What did I cherry pick? Show me data that contradicts my position and I will happily evaluate it. Just because you don’t understand data analytics doesn’t mean it is not valuable.
I am happy to concede that my position is incorrect if you can provide player data that counters it. If all you can offer is your opinion that KBM has an advantage with nothing to support it, you can show yourself out.
Can you not be a -Yoink-? I don’t know how else to phrase this.
I’m not disagreeing that there are issue with the kbm side, but you my friend, are just being combative for the sake of it.
I’m trying to be respectful but you’re just insufferable. Why would anyone see your side if all you do is is try to talk down to people?
You know mods tell me not to be so “rude”, or flame others, but the Halo community is filled with some of the snarkiest little -Yoink-s alive. I don’t know how they put up with this crap.
No. I am an -Yoink!-. I do not play nice for the sake of going easy on someone. I am perilously direct. I have no interest in your opinion if it cannot be backed by supporting data. You have been just as combative while arguing from ignorance about the state of the game.
All I did was point out that your comment didn’t make sense. sidy3d pointed out that the game is unbalanced, steam, which is your majority KBM access point saw a steep drop in players and referenced information saying KBM would perform the same as Controller.
You responded by saying introducing the KBM is an issue for Controller players and asked the question “why would I switch?”
I questioned your comment, AITA because I held you accountable to you either a) not understanding what you were responding to or b) changing what he was saying to sound like KBM is a problem for Controller players and in some way that meant you would have to switch to KBM.
Do you want to hear something funny? I got sick of being at a disadvantage so I hopped on my Xbox. All my stats have already gone up by several percent and I have been bouncing between mid D1 and mid D2 from the P6/D1 I was stuck at. That rank-up is while my Controller skill is still not even close to my skill on KBM. Given time to get to the same skill level as my KBM skill, I would likely sit high Diamond low Onyx.
lmaooo not close up when most of the fights are close up. The pros even admit kbm is in a tough spot and ur the only one denying it? nobody cares about ur opinion and ur a nobody
You only care about being right.
Here I am trying to be respectful and come trying to dispute my case with data. I never mentioned anything about accuracy or your damn statistics today.
Didn’t even engage you. I just told the other guy why people play on controller more than kbm. That’s it.
I’m not here to argue with “you.” Get that through your head.
I don’t care about your data. Okay? Is that crystal clear enough for you? No?
Let me put it in a different way then. I am not here to speak to you or argue with you, in any way, about your data. I am on a COMPLETELY different subject and speaking to sidy3d. The person I chose to engage with. Okay?
So take your data and go speak to someone else who “cares.”
Mouse has effectively zero advantages in Ranked. With Behemoth gone all of the Maps are too small to ever be outside of aim assist range.
You are always welcome to stop commenting on my post. All I did was ask what the hell you were talking about and you again got defensive. I’m sorry your comment made no sense in response to his. I’m sorry you can’t articulate what you are intending to say. Don’t throw a tantrum for being called out by the person that made this post when you comment nonsense.
You’re welcome to stop commenting, too. Yet you keep doing it.
And now you most definitely have to stop posting because you have 69 posts in this topic.
Cool please refer me to the statistics you are mentioning that comes from the source. I.e 343. Kbm has advantage at a distance that is just a fundamental of the mechanics aa as it requires you to be in proximity.
If you look only at the top ranks you will find the majority are people who have traditionally played halo on controller its the native input for nearly 2 decades so i would expect a gap.
Kbm dominated games mainly have short ttk. Accuaracy is not the end all. I can have 20% accuaracy and go 25/8 and i could have 55% and go 3/10. Game knowledge and playstyle makes a difference you need to think of external factors
As someone who claims to be a whizz with stats you fail to encount for external parameters like mentioned earlier this is how bias can be shown and the statistics need to be considered from a whole from the source with other data like games won, kd, points scored etc. On their own your stats arent worth that much
Play to your advantage. If your advantage is distance keep distance if its close up rush.
My numbers come directly from the game. Literal API data from players in game.
This is complete nonsense. I am among the people that have played Halo on Controller for 20 years AND I have played KBM FPS games for 20 years. It took me less than a month to reach my native skill cap. Those Onyx players with lower rank placements are not there because their new to Halo.
This is false. KBM has a variety of games with different ttk. All you have proven here is that sustained accuracy is important because you need to hit more shots, not a quick whip shot to win.
You haven’t proven anything. You made an opinion about things that aren’t relevant and claimed I’m missing data. Lets break down your extra parameters.
Games won - not a good metric because your win rate will vary based on your position in the rank. If the system is working correctly, even the best players should sit around 50%. I started with around a 75% win rate. That didn’t make me the best, it meant I was under ranked. You just don’t understand data analytics.
KD - Those numbers are included and Controller has better KDs and even better when KDs when playing Crossplay, meaning KBM players are an easier target for them than Controller players.
Points scored - This could be used as an additional metric but it is also represented with KD and rank. The better you do in games the more your rank increases. If you do poorly personally but win you get fewer points. Lose and you lose points. Since this game uses personal metrics to determine rank gain, we could add that metric but it is not needed. You are welcome to run the numbers and let me know if they show a higher average score for KBM players but I doubt it will.
First off, most encounters are within the AA range. To be more clear, with Behemoth removed from ranked, there are practically no map positions that have an available range outside of the AA.
I switched to Xbox the last few days and my HS A has already gone up 5%, KD from .87 to .89, and my rank has gone from 1190-1210 KBM peak to high of 1270 currently 1264 and I’m still getting used to the change.
Weird that I can fumble around on a controller and do better than my primary gaming input, isn’t it? I may create a second account and play exclusively with one input on each and show the results of the two after ranked resets.
it means you havent been playing halo for 20 years and are getting dominated by 35 year old boomers still using a controller. Thats what this is. Get over it, you cri cri cri cri and nothing will be changed.
“My numbers come directly from the game. Literal API data from players in game.”
Anticdotal evidence proves nothing.
“This is complete nonsense. I am among the people that have played Halo on Controller for 20 years AND I have played KBM FPS games for 20 years. It took me less than a month to reach my native skill cap. Those Onyx players with lower rank placements are not there because their new to Halo.”
So you must be in your 50s or 60s
“Weird that I can fumble around on a controller and do better than my primary gaming input, isn’t it? I may create a second account and play exclusively with one input on each and show the results of the two after ranked resets.”
You contradict yourself by claiming to use a controller for 20 years then saying your primary input is KBM. So which is it?
First, Anticdotal? Do you mean anecdotal?
Do you not understand what an API is? Literal data provided by the game. Not anecdotal. Anecdotal is what you have provided.
Late 30s started playing as a teen.
You do realize that it is possible to play games on console but still be a primary KBM player right? Just because I played all the Halo games on Xbox does not mean I played to the same degree I play KBM games. I played Halo 1-3 heavily. I mostly played the later games for the campaign and dabbled enough in multiplayer to know the game mechanics. When I play R6S with no AA I get wrecked on a controller but maintain the same skill as here when I play on KBM. I play on Controller sure but not at the same level of control as KBM.
You are desperately trying to twist what I say to fit your narrative. It won’t work here kiddo. Your excuses for missing data are nonsense and referencing repetitive data or data that provides no value. The fact that you tried to use them as some proof my data is bad is all we need to know that you don’t actually know what you are talking about.
Notice you did not dispute that part of my comment. Only the parts you could twist to try and make it appear you have some position to argue from.
I never claimed to have high stats. I said my stats have improved from the point of switching to Xbox. I went from a 38.5% HS A to now 44%, from a .87 KD to .89, and from a max rank of D1 1210 to a max rank of D2 1270. None of what I said was a lie and if you are looking at HT you can see that what I said is exactly what my stats are. Except where I said current was 1264. I’ve since posting lost a few games and the current is 1255.
I also don’t think you realize that when you play 360 games seeing an increase like this with an additional 83 games means my stats in the 83 games are way higher than the average now seen to make the average climb that much that fast.
35 year olds are millennials champ. You are right about one thing though (quite literally the only thing you have gotten right), it is not likely to get fixed. KBM will remain at a disadvantage. I gave up on KBM because it is at such a disadvantage. and will stick with my Xbox unless it is fixed.
Cool then pull all data not just pros. As stated the top 20 is not reliable data for balancing. As the chances are with the games history those with more exp are going to be sitting on controller.
To settle this kind of debate you need avarages across the board.
This shows external factor you have played halo for 20 years on controller so the gamestyle is wuicker to pick up and remember
Come on most popular kbm games have a small ttk and this has an effect on gameplay. A long ttk will have an effect on tracking and most kbm players are conditioned for short kill time. I have terrible accuaracy in halo but hold a positive kd accuaracy is not the only factor game sense is knowing when to back of when to push and where to move to.
This is relevant if looking at all data do teams with mnk player win more often than soley controller players.
Again you are talking about stats from 40 people out of 2m plus players. Your sample size is not random and has as stated earlier many external factors effecting the data. Your data is great if we are talking about top level play of the 0.1% but we are talking aboutthe average user
I understand your uoset that your methodology has been questioned but like anybody dealing with data that should be expected. Learn from it
That is down to your positioning there are plenty of spaces aa distance is not that far in comparison to even smaller maps
You say you had 20 years controller experience its not weird. Havent rode a bike in 2 years pretty sure i could get on one today and be fine
So now it is just not reliable instead of not from the source. Keep moving those goalposts until you can make it fit your narrative.
And no, we don’t average across the board because then you bring in lots of variables that muddy the data. Again you fundamentally do not understand data analytics.
Sure. I’ll pick it up quicker having previous experience. That does not account for the fact that while “picking it up” I’m already performing WAY WAY better than on the input I’m most accustomed to. If this was meant to prove a point, it failed.
Thanks for sharing your opinion? Are you deciding which games are considered popular?
Well I guess it is a good thing that I include more than Accuracy in my data, huh? Like the KD metrics you keep ignoring because they don’t fit your narrative.
You cannot pull clean win data. You are stating an opinion, not a fact based on data. Your opinion of KBM players having more wins is just that. Run the numbers yourself and prove me wrong. It won’t prove me wrong but you are welcome to take the time if you need to see it to believe it.
I’m not upset. I’m explaining to you why you are wrong. I work with this kind of data every day. Yes it is a small sample size. Feel free to take a larger sample and prove me wrong. Again, it won’t but if you want to take the time, do it. What you shouldn’t do is waste everyone’s time with your opinion that doesn’t match reality.
Been on Controller the last few days. No there is not. You want to believe AA stops shorter than it really does. I can AA across 80% of the longest map spreads.
Yes, for basic riding. Master tricks on one bike then try to do them on one you aren’t as familiar with. You won’t do the tricks better on the less familiar bike than your main bike where you practice the most. You will work up to the same level. Nice try though
You told me where your source is i will take your word. Not trying to fit a narrative but you ignore the biases in your own data.
If you work with data as you claim then you would account for the biasis you would look to take the mean not the top of the data unless you have good reasoning to use the 0.01% of the data.
And that is what i have been saying is the problem with your data. The top 20 have extreme differences in variables.
Now taking average across the board you build in tolerences to negate outliers. But you should know this.
Im asking a question not stating a fact. Do mnk teams win more. But your bias is showing.
The fact that your only concentrating on top 20 player im guessing you are using a tracker website so are limited to what you can actually get your hands on through 3rd party.
Its not the sample size its the sample would you say you are using data at the top end to talk about the average gamer.
Ur stats have a purpose but not to the average gamer or average gameplay
No but im sure as hell going to get bacl up to speed quicker than someone who hasnt ridden one at all. Just accept your data is useful but not in this conversation
Always see people stating that the mouse has the advantage at range, whilst this is somewhat true its not quite the whole story.
In a ranged 50/50 BR dual, mouse vrs controller, due to the AA having such long range even when not zoomed the controller user will get the advantage from AA having a high probability of hitting, even just one bullet from a burst will effectively stops the mouse user from ever being able to scope in.
So having to shoot over range with default BR crosshair & no red reticule (throw in some silly fast strafing) the mouse user is more prone to miss a burst or two especially when trying to land that final head shot.
this then allows the controller user to get an opportunity to scope in and effectively place more accurate shoots which is crucial in a dual & when trying to finish a dual.
So by the AA cheesing the mouse user from scoping in, it increases the chances that the controller player will be able to scope in & allow them to land more accurate bursts.
Being able to scope in & land a accurate burst or three is a huge advantage in a ranged fight.
So whilst the mouse generally is better at longer ranges it doesn’t get the total advantage that everyone thinks it does as its still having to fight against AA