I was actually replying “good” to you saying that controller players who notice a change would never come back. Meaning good, they can leave and stay away. Once word gets out that “hey, 343i made KBM relevant” more PC players would return.
Again, this is not Halo 5. Gaming has changed a lot in 6 years. Personally, I did not like any Halos after Reach.
or leave the game also.
not forget that you can play with controler on the PC also so there also will leave then.
all is it halo 3 or halo reach its still the same with the aim assist.
halo infinite has still the lowst aim assist settings from all the older halo game’s.
Totally get that. In an ideal world, everything would be perfect but here we are.
Nearly 700 posts in here and there is no real solution that works for everyone across the board. It really seems like an impossible task for 343i. Even the incremental change suggestions don’t seem like a viable option. 343i ( with MS breathing down their necks) are not going to make changes to alienate their majority player base to appease a select few (whatever mnk players that still exist).
No solution will ever work for everyone across the board. That is just reality. Balancing doesn’t mean everyone gets what they want. For some, it will be a negative experience because they were used to being overpowered and it is taken away. That’s life.
I know it’s easy to say from my side of the argument but if I was primarily a controller player I would honestly be advocating for minimally invasive changes to improve the balance for KBM players because that is what is fair even if it negatively affects me. Minimally invasive is the key. If it gets a little harder but preserves the core experience then I will adjust. If I can sacrifice a little to make a big change for others to have a fair game, I’m all in.
Also, done right, 343 wouldn’t just start changing the live experience. They would create a PTR to test the changes so they don’t mess with players too much, find the best solutions, then update the core game with those changes.
I have done my best to try and tone down my comments to be more gentle with the commenters here today but FFS “alienate” their player base? Come on. What extremist world are you living in? Have you never played a game that updates mechanics to fix balance issues? They aren’t going to ruin your game experience by fixing this issue. If making some minimally invasive changes to balance their game “alienates” you and you would quit over it, good riddance!
Im fine woth balancing a game to crossplay however i also belive the two will never truly be equal. My main gripe with all this is the simple fact it is forced.
I dont want it to become a precedent. For pve dont care for pvp thats not fine i am after a equal playing field were dought is minimized crossplay only increases it
Minimally invasive changes are not going to fix the issue. Tweaking aa down slightly is going to either have a noticeable effect or not change anything. Do you think people are just going to not notice that their shots are not as forgiving? And if their shot stays the same, how is their accuracy going to go down to be more fair with mnk? Those two thoughts are contradictory.
Run a flight with the proposed settings and see how people like it. People are naturally resistant to change so that’s an uphill battle.
Regardless of whether or not I think you’re “right” or what’s “fair”, I’m strictly speaking about what is realistic. The facts are that majority of players are controller players which means majority of the people who buy stuff are using a controller which means 343i better keep those people happy if they want to keep their jobs. Whether that is fair or not doesn’t really matter.
Now if controller players were to suddenly drop off way faster than mnk players, they’d be forced to do something. I don’t have concrete data on that, but it sure seems mnk players have dropped more than controller players up to this point.
TL;DR what’s fair doesn’t matter. It’s all about money like it or not.
100% agree. Now could you imagine if controller players stood up and said “343 fix your game so its fair or we walk”? You are the majority and the power is in your hands to sway 343. Sounds to me like none of you are willing to stand up to fix it since it doesn’t affect you. Instead of integrity, the thread is filled with people a) denying the imbalance, b) supporting the imbalance, or c) making excuses to not fix the imbalance.
c’est la vie
I am. I’ve been willing this entire time. I just don’t know how to. I do know that reducing the aim assist and bullet magnetism on controller isn’t the answer.
I was think more along the lines of reducing bloom for kbm users.
That could definitely help. Would love to see a test for that experience!
It’s a noble cause and I wish you luck. A lot of console players and even PC controller players dislike crossplay as it is so I can’t really see them getting on board to start some kind of movement. You’re taking a game that has been controller exclusively for two decades so you’re not exactly going to find an army of people in support of mnk.
At the end of the day, there are more pressing concerns with this game to be had that I’m sure occupy the minds of controller players far more frequently than crossplay. Maybe if they fixed core issues like desync we could rally on balancing issues.
‘Integrity’ lol.
This dude’s up in here being completely disingenuous and now he’s talking about integrity. 
you have done nothing but troll this thread. I’m honestly surprised you can spell integrity let alone know what it means. kick rocks kiddo.
You squandered any good faith early on. This thread’s a troll, lol.
What ideas? None could be as bad as your ‘data’. It’s just as bad as that other gonks video.
whatever you say kiddo
You mean like the KBM players that say that ain’t playing against “aimbots” ain’t coming back. Even if 343 would listen, you’ve basically become a hypocrite. The same guy who doesn’t want Infinite’s KBM base to dwindle even more, is now being the same sort of dillweed that says “if they play with KBM they’re not true halo players it’s better that they’re gone.”
Shame
I mean the simple solution is add the option to turn crossplay off. If people dont want to play against xbox aim assist or pc players doing fast and furious banshee maneuvers then let them. If you want crossplay still, but dont like how it currently plays then keep the setting turned on and hope 343 does some tuning to the game. Being a donkey to people over their preference doesnt need to be a thing
No, I’m simply saying if people leave because they actually have to use more human skill then good.
but the problem is that the OP find its a ‘‘Lazy’’ solution more when its that not.
and i told the same thing also that its the easy fast solution with the best effect it give’s with 0% problems you get from it also since it has also 0% problems or bad effect’s you get from it.
I mean you are a hypocrite, probably in multiple ways but:
You played a few games with controller and found it was too easy, getting multiple perfects etc. Bear in mind it starts out for most like this as the game figures out how to match you with other people.
So you decided to play keyboard and mouse because you think it’s more difficult or skilled (lol). Now you’re finding out you’re not as good as you thought and you want it making easier.