No they would wouldnt qualify you to be the best. An overwatch player would fit in better than a r6 player because the gameplay is different. Again you ignore the external influences to satisfy your ideals. So in your world a halo pro would be on the same level as a seige pro in a short period of time.
You are comparing 2 groups of 20 at the top end and saying the conditions in each group are perfect bar input. Anybody who deals with stats would luahh at you for not atleast acknowledging it.
Its not. Iâve been playing ranked on controller for about a week now and there are very few distances where the AA does not kick in. 80% was a generous number. If we are considering useful positioning and not just max range even if it is a bad spot to sit, that number is closer to 90% IMO.
No, you are trying to make an external influence that is not represented by reality.
In 3 months time, yes. This is anecdotal but in my roughly 3 months on halo I am on par skill-wise with my R6S and Overwatch play. Its not a hard concept to grasp.
Halo isnât some overly complex system that takes years to master.
You again are not understanding the data. If you are measuring the balance of a map, you would take a sample from all ranges of play to identify flaws being exploited at different levels of play. If you are looking to see what the max output of each input is, you would want to take a sample of the players that represent the max output and compare their limitations. If one input cannot achieve what the other can at top play it tells us where the limitations are.
You donât have to like it but if you are going to argue it you need to understand it.
And you are working assuming both groups are of equal capability which is 100% not true as that does not exist.
Average not pro the dedication is different you have to acknowledge that. There is a difference between an average person and someone who does it for a living. The time spent in game is much different. Are you that niave. Otherwise we would see pros hoping games at a rate much faster than they do now. You are using lived experience as evidence which you have critisced many others for
Yes but you would also need to take external factors into this which you dont. If the higher capabilites are in one group then it would effect your numbers. A larger sample size would prove better or looking at a larger group lower down the pegging. Your mean would show this where does the average player sit on oneside compared to the other the top isnt a shoein for the main bulk stats it could be but not garunteed.
Any statistic that is presented as ideal without any parameters is not a valid statistic. You are arguing its proof when its a theory with little backing other than your belief its true
Without considering external influences you are balancing the players not the input.
I should have marked this section as anecdotal as well. This is my experience with a controller and my opinion on the range based on that experience. I do love that your entire argument is a series of âgotchaâ moments instead of useful information.
It doesnât but if any range represents it, the top range is the most accurate.
I do. What you donât seem to recognize is that your point validates my position, not yours. Those KBM pro level players are far more dedicated than me and would reach their skill cap sooner, not later. Literally labeled this as anecdotal to share my opinion. Unlike you, I am not claiming my opinions as facts. See the difference?
I get that you need to double down on this to make your point valid but that doesnât make it accurate. Please feel free to share any data to back your position. You spend all this time criticizing my data yet offer nothing but conjecture in return. Pull the data, prove me wrong.
I considered your âexternal influences.â I also dismissed them as invalid because you have provided nothing to support them but your opinion and conjecture. You havenât provided anything substantial to the conversation. You have just thrown conjecture at the wall to see if anything would stick.
And we have reached the end. Your numbers are theory you cant entertain the idea of external influences so nothing anyone suggests is going to sink in.
We dont have repuatable data or anything close to actually pull a conclusion both myself and you. you are after confirmation bias and that is it. Any comparison of group is going to have things can manipulate data one way or the other. And as many have said the pros play on controller whether that is becuase aa or not it will effect that top 20 comparison but you arent interested in that. A league of players are likely skewing your stats.
It doesnt take a genius to understand that there could be more. But you talk like that is the only reason. So take a step back evaluate how you performed you little experiment and think. It isnt settling the debate as proven its inflated your ego.
I can hold my hand up and say im wrong but until there is actually statistics not some dude crwaling through the top 20 of halo tracker and Shouting i have proof like a 3 year old who just got a pack of sweets. This will continue.
Your âexternal influencesâ are theory. You are quite literally trying to argue the numbers with conjecture then complaining when I donât validate your conjecture.
I am happy to concede my position if you can prove me wrong. Your conjecture about âexternal influencesâ is not factual data. It is your opinion that those players arenât at the top of their game. You want that to be a factor. You need it to be a factor. It is not a validated factor. Nothing you have presented validates your opinion of those players.
Great! Youâre not a genius so prove âmore.â Bring anything factually backed by any data to this conversation.
I am an additional data point. Only one but letâs see if my average player data matches my data results, shall we?
KBM stats (These are the stats from before switching to controller. Yes, I took a screenshot of HT)
360 games
KD .88
HSA 38.5%
Rank start G4
Rank max D1 1210
Controller only account stats for a clean view of that inpu (the input I am less familiar with)
KD .96
HSA 68.4%
Rank in P6
Rank Max D1 1230
Weird. My stats are higher despite being less skilled with the controller input. It took me 29 games to climb higher than where I was stuck on KBM for over a month.
As a fun side note, on my KBM account, I did switch to controller for two days and climbed to D2 1270 before returning to KBM. My plateau disappeared and shot up an entire rank nearly instantly just by playing on controller. Here are the increases for those 2 days of controller play on this account.
Stat change playing on controller
89 games
KD .89 up .01
HSA 44.7% up 6.2%
Rank start P6 1190
Rank max D2 1270
Iâm sure this data point is as coincidental and lacking âexternal influencesâ as all my others though. Oh wellâŚ
This makes me laugh your stats would have a fluctuation in them your Mnk stats would have your earlier failures in them when you are less experienced dragging down your overall stats for MnK then the switch you would have had the experience of the maps, guns and methodology.
Again influences try next season and see how you get on alternating every 5 games. Set conditions to your testing.
But hey your a stats guy i dont need to tell you methodology has a big impact
As stated previously we are both working in theory the only difference is im not presenting as fact im questioning your data and methodology
why are you showing this data on the forum when some people give notting about the data and not wane play with then because all is there a diffrend or not in controler vs KBM that a lot people still not wane play with the PC players because of the diffrend there is.
and same goâs for pc players that not wane play with Xbox on the same reason and maybe not care about the data.
Just because you donât want to play Crossplay, does not mean others donât. Should we not discuss fixing the Crossplay input at all because YOU donât care about it or want to play with PC players?
We have established REPEATEDLY in this thread alone that basically everyone is in favor of having a Crossplay toggle so the option exists to segregate the community.
With that established, the purpose of this thread is not to segregate the community but to discuss the state of Crossplay. No one is against having a controller-only game mode so you can hide from the big bad KBM âcheatersâ and it doesnât need to be rehashed for the 40th time.