Settling the Controller vs KBM debate with data

[Spikanor]

@ZeroSine2760

Infinte has had 20 million players. It peaked at 270,000 concurrent players. We can use an even lower number and say it is now down to 200,000 concurrent players. Even if 100 examples of cheaters were caught on video and we say each 100 was a different player that is 0.05% of players caught cheating.

is still a problem.
and its becoming only a bigger problem when there are more players are playing the game again.
since there are starting to fix the big problems now more that a lot off things make it almost not playable with BTB was broken good.
and when there are adding new content to the game a lot more players maybe come back and that means also that the cheaters are coming back more.
its now not more a big problem any more but there still need to fix it and the only solution is chance the crossplay setting from force to option.
since there are no other solutions to fix the cheaters problem since anti cheat software is not going to help at all since there are no 100% versions.
and at the same time you fix also more the controler vs KBM problem at the same time.

@ZeroSine2760

I don’t mean this to be rude but is English not your first language?

its not my first language

@ZeroSine2760

You want Crossplay to be optional. That means you want a Controller only game mode and a KBM only game mode with the option to play Crossplay. That is exactly what I am saying when I say separate game modes. I am literally agreeing with you and you keep arguing with me.

is it me or are you not smart? its not be mean rude but for some wierd reason you are asking it more sorry for if its mean rude.
there is no point to split the controler vs KBM players.
since on the Xbox players can use the controler or the mouse and keyboard but its not much there going to use the mouse and keyboard on it more.
on the PC you have a lot off players that use the Xbox controler since there is a Xbox USB stick that lets you conect your controler to your PC.
maybe you forget that part more.
still if there was a option to split the KBM and controler players then there is still 1 big problem left and thats the big cheater problem and thats more a platform problem and not a controler vs KBM since cheaters on the PC platform can still then cheat in multiplayer with the controler connect to the PC.

so thats not going do a thing at all.
what can help and that is something that has been suggest on the cheating thread.
make crossplay a option to turn off and chance then some things on the PC platform more.

@ZeroSine2760

I have understood this from the first time you said it.

if you understand it then why keep bring it back always since its getting really anoying more.
since so far you still not understand it since you keep bring it back alway’s.

@ZeroSine2760

Your assumptions are not correct. Crossplay is not overrun by cheaters

wierd then explane please the 850.000 accounts bann from warzone from launch t/m 23 december 2021
and the lot reports from a lot off gameing site’s like IGN report there is a big cheater problem in Cod Warzone.
and not tell i play no cod since any player knows that there are all using cheats that have been banned.
and the same IGN has that done with the halo infinite cheaters problem also report there are cheaters in halo infinite.
and no crossplay is not overrun its thanks to crossplay more that the xbox platform players need to deal with the cheater problem from the PC platform what there not wane have.

@ZeroSine2760

No. The possibility of something happening does not mean the worst case will happen.

there are things you can tell its going end really bad by looking good in the things.
the only thing back then was that there was a small option in the air if crossplay was not force at the start its going end not that worse.
but since its force crossplay and people have been hoping back then it was becoming a option like in MCC the worst senario has come out for all the players also Xbox players.

@ZeroSine2760

You have no idea what you are talking about. You are making wild assumptions about something you admit you haven’t even played.

its wierd.
how do you play a game then when its still in development?
since back in 2018 people not wane see crossplay become force and more a option in halo infinite since back then it was the first time also that MCC got crossplay so the point from MCC crossplay chance fast to halo infinite that was still in development that there not wane see crossplay in halo infinite and the problems with Controler VS KBM a lot off people not like.

[ZeroSine2760]

@Spikanor

is still a problem.

Yes, A tiny one.

@Spikanor

and its becoming only a bigger problem when there are more players are playing the game again.

No. That is your opinion with nothing to back it up. You don’t know that any specific thing will bring more cheaters.

@Spikanor

its not my first language

Ok, that helps explain why were are not understanding each other.

@Spikanor

is it me or are you not smart?

Its you. I am not having a hard time understanding you due to lack of intelligence, I am having a hard time because you are saying things that don’t contextually make sense due to the language barrier.

@Spikanor

on the PC you have a lot off players that use the Xbox controler since there is a Xbox USB stick that lets you conect your controler to your PC.

Are you just arguing that PC should not be allowed? This is where I am not following you. We have been discussing KBM vs Controller in this thread but it sounds like you are just discussing Xbox vs PC regardless of input.

@Spikanor

still if there was a option to split the KBM and controler players then there is still 1 big problem left and thats the big cheater problem

Again, not factual. This is your opinion and to say that none of us on PC should be here because of a very very very small percentage of cheaters is messed up.

@Spikanor

if you understand it then why keep bring it back always since its getting really anoying more.
since so far you still not understand it since you keep bring it back alway’s.

Because you keep trying to claim an issue exists that you have never experienced on this game. You don’t know anything about the prevalence of cheating in this game yet you make it sound like the biggest problem in the game.

@Spikanor

wierd then explane please the 850.000 accounts bann from warzone from launch t/m 23 december 2021

Not Halo

@Spikanor

and the lot reports from a lot off gameing site’s like IGN report there is a big cheater problem in Cod Warzone.

Not Halo

@Spikanor

and the same IGN has that done with the halo infinite cheaters problem also report there are cheaters in halo infinite.

Again, never said there are no cheaters. There are! They are a small nearly completely unnoticed percentage of the population.

@Spikanor

and no crossplay is not overrun its thanks to crossplay more that the xbox platform players need to deal with the cheater problem from the PC platform what there not wane have.

The actual odds of you running into a cheater is almost zero. You are wildly exaggerating the problem.

@Spikanor

how do you play a game then when its still in development?

The game has been live for 3 months and you said you haven’t played multiplayer still. Not sure what you are trying to say here.

@Spikanor

since back in 2018 people not wane see crossplay become force and more a option in halo infinite since back then it was the first time also that MCC got crossplay so the point from MCC crossplay chance fast to halo infinite that was still in development that there not wane see crossplay in halo infinite and the problems with Controler VS KBM a lot off people not like.

This is your opinion. I’ve always wanted to see Halo on PC. Cleary many others do to since so many PC players got the game. Just because you don’t want something, doesn’t mean others don’t want it.

Cheaters exist and that is a part of life. Hopefully 343 can manage it well and minimize the damage cheaters do but advocating for an entire community of gamers to be segregated or removed from a game because of the actions of a few is not cool. You need to reevaluate your views. If you replaced everything you said with a race of people, you would be acting blatantly racist. You are discriminating against an entire community of people based on the actions of a few people.

[Spikanor]

@ZeroSine2760

Are you just arguing that PC should not be allowed?

no since its also usefull for the heatsets since i also have one off the xbox usb sticks only for conecting my heatset to the pc.

@ZeroSine2760

This is where I am not following you. We have been discussing KBM vs Controller in this thread but it sounds like you are just discussing Xbox vs PC regardless of input.

no you wane split the Controler and KBM in diffrend playlist that controler players only play with controler players and KBM with other KBM players i am right.
since thats not going to work since there is still a platform problem there are what most off the players not wane see.

@ZeroSine2760

This is your opinion and to say that none of us on PC should be here because of a very very very small percentage of cheaters is messed up.

i am happy with it more if it was staying on the xbox only and not was going to the pc since a lot off problems there are now have never come in the first place at all.
and same with some other players.
and yes its my opinion and that from some others also more so.

@ZeroSine2760

Because you keep trying to claim an issue exists that you have never experienced on this game.

you not have to experienced your self at all to know there are problems coming since if you look good on other game’s like COD warzone that tells much more about it what will come.

@ZeroSine2760

You don’t know anything about the prevalence of cheating in this game yet you make it sound like the biggest problem in the game.

for any xbox console player is cheating a problem and its only become more a big problem when there add a force system like crossplay to play with a other platform that has the highst risk level there is about cheating and has been knowing as a big problem more for the console players since there is there have the highst risk level on cheating level then any other platform.

@ZeroSine2760

Not Halo

still explane why cod warzone has that many accounts bann.
since you told crossplay was not overrun by cheaters so explan that please.
all is it not halo i wane hear it from you.
or is it more you cant explane it why 850.000 acounts have been banned since there are all PC cheaters maybe.

@ZeroSine2760

Again, never said there are no cheaters. There are! They are a small nearly completely unnoticed percentage of the population.

if its not big its still a big problem for the xbox players community that there are cheaters in halo all is it small is it still a problem for then since there are all from the PC.

@ZeroSine2760

The actual odds of you running into a cheater is almost zero. You are wildly exaggerating the problem.

since most off cheaters quit since the population is not big.
if its becoming hot more like Warzone the cheater invest is becoming also big.
so there need to fix it now good by making crossplay a option and stop with the force option.

@ZeroSine2760

The game has been live for 3 months and you said you haven’t played multiplayer still. Not sure what you are trying to say here.

3 month’s yea.
since i make it all clear in 2018 like with others if there make it force crossplay i am not going to play the multiplayer if there release it.

@ZeroSine2760

This is your opinion. I’ve always wanted to see Halo on PC. Cleary many others do to since so many PC players got the game. Just because you don’t want something, doesn’t mean others don’t want it.

you got it wrong buddy.
https://forums.halowaypoint.com/t/confirmed-halo-infinite-multiplayer-will-be-f2p/250805 2020 people got all the wrong feeling about the cheaters are coming.

https://forums.halowaypoint.com/t/please-no-free-to-play/246658 2020 again people got the wrong feeling again off the cheaters problem.

Edit: this is the old crossplay discusion from 2018 https://forums.halowaypoint.com/t/please-no-cross-play/254025 if you read it good that the KBM vs Controler has took part all in the development time from the game and same go’s for the hackers warnings you get.

@ZeroSine2760

Cheaters exist and that is a part of life. Hopefully 343 can manage it well and minimize the damage cheaters do but advocating for an entire community of gamers to be segregated or removed from a game because of the actions of a few is not cool.

there cant do anything since nobody cant stop then for good.
there is only 1 other way that can help a lot and that is to make it hard to creat account’s for it.
but since thats not going to work since you have steam more and so long there not make steam accounts stronger 343 cant do anything about it.
and anti cheat is worthless since there need 2 or 3 day’s to bypass it so its not going to work.

[ElnojMLG]

ur talking to someone who is onyx before the reset and has played for 8 years. That is the worst advice given that you are a controller player.

[Megakillertron]

Lol.

Hey guys look over here! This guy was Onyx, can you believe it? He must be so good because it’s super difficult and not totally achievable to reach Onyx!

Hold on, he played for 8 years too? Well that just seals the deal. We all know length of time played is equal to being more important!

[Jake_Lahey]

Good stuff man. I hope 343 sees this… Maybe theyll add “mouse magnetism” back into the settings… or at least explain why they silently removed it…

[Spikanor]

ow really so that means a lot off other players that have also onyx rank are important.
and what about the other people that have played more then 8 year are there not more important then him.

lucky i was joking more around since what his rank is or how long he has played all a lot off others give notting about status like that anymore.

[deadlygerbill]

So play to your weakness?. Its logical sense but you know you do you. If controllers are better closer dont rush them.

[ElnojMLG]

if u think it is easy to hit onyx on crossplay with kbm do it urself

[ElnojMLG]

if u were good please do it on kbm i can guarantee u its not easy and u will mostly miss ur shots like a monkey

[Spikanor]

sorry i play halo only on the Xbox and not on the PC.

i have been playing my 14 years off halo game’s on the xbox console’s so i give notting about the KBM crap.
same with ranked playlist’s i give notting about then since i have been playing more 14 years only social playlist’s in the halo game’s more.

and in all my 14 years off playing halo game’s your the first one that thinks onyx rank means something that it give’s you a status or so and people will give you respect off your high rank.
then we need to respect a lot off people since a lot off people that play ranked have onyx rank more.

[ItzTheDay]

I’m pretty sure that 90% of console players here play on a couch and TV. The game with controller is letting them play this casually, relaxing with their feet propped up. We’re getting wrecked by these type of gamers simply because they’re using controller.

[Megakillertron]

Why would i want to subject myself to ranked again, for a badge? So i can come on the forums and say ‘my opinion carries more weight because i got this badge’?

I play controller. I like playing controller. I’m not interested in playing with mnk again. If i did it’d probably be much too easy anyway.

[Megakillertron]

Heaven forbid the vast majority want to play this casually. You might wanna start playing with a controller.

Are you in a clan? What league are you playing in?

[ItzTheDay]

A clan? A league? This game is not heading in that direction simply because of what you just said, “vast majority want to play this casually”. HCS is a joke, more than half the viewers are just viewing to get the drops. It’s like watching recreational sports better yet, tee-ball.

[Megakillertron]

So you’re a casual player too.

The vast majority will always play casually.

[ItzTheDay]

Nah, I’m not your typical casual player like yourself. I’m not a pro, but defiantly not casual. Hence the reason why I’m playing less and less of Halo. I’m going back to a more human skilled game, and will probably stay there.

[Megakillertron]

Well i guess i’m even less casual because i stopped playing Infinite weeks ago, lol.

Sounds to me like you need a game with less ‘human skill’ since you’re struggling so hard.

[ItzTheDay]

Stopped playing weeks ago, yet you’re still here talking to people completely different than you would face to face? Says a lot about yourself.

[Megakillertron]

It says even more about you, that you would make assumptions about someone you’ve never met, tough guy.