No game changing content is behind a pay wall and every one gets the updates regardless whether they bought req packs or not. Sure there should have been more stuff unlockable by game play. But the only way to stop this trend of adding later is not to buy the game at launch. Look at Hitman launching with like one or two missions I read somewhere and more missions will be added later… yoink that I say… not worth buying… but in H5 case I was satisfied with what the game had at launch and each update is making it better and giving me something to look forward to as I play. I hated the way you maxed out H4 in a few months flat. H5 has had way better longevity. Had a csr rank, xp rank, commendations, reqs, and cosmetics. I just wish there was more camp type achievements. The problem is most gamers just assume and don’t read so when they don’t get what they assumed they get ticked… not to mention the impatience in most gamers now a days… want it all now and for free if possible any thing else is unacceptable and will result in instant raging on the internet… each update announcement then the forums are flooded with its not good enough and they haven’t even received the content yet!!

It took them months to add oddball a mode we have had since halo 1. Assault came in halo 2. (Every halo game minus halo 5 HAD THESE AT LAUNCH). Do I need to go on? I’m. Of going to accept mediocrity. The ONLY difference between this and EAs battlefront is that the other half of the game is “free” not including reqs which is subject to rng

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People tend to forget Halo 3 was on a new console and yet it had everything Halo 2 had an more. Heck, they scrapped their entire engine post-ODST and rebuilt it for Reach, and Reach had what Halo 3 did and more.

This “built from the ground up” stuff is bull. It’s not an entirely new engine. It’s the same engine but with tweaks upon tweaks. It’s been that way since Halo 1.

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> > The thing is 343 was pretty clear on what would be in the game at launch and other stuff would be added in monthly updates… no one forced you to buy the game at launch. You could have waited till the game had what you wanted in it. As far as “microtransactions” H5 has the best system in place out of most games. No game changing content is behind a pay wall and every one gets the updates regardless whether they bought req packs or not. Sure there should have been more stuff unlockable by game play. But the only way to stop this trend of adding later is not to buy the game at launch. Look at Hitman launching with like one or two missions I read somewhere and more missions will be added later… yoink that I say… not worth buying… but in H5 case I was satisfied with what the game had at launch and each update is making it better and giving me something to look forward to as I play. I hated the way you maxed out H4 in a few months flat. H5 has had way better longevity. Had a csr rank, xp rank, commendations, reqs, and cosmetics. I just wish there was more camp type achievements. The problem is most gamers just assume and don’t read so when they don’t get what they assumed they get ticked… not to mention the impatience in most gamers now a days… want it all now and for free if possible any thing else is unacceptable and will result in instant raging on the internet… each update announcement then the forums are flooded with its not good enough and they haven’t even received the content yet!!
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> It took them months to add oddball a mode we have had since halo 1. Assault came in halo 2. (Every halo game minus halo 5 HAD THESE AT LAUNCH). Do I need to go on? I’m. Of going to accept mediocrity. The ONLY difference between this and EAs battlefront is that the other half of the game is “free” not including reqs which is subject to rng

Like I said no one forced you to buy the game at launch. They were clear on what would be in the game. Don’t buy it if it doesn’t have what you want it’s that simple.

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> > > The thing is 343 was pretty clear on what would be in the game at launch and other stuff would be added in monthly updates… no one forced you to buy the game at launch. You could have waited till the game had what you wanted in it. As far as “microtransactions” H5 has the best system in place out of most games. No game changing content is behind a pay wall and every one gets the updates regardless whether they bought req packs or not. Sure there should have been more stuff unlockable by game play. But the only way to stop this trend of adding later is not to buy the game at launch. Look at Hitman launching with like one or two missions I read somewhere and more missions will be added later… yoink that I say… not worth buying… but in H5 case I was satisfied with what the game had at launch and each update is making it better and giving me something to look forward to as I play. I hated the way you maxed out H4 in a few months flat. H5 has had way better longevity. Had a csr rank, xp rank, commendations, reqs, and cosmetics. I just wish there was more camp type achievements. The problem is most gamers just assume and don’t read so when they don’t get what they assumed they get ticked… not to mention the impatience in most gamers now a days… want it all now and for free if possible any thing else is unacceptable and will result in instant raging on the internet… each update announcement then the forums are flooded with its not good enough and they haven’t even received the content yet!!
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> > It took them months to add oddball a mode we have had since halo 1. Assault came in halo 2. (Every halo game minus halo 5 HAD THESE AT LAUNCH). Do I need to go on? I’m. Of going to accept mediocrity. The ONLY difference between this and EAs battlefront is that the other half of the game is “free” not including reqs which is subject to rng
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> Like I said no one forced you to buy the game at launch. They were clear on what would be in the game. Don’t buy it if it doesn’t have what you want it’s that simple.

you accept mediocrity. i have every halo game to exist. im i just going to accept and support 343 based on their track record? hell no. but i will give them feedback so halo 6 actually ships as a WHOLE FINISHED game with EVERY mode.

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> > > The thing is 343 was pretty clear on what would be in the game at launch and other stuff would be added in monthly updates… no one forced you to buy the game at launch. You could have waited till the game had what you wanted in it. As far as “microtransactions” H5 has the best system in place out of most games. No game changing content is behind a pay wall and every one gets the updates regardless whether they bought req packs or not. Sure there should have been more stuff unlockable by game play. But the only way to stop this trend of adding later is not to buy the game at launch. Look at Hitman launching with like one or two missions I read somewhere and more missions will be added later… yoink that I say… not worth buying… but in H5 case I was satisfied with what the game had at launch and each update is making it better and giving me something to look forward to as I play. I hated the way you maxed out H4 in a few months flat. H5 has had way better longevity. Had a csr rank, xp rank, commendations, reqs, and cosmetics. I just wish there was more camp type achievements. The problem is most gamers just assume and don’t read so when they don’t get what they assumed they get ticked… not to mention the impatience in most gamers now a days… want it all now and for free if possible any thing else is unacceptable and will result in instant raging on the internet… each update announcement then the forums are flooded with its not good enough and they haven’t even received the content yet!!
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> > It took them months to add oddball a mode we have had since halo 1. Assault came in halo 2. (Every halo game minus halo 5 HAD THESE AT LAUNCH). Do I need to go on? I’m. Of going to accept mediocrity. The ONLY difference between this and EAs battlefront is that the other half of the game is “free” not including reqs which is subject to rng
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> . They were clear on what would be in the game.

No they weren’t. They were intentionally misleading.

Were they clear that 6 months down the road there would only be some forge maps in BTB?

Or that half the non-forge maps would be recycled pre-existing maps or that WZ assault maps apparently count as separate maps than the ones they came from?

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> > > > The thing is 343 was pretty clear on what would be in the game at launch and other stuff would be added in monthly updates… no one forced you to buy the game at launch. You could have waited till the game had what you wanted in it. As far as “microtransactions” H5 has the best system in place out of most games. No game changing content is behind a pay wall and every one gets the updates regardless whether they bought req packs or not. Sure there should have been more stuff unlockable by game play. But the only way to stop this trend of adding later is not to buy the game at launch. Look at Hitman launching with like one or two missions I read somewhere and more missions will be added later… yoink that I say… not worth buying… but in H5 case I was satisfied with what the game had at launch and each update is making it better and giving me something to look forward to as I play. I hated the way you maxed out H4 in a few months flat. H5 has had way better longevity. Had a csr rank, xp rank, commendations, reqs, and cosmetics. I just wish there was more camp type achievements. The problem is most gamers just assume and don’t read so when they don’t get what they assumed they get ticked… not to mention the impatience in most gamers now a days… want it all now and for free if possible any thing else is unacceptable and will result in instant raging on the internet… each update announcement then the forums are flooded with its not good enough and they haven’t even received the content yet!!
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> > > It took them months to add oddball a mode we have had since halo 1. Assault came in halo 2. (Every halo game minus halo 5 HAD THESE AT LAUNCH). Do I need to go on? I’m. Of going to accept mediocrity. The ONLY difference between this and EAs battlefront is that the other half of the game is “free” not including reqs which is subject to rng
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> > Like I said no one forced you to buy the game at launch. They were clear on what would be in the game. Don’t buy it if it doesn’t have what you want it’s that simple.
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> you accept mediocrity. i have every halo game to exist. im i just going to accept and support 343 based on their track record? hell no. but i will give them feedback so halo 6 actually ships as a WHOLE FINISHED game with EVERY mode.

They aren’t going to listen to the people here. The only way to show them what you call unfinished game is to not buy it at launch and not until it has what you want.

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> > > > The thing is 343 was pretty clear on what would be in the game at launch and other stuff would be added in monthly updates… no one forced you to buy the game at launch. You could have waited till the game had what you wanted in it. As far as “microtransactions” H5 has the best system in place out of most games. No game changing content is behind a pay wall and every one gets the updates regardless whether they bought req packs or not. Sure there should have been more stuff unlockable by game play. But the only way to stop this trend of adding later is not to buy the game at launch. Look at Hitman launching with like one or two missions I read somewhere and more missions will be added later… yoink that I say… not worth buying… but in H5 case I was satisfied with what the game had at launch and each update is making it better and giving me something to look forward to as I play. I hated the way you maxed out H4 in a few months flat. H5 has had way better longevity. Had a csr rank, xp rank, commendations, reqs, and cosmetics. I just wish there was more camp type achievements. The problem is most gamers just assume and don’t read so when they don’t get what they assumed they get ticked… not to mention the impatience in most gamers now a days… want it all now and for free if possible any thing else is unacceptable and will result in instant raging on the internet… each update announcement then the forums are flooded with its not good enough and they haven’t even received the content yet!!
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> > > It took them months to add oddball a mode we have had since halo 1. Assault came in halo 2. (Every halo game minus halo 5 HAD THESE AT LAUNCH). Do I need to go on? I’m. Of going to accept mediocrity. The ONLY difference between this and EAs battlefront is that the other half of the game is “free” not including reqs which is subject to rng
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> No they weren’t. They were intentionally misleading.
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> Were they clear that 6 months down the road there would only be some forge maps in BTB?
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> Or that half the non-forge maps would be recycled previous maps or that WZ assault maps apparently count as separate maps than the ones they came from?

they said “18 new maps over the coming months”. not “mostly remixes and the new maps appear in warzone only”

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> > > > The thing is 343 was pretty clear on what would be in the game at launch and other stuff would be added in monthly updates… no one forced you to buy the game at launch. You could have waited till the game had what you wanted in it. As far as “microtransactions” H5 has the best system in place out of most games. No game changing content is behind a pay wall and every one gets the updates regardless whether they bought req packs or not. Sure there should have been more stuff unlockable by game play. But the only way to stop this trend of adding later is not to buy the game at launch. Look at Hitman launching with like one or two missions I read somewhere and more missions will be added later… yoink that I say… not worth buying… but in H5 case I was satisfied with what the game had at launch and each update is making it better and giving me something to look forward to as I play. I hated the way you maxed out H4 in a few months flat. H5 has had way better longevity. Had a csr rank, xp rank, commendations, reqs, and cosmetics. I just wish there was more camp type achievements. The problem is most gamers just assume and don’t read so when they don’t get what they assumed they get ticked… not to mention the impatience in most gamers now a days… want it all now and for free if possible any thing else is unacceptable and will result in instant raging on the internet… each update announcement then the forums are flooded with its not good enough and they haven’t even received the content yet!!
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> > > It took them months to add oddball a mode we have had since halo 1. Assault came in halo 2. (Every halo game minus halo 5 HAD THESE AT LAUNCH). Do I need to go on? I’m. Of going to accept mediocrity. The ONLY difference between this and EAs battlefront is that the other half of the game is “free” not including reqs which is subject to rng
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> No they weren’t. They were intentionally misleading.
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> Were they clear that 6 months down the road there would only be some forge maps in BTB?
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> Or that half the non-forge maps would be recycled previous maps or that WZ assault maps apparently count as separate maps than the ones they came from?

They said btb wouldn’t be in the game at launch and would be added later… which is what they did. I can agree only getting forge maps is pretty lame.

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> > > > > The thing is 343 was pretty clear on what would be in the game at launch and other stuff would be added in monthly updates… no one forced you to buy the game at launch. You could have waited till the game had what you wanted in it. As far as “microtransactions” H5 has the best system in place out of most games. No game changing content is behind a pay wall and every one gets the updates regardless whether they bought req packs or not. Sure there should have been more stuff unlockable by game play. But the only way to stop this trend of adding later is not to buy the game at launch. Look at Hitman launching with like one or two missions I read somewhere and more missions will be added later… yoink that I say… not worth buying… but in H5 case I was satisfied with what the game had at launch and each update is making it better and giving me something to look forward to as I play. I hated the way you maxed out H4 in a few months flat. H5 has had way better longevity. Had a csr rank, xp rank, commendations, reqs, and cosmetics. I just wish there was more camp type achievements. The problem is most gamers just assume and don’t read so when they don’t get what they assumed they get ticked… not to mention the impatience in most gamers now a days… want it all now and for free if possible any thing else is unacceptable and will result in instant raging on the internet… each update announcement then the forums are flooded with its not good enough and they haven’t even received the content yet!!
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> > > > It took them months to add oddball a mode we have had since halo 1. Assault came in halo 2. (Every halo game minus halo 5 HAD THESE AT LAUNCH). Do I need to go on? I’m. Of going to accept mediocrity. The ONLY difference between this and EAs battlefront is that the other half of the game is “free” not including reqs which is subject to rng
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> > > Like I said no one forced you to buy the game at launch. They were clear on what would be in the game. Don’t buy it if it doesn’t have what you want it’s that simple.
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> > you accept mediocrity. i have every halo game to exist. im i just going to accept and support 343 based on their track record? hell no. but i will give them feedback so halo 6 actually ships as a WHOLE FINISHED game with EVERY mode.
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> They aren’t going to listen to the people here. The only way to show them what you call unfinished game is to not buy it at launch and not until it has what you want.

we would need a wide organized boycott. one or two people would not do much im talking mass twitter wide no halo 6 buying until X appears

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> “Why should I thank them for _____ when it should have been in since launch” “MCC launched broken, and now I hate 343”
> Picture this. You are at work. Your boss has asked you to do something. Being the lazy people we are you half -Yoink- it. When your boss inspects your work and notices it’s not done properly he would probably scold you and be disappointed; however, you go back and without him telling you to, you fix it. He looks at you and says, “You should have don’t it right the first time” and walks away. No thank you, no appreciation that you did the job.
> Then your boss asks you to do another task. You do it to the best of your ability. But do to time constraints you can’t polish it off the way you wanted. Your boss looks at your work and says “should have been done better” and walks away. Over the next week you are working on improving the product, and every day you give your boss an update on your progress. And every single day he says the same thing “It should have been in since you turned it in”.
> Could you guys imagine trying your best to please your boss, and it’s just never enough. Not the slightest bit of appreciation.
> I’m not saying you guys have to say 343 is the best devs out there, and I’m not saying you have to forget about their mistakes. Just when someone does do something right, you thank them and show appreciation. You can’t hold everything they did wrong against them every time they did do something correctly, if you do, you will never see how often they do succeed.
> Do I feel like things such as grifball, infection, race, post game medals should have been in since launch? yes. Do I feel like they hurt Halo 5 player base by not launching with those? yes. Am I going to complain that Halo 5 is the worst Halo even and that 343 sucks every time they update the game to make it better? No, that’s stupid.
> There are a ton of people that enjoy Halo 5. Most probably agree that these should have been in since launch. But there are also a ton of unappreciative players that feel entitled to all these features being in since launch. And you guys suck the soul out of these forums.

given to that there was already content finished before launch (which have been added months later) it rather seems like they did not even try to do their best

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Fact of the matter is that it’s true, correct?

When money is involved, people only care why you screwed up… the first time. You lose the ability to explain what went wrong when it’s just a transaction and you aren’t friends. You lose the luxury of explaining yourself and receiving forgiveness like you would from wronging them personally. In their mind, you keep screwing up and expect more and more forgiveness but you don’t want to stop screwing up… How is that fair?

^That’s just the way people think when money is involved and it’s unrealistic to expect otherwise, especially if you’re a subsidiary of a multi-billion dollar company…

Look, I want to give 343 the benefit of the doubt all the time, but I also don’t want to pat them on the back for their mistakes. Starting with a new engine is hard, and building everything from the ground up with no legacy code literally means your game won’t have as much content in 2x the amount of time porting Halo 4’s engine would take. You spend more time learning and copying down everything than you do actually building the game.

But there’s the simple fact that expecting sympathy without empathy is very unrealistic. You learn this… as an adult actually (to be honest I learned it in high school.) I struggle with depression and I used to walk around my school all day looking like I wanted to kill myself and no, nobody cares why. All they care about is what they see; a brooding mess of a person. If you stab some guy with a pen at work, nobody is going to care you saved a puppy the other day. Likewise, not everyone is going to be a saint when they feel like you wasted their money too many times; in fact it is MORE likely they won’t care why a second time. People are shallow. Stop living for what you get out of them. I’m pretty sure 343 doesn’t.

On the bright side, criticism at least means people are thinking about you and/or believe in your ability to fulfill a task, regardless of how crappy they are at showing it. 343 had a new engine when making Halo 5 and it was only after playing it myself I could give them the benefit of the doubt for that at the time. But my sympathy comes from a place of empathy. I work on games all the time. I’m an exception. It’s STILL not realistic.