The first 20 spots on the ladder are occupied by either Forge or a few people who use the Serina exploit. Which makes me feel Serina is not that OP if you are not using the exploit. Its also been my experience that shes no more difficult to deal with than Cutter if your base isnt frozen at the 1.5 minute mark. I really hope they dont nerf her out of existence like Kinsano.
I’m totally behind this thought process. I do think the seismic-cryo combo needs some tweaking and cryotech advances needs to be split between leader points, though.
I hope they do. The salt is real.
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> I’m totally behind this thought process. I do think the seismic-cry combo needs some tweaking and cryotech advances needs to be split between leader points, though.
Yup, small adjustments are fine. I think she, like most leaders, will stand up better to forge when they take the nukes out of his trunk and actually replace it with an actual EMP round. So the success i have had against her may not manifest as well and thus justify a tweak to her powers. I honestly dont think i could have beaten the exploiters with any other leader besides forge…or another serina doing the same thing. In fact the exploiters like almirante, 9 11 baby, and smg good luck have figured out that Forge is STILL more powerful than Serina even with the base freeze. Which is just damn nuts.
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> > I’m totally behind this thought process. I do think the seismic-cry combo needs some tweaking and cryotech advances needs to be split between leader points, though.
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> Yup, small adjustments are fine. I think she, like most leaders, will stand up better to forge when they take the nukes out of his trunk and actually replace it with an actual EMP round. So the success i have had against her may not manifest as well and thus justify a tweak to her powers. I honestly dont think i could have beaten the exploiters with any other leader besides forge…or another serina doing the same thing. In fact the exploiters like almirante, 9 11 baby, and smg good luck have figured out that Forge is STILL more powerful than Serina even with the base freeze. Which is just damn nuts.
Yep. Serina’s exploit is pretty egregious, but Forge feels like the worst of it, given that it continues even into the lategame. Constant 20 second cool down mega nukes are just way too much for any leader to deal with.
I’m not sure. We won’t be able to know for sure until after the patches are out though, so people can mass test her in matchmaking.
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> > Yup, small adjustments are fine. I think she, like most leaders, will stand up better to forge when they take the nukes out of his trunk and actually replace it with an actual EMP round. So the success i have had against her may not manifest as well and thus justify a tweak to her powers. I honestly dont think i could have beaten the exploiters with any other leader besides forge…or another serina doing the same thing. In fact the exploiters like almirante, 9 11 baby, and smg good luck have figured out that Forge is STILL more powerful than Serina even with the base freeze. Which is just damn nuts.
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> Yep. Serina’s exploit is pretty egregious, but Forge feels like the worst of it, given that it continues even into the lategame. Constant 20 second cool down mega nukes are just way too much for any leader to deal with.
My experience is that if skill level is the same, if you dont capitalize on the slowdown of forge in the first few minutes of the game then you are one defeated Serina. She has no answer to his combat salvage vultures/grizzlys and Forge Super nuke. The longer the game goes the worst it seems to get for serina. This is what worries me about them extrapolating too much on her success.
Honestly all they have to do is fix the exploit (I’m not sure the best way could either lower overall freeze potential or take away the second upgrade for ice barrier) and make cryo bomb and seismic blast cost more. Or make seismic blast do less damage. And maybe split cryotech into two leader points not completely sold on that. Lastly fix the cooldowns slightly on everything other than that she’s fine and adds a new dynamic
I would like Forge to be trimmed down but Serina is fine. We don’t need to split cryo tech adv. That would put Serina in the Anders category. Only thing I would do if anything is slow her freezing effect on building down early game. To me, Serina is on a knife edge between viability and non-viability.
I’ve only used her twice. The first time I wasn’t aware of the exploit. The second time I was and it was against a Forge, didn’t give me much advantage, but I think it was because the guy made a very early expansion.
Forgehog is so ridiculous it can single handedly defend an early expansion and get map control at the same time, how -Yoinked!- up is that?
So yeah, I’m not sure if Serina needs anything done besides the fix to her exploit and cryo advantages being split. I think the Bison is alright. The combo will need some monitoring, but with advances being two points it would seem to me that Serina requires a lot of XP to be so deadly which I feel it would be fine…
Am I the only one who has not figured out how the Serina exploit works and what it is? 
All I know is she just is hard to deal with when she sends ten Frostravens to freeze up everything… I’ve had fun playing as her though, although with the balancing issues it is funner playing as her in Skirmish rather than in Matchmaking. In fact, when I play with her in Matchmaking I seem to have trouble finding a way to win with her. With that said, I love the concept of a crazy ice based leader… Just needs some fine tuning.
Nah she’s not OP outside of the exploit. It’s just that she’s incredibly annoying to fight in limited space because her ice can freeze a certain area and her siege turrets and such can keep it frozen. This is mainly the reason why she’s almost impossible to rush.
Thank God she doesn’t have much in the way of offense because we’d all be screwed😂
Simple fix allow for the base to be frozen and take crack damage but take away the prevention of production. Turrets can still be frozen.
Decrease the slow by 10% and decrease the freeze speed by 15% and 50% to Heroes.