All though I am well aware of the previous three generations of Spartans (Orion S1, Orion II S2, S3) having hit them pretty hard over the years, even during the war with the Covenant, but Halo wiki is one of a few sources that said that after a while the UNSC/ONI nearly stopped any hostile action against the insurrection.
There for, my question is:
Despite what’s going on, could the insurrection become a serious threat to the UNSC/ONI like it was pre-war?
Maybe if the UNSC or ONI gets caught doing some nasty -Yoink- and start putting down protests with Spartan teams otherwise its unlikely. As of 2553 the majority of the innies are content with being left alone and the UNSC has granted a number of worlds independence and have been cautious when dealing with those with anti UEG/UNSC sentiments in order prevent incidents that could be used as a rallying cry.
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> Maybe if the UNSC or ONI gets caught doing some nasty -Yoink- and start putting down protests with Spartan teams otherwise its unlikely. As of 2553 the majority of the innies are content with being left alone and the UNSC has granted a number of worlds independence and have been cautious when dealing with those with anti UEG/UNSC sentiments in order prevent incidents that could be used as a rallying cry.
They learned their lesson from before and are fine to let planets do their own thing (see; Venezia, Gao)
The United Rebel Front and the New Colonial Alliance both stand as a significant threat to humanity in the post-war era. Both groups as well as several others have led to wide spread unrest in the colonies. This unrest is toxic and unnecessary.
Some colonies are on a fine line between chaos and control. We need to maintain that control to ensure a peace and stability.
The Office of Naval Intelligence is looking into a link between fringe insurrectionist groups working with The Created. It is a scary time to be sure.
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> The United Rebel Front and the New Colonial Alliance both stand as a significant threat to humanity in the post-war era. Both groups as well as several others have led to wide spread unrest in the colonies. This unrest is toxic and unnecessary.
> Some colonies are on a fine line between chaos and control. We need to maintain that control to ensure a peace and stability.
> The Office of Naval Intelligence is looking into a link between fringe insurrectionist groups working with The Created. It is a scary time to be sure.
Well that’s new but unsurprising information!
No doubt thinking to undermine the UNSC
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> > Maybe if the UNSC or ONI gets caught doing some nasty -Yoink- and start putting down protests with Spartan teams otherwise its unlikely. As of 2553 the majority of the innies are content with being left alone and the UNSC has granted a number of worlds independence and have been cautious when dealing with those with anti UEG/UNSC sentiments in order prevent incidents that could be used as a rallying cry.
>
> They learned their lesson from before and are fine to let planets do their own thing (see; Venezia, Gao)
Firstly the UNSC/ONI need to rebuild themselves from the war, they are not powerful enough to go dealing with every planet that has anti establishment issues. Second I think with a fair amount of anti human groups out there with planet glassing capable ships or WMDs, the UNSC could be hedging a few bets so when these groups attack, said planet which might have little in the form of orbital defence might turn to the UNSC. Lastly if the planet still trades with the corporations of the UNSC they could influence and control the government that way. Just look at real life for an example of that.
I personally think the UNSC isn’t going to force their will on many planets, but instead re colonise significant pre war ones like Reach and New Jerusalem while identifying those which have both resources and forerunner tech to help rebuilt the UNSC and elevate humanity. That way when things improve planets will hopefully willingly come to the fold.
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> All though I am well aware of the previous three generations of Spartans (Orion S1, Orion II S2, S3) having hit them pretty hard over the years, even during the war with the Covenant, but Halo wiki is one of a few sources that said that after a while the UNSC/ONI nearly stopped any hostile action against the insurrection.
>
> There for, my question is:
> Despite what’s going on, could the insurrection become a serious threat to the UNSC/ONI like it was pre-war?
Very much so. So long as the UEG continues to mandate Earth rule for any and all human colonies, the insurrection will never go away. It’s a response to a system of governance that is outdated and poorly suited to the context of the human species expanding into far flung corners of space over very long periods of time. What has happened is that the cultures of the colonies have evolved so much that they are totally different to the cultures on Earth that gave birth to them; especially in the case of secondary colonies that were established by other colonies, and not established by Earth. With differing cultures, differing economic prospects, differing levels of development and differing challenges it’s no surprise at all that the colonies will want, and need, greater autonomy to deal with the issues that uniquely impact them. The UEG thinks that just because everyone is human that everyone has the same outlook, the same political beliefs, the same culture and the same wish to be part of some unified human ethnostate. Such a expectation is absurd, and it will ensure that the Insurrection not only remains but potentially gets worse as advanced alien technologies begin to proliferate.
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> > All though I am well aware of the previous three generations of Spartans (Orion S1, Orion II S2, S3) having hit them pretty hard over the years, even during the war with the Covenant, but Halo wiki is one of a few sources that said that after a while the UNSC/ONI nearly stopped any hostile action against the insurrection.
> >
> > There for, my question is:
> > Despite what’s going on, could the insurrection become a serious threat to the UNSC/ONI like it was pre-war?
>
> Very much so. So long as the UEG continues to mandate Earth rule for any and all human colonies, the insurrection will never go away. It’s a response to a system of governance that is outdated and poorly suited to the context of the human species expanding into far flung corners of space over very long periods of time. What has happened is that the cultures of the colonies have evolved so much that they are totally different to the cultures on Earth that gave birth to them; especially in the case of secondary colonies that were established by other colonies, and not established by Earth. With differing cultures, differing economic prospects, differing levels of development and differing challenges it’s no surprise at all that the colonies will want, and need, greater autonomy to deal with the issues that uniquely impact them. The UEG thinks that just because everyone is human that everyone has the same outlook, the same political beliefs, the same culture and the same wish to be part of some unified human ethnostate. Such a expectation is absurd, and it will ensure that the Insurrection not only remains but potentially gets worse as advanced alien technologies begin to proliferate.
…interesting
You’d think ( IMO) that after what the covenant did to us they’d want to stick together…the whole safer in numbers thing
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> > > All though I am well aware of the previous three generations of Spartans (Orion S1, Orion II S2, S3) having hit them pretty hard over the years, even during the war with the Covenant, but Halo wiki is one of a few sources that said that after a while the UNSC/ONI nearly stopped any hostile action against the insurrection.
> > >
> > > There for, my question is:
> > > Despite what’s going on, could the insurrection become a serious threat to the UNSC/ONI like it was pre-war?
> >
> > Very much so. So long as the UEG continues to mandate Earth rule for any and all human colonies, the insurrection will never go away. It’s a response to a system of governance that is outdated and poorly suited to the context of the human species expanding into far flung corners of space over very long periods of time. What has happened is that the cultures of the colonies have evolved so much that they are totally different to the cultures on Earth that gave birth to them; especially in the case of secondary colonies that were established by other colonies, and not established by Earth. With differing cultures, differing economic prospects, differing levels of development and differing challenges it’s no surprise at all that the colonies will want, and need, greater autonomy to deal with the issues that uniquely impact them. The UEG thinks that just because everyone is human that everyone has the same outlook, the same political beliefs, the same culture and the same wish to be part of some unified human ethnostate. Such a expectation is absurd, and it will ensure that the Insurrection not only remains but potentially gets worse as advanced alien technologies begin to proliferate.
>
> …interesting
> You’d think ( IMO) that after what the covenant did to us they’d want to stick together…the whole safer in numbers thing
Some do believe that others like some of the more radical Insurrectionist groups don’t care as long as their section of space isn’t harmed. Plus theres still a lot of bad blood between the UNSC and some populations.
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> > > All though I am well aware of the previous three generations of Spartans (Orion S1, Orion II S2, S3) having hit them pretty hard over the years, even during the war with the Covenant, but Halo wiki is one of a few sources that said that after a while the UNSC/ONI nearly stopped any hostile action against the insurrection.
> > >
> > > There for, my question is:
> > > Despite what’s going on, could the insurrection become a serious threat to the UNSC/ONI like it was pre-war?
> >
> > Very much so. So long as the UEG continues to mandate Earth rule for any and all human colonies, the insurrection will never go away. It’s a response to a system of governance that is outdated and poorly suited to the context of the human species expanding into far flung corners of space over very long periods of time. What has happened is that the cultures of the colonies have evolved so much that they are totally different to the cultures on Earth that gave birth to them; especially in the case of secondary colonies that were established by other colonies, and not established by Earth. With differing cultures, differing economic prospects, differing levels of development and differing challenges it’s no surprise at all that the colonies will want, and need, greater autonomy to deal with the issues that uniquely impact them. The UEG thinks that just because everyone is human that everyone has the same outlook, the same political beliefs, the same culture and the same wish to be part of some unified human ethnostate. Such a expectation is absurd, and it will ensure that the Insurrection not only remains but potentially gets worse as advanced alien technologies begin to proliferate.
>
> …interesting
> You’d think ( IMO) that after what the covenant did to us they’d want to stick together…the whole safer in numbers thing
The war didn’t have the same impact on every human world though, which means that there are going to be differing viewpoints on what the response should be. I would imagine that on worlds that were more directly affected by the war, people there (Or survivors from other worlds living there) would favor more human unity and more xenophobia of aliens. On worlds with little to no impact however, I wouldn’t expect there to be a great deal of favor for the idea of a tight human ethnostate.
You see the Covenant were very thorough in what they did, and evacuations of millions of people from a besieged colony in the space of just a few days is virtually impossible for the UNSC. Therefore I don’t see there being a large chunk of the population post-war who experienced the most direct impacts of the war. Secondary impacts, like having your world swamped with refugees or having trade drastically cut due to the worlds you traded with being destroyed, would likely only be felt near to the edge of the Covenant’s advance (And again I doubt refugee issues would be significant). For colonies on the other side of human space from where the Covenant were coming from, their lives wouldn’t be impacted that much.
The human-Covenant war lasted for 27 years, and was very far away for most surviving worlds. So in the post-war world, the Covenant was somebody else’s problem on far away worlds and is honestly old news by this point; news that is now three decades old. And they never reached their world, and now never will. I don’t think it’s surprising that people post-war focused on issues a lot closer to home, which for the colonies was the question of just how much loyalty they should really be owing to Earth.
Another important factor is that humanity isn’t a nation and has no unified sense of identity or culture. The insurrection is a result of that, where people over time develop more loyalty to their colony than to a far away planet that they have never set foot on. These colonies develop their own cultures and dialects, and have differing levels of development and opportunity available to them. A lot of them aren’t really colonies anymore, and could qualify as nations in their own right. So the human-Covenant war might not be viewed as an attack on humanity by a lot of people, as that’s not really a group that people feel much emotional attachment to any longer; as an identity it has been subsumed by colonial identity.
Strength in numbers can still happen under the UNSC, but it doesn’t have to be under the current system of UEG governance. The sphere of human majority worlds could create a system like NATO, and that might actually appeal to some worlds that have went fully independent. Another thing as well, which will grow in importance as time goes on, is that the UNSC isn’t the only power in the area that could conceivably offer human worlds protection in future. As the worlds of the Covenant depart from the old system, through factions like the SoS, other avenues for protection could open up.
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> > > > 2533274926575406;1:
> > > > All though I am well aware of the previous three generations of Spartans (Orion S1, Orion II S2, S3) having hit them pretty hard over the years, even during the war with the Covenant, but Halo wiki is one of a few sources that said that after a while the UNSC/ONI nearly stopped any hostile action against the insurrection.
> > > >
> > > > There for, my question is:
> > > > Despite what’s going on, could the insurrection become a serious threat to the UNSC/ONI like it was pre-war?
> > >
> > > Very much so. So long as the UEG continues to mandate Earth rule for any and all human colonies, the insurrection will never go away. It’s a response to a system of governance that is outdated and poorly suited to the context of the human species expanding into far flung corners of space over very long periods of time. What has happened is that the cultures of the colonies have evolved so much that they are totally different to the cultures on Earth that gave birth to them; especially in the case of secondary colonies that were established by other colonies, and not established by Earth. With differing cultures, differing economic prospects, differing levels of development and differing challenges it’s no surprise at all that the colonies will want, and need, greater autonomy to deal with the issues that uniquely impact them. The UEG thinks that just because everyone is human that everyone has the same outlook, the same political beliefs, the same culture and the same wish to be part of some unified human ethnostate. Such a expectation is absurd, and it will ensure that the Insurrection not only remains but potentially gets worse as advanced alien technologies begin to proliferate.
> >
> > …interesting
> > You’d think ( IMO) that after what the covenant did to us they’d want to stick together…the whole safer in numbers thing
>
> The war didn’t have the same impact on every human world though, which means that there are going to be differing viewpoints on what the response should be. I would imagine that on worlds that were more directly affected by the war, people there (Or survivors from other worlds living there) would favor more human unity and more xenophobia of aliens. On worlds with little to no impact however, I wouldn’t expect there to be a great deal of favor for the idea of a tight human ethnostate.
>
> You see the Covenant were very thorough in what they did, and evacuations of millions of people from a besieged colony in the space of just a few days is virtually impossible for the UNSC. Therefore I don’t see there being a large chunk of the population post-war who experienced the most direct impacts of the war. Secondary impacts, like having your world swamped with refugees or having trade drastically cut due to the worlds you traded with being destroyed, would likely only be felt near to the edge of the Covenant’s advance (And again I doubt refugee issues would be significant). For colonies on the other side of human space from where the Covenant were coming from, their lives wouldn’t be impacted that much.
>
> The human-Covenant war lasted for 27 years, and was very far away for most surviving worlds. So in the post-war world, the Covenant was somebody else’s problem on far away worlds and is honestly old news by this point; news that is now three decades old. And they never reached their world, and now never will. I don’t think it’s surprising that people post-war focused on issues a lot closer to home, which for the colonies was the question of just how much loyalty they should really be owing to Earth.
>
> Another important factor is that humanity isn’t a nation and has no unified sense of identity or culture. The insurrection is a result of that, where people over time develop more loyalty to their colony than to a far away planet that they have never set foot on. These colonies develop their own cultures and dialects, and have differing levels of development and opportunity available to them. A lot of them aren’t really colonies anymore, and could qualify as nations in their own right. So the human-Covenant war might not be viewed as an attack on humanity by a lot of people, as that’s not really a group that people feel much emotional attachment to any longer; as an identity it has been subsumed by colonial identity.
>
> Strength in numbers can still happen under the UNSC, but it doesn’t have to be under the current system of UEG governance. The sphere of human majority worlds could create a system like NATO, and that might actually appeal to some worlds that have went fully independent. Another thing as well, which will grow in importance as time goes on, is that the UNSC isn’t the only power in the area that could conceivably offer human worlds protection in future. As the worlds of the Covenant depart from the old system, through factions like the SoS, other avenues for protection could open up.
The UEG, like most attempts by a home world to maintain as much control over distant colonies as possible, went heavy handed. They didn’t really do anything as far as we know to mitigate the sense of hostility between the Inner and Outer Colonies. They didn’t lesson the Inner Colonies harsh demands for resources from the Outer Colonies, treating them more like extended resource rights then semi autonomous Colonies with their own governments and officials. Combine all what you’ve said here with the pressing demands for resources in a ever expanding population, and I assume that the Insurrection in some form or another was inevitable. What I wonder, is if there are still holdouts from the Pre-Covenant War Insurrection like those found on the space station visited by Chief during First Strike. The Insurrection took mutliple forms over its history, and while we have some of the Post-War Colonies which are vying for some form of Independence, I wonder if any of the old guard will come back. Or if most of them have died out, either to the Convenant or time, and all thats left is for the Insurrection to take it’s newest form.
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> > > 2533274926575406;8:
> > > > 2533274835068816;7:
> > > > > 2533274926575406;1:
> > > > > All though I am well aware of the previous three generations of Spartans (Orion S1, Orion II S2, S3) having hit them pretty hard over the years, even during the war with the Covenant, but Halo wiki is one of a few sources that said that after a while the UNSC/ONI nearly stopped any hostile action against the insurrection.
> > > > >
> > > > > There for, my question is:
> > > > > Despite what’s going on, could the insurrection become a serious threat to the UNSC/ONI like it was pre-war?
> > > >
> > > > Very much so. So long as the UEG continues to mandate Earth rule for any and all human colonies, the insurrection will never go away. It’s a response to a system of governance that is outdated and poorly suited to the context of the human species expanding into far flung corners of space over very long periods of time. What has happened is that the cultures of the colonies have evolved so much that they are totally different to the cultures on Earth that gave birth to them; especially in the case of secondary colonies that were established by other colonies, and not established by Earth. With differing cultures, differing economic prospects, differing levels of development and differing challenges it’s no surprise at all that the colonies will want, and need, greater autonomy to deal with the issues that uniquely impact them. The UEG thinks that just because everyone is human that everyone has the same outlook, the same political beliefs, the same culture and the same wish to be part of some unified human ethnostate. Such a expectation is absurd, and it will ensure that the Insurrection not only remains but potentially gets worse as advanced alien technologies begin to proliferate.
> > >
> > > …interesting
> > > You’d think ( IMO) that after what the covenant did to us they’d want to stick together…the whole safer in numbers thing
> >
> > The war didn’t have the same impact on every human world though, which means that there are going to be differing viewpoints on what the response should be. I would imagine that on worlds that were more directly affected by the war, people there (Or survivors from other worlds living there) would favor more human unity and more xenophobia of aliens. On worlds with little to no impact however, I wouldn’t expect there to be a great deal of favor for the idea of a tight human ethnostate.
> >
> > You see the Covenant were very thorough in what they did, and evacuations of millions of people from a besieged colony in the space of just a few days is virtually impossible for the UNSC. Therefore I don’t see there being a large chunk of the population post-war who experienced the most direct impacts of the war. Secondary impacts, like having your world swamped with refugees or having trade drastically cut due to the worlds you traded with being destroyed, would likely only be felt near to the edge of the Covenant’s advance (And again I doubt refugee issues would be significant). For colonies on the other side of human space from where the Covenant were coming from, their lives wouldn’t be impacted that much.
> >
> > The human-Covenant war lasted for 27 years, and was very far away for most surviving worlds. So in the post-war world, the Covenant was somebody else’s problem on far away worlds and is honestly old news by this point; news that is now three decades old. And they never reached their world, and now never will. I don’t think it’s surprising that people post-war focused on issues a lot closer to home, which for the colonies was the question of just how much loyalty they should really be owing to Earth.
> >
> > Another important factor is that humanity isn’t a nation and has no unified sense of identity or culture. The insurrection is a result of that, where people over time develop more loyalty to their colony than to a far away planet that they have never set foot on. These colonies develop their own cultures and dialects, and have differing levels of development and opportunity available to them. A lot of them aren’t really colonies anymore, and could qualify as nations in their own right. So the human-Covenant war might not be viewed as an attack on humanity by a lot of people, as that’s not really a group that people feel much emotional attachment to any longer; as an identity it has been subsumed by colonial identity.
> >
> > Strength in numbers can still happen under the UNSC, but it doesn’t have to be under the current system of UEG governance. The sphere of human majority worlds could create a system like NATO, and that might actually appeal to some worlds that have went fully independent. Another thing as well, which will grow in importance as time goes on, is that the UNSC isn’t the only power in the area that could conceivably offer human worlds protection in future. As the worlds of the Covenant depart from the old system, through factions like the SoS, other avenues for protection could open up.
>
> The UEG, like most attempts by a home world to maintain as much control over distant colonies as possible, went heavy handed. They didn’t really do anything as far as we know to mitigate the sense of hostility between the Inner and Outer Colonies. They didn’t lesson the Inner Colonies harsh demands for resources from the Outer Colonies, treating them more like extended resource rights then semi autonomous Colonies with their own governments and officials. Combine all what you’ve said here with the pressing demands for resources in a ever expanding population, and I assume that the Insurrection in some form or another was inevitable. What I wonder, is if there are still holdouts from the Pre-Covenant War Insurrection like those found on the space station visited by Chief during First Strike. The Insurrection took mutliple forms over its history, and while we have some of the Post-War Colonies which are vying for some form of Independence, I wonder if any of the old guard will come back. Or if most of them have died out, either to the Convenant or time, and all thats left is for the Insurrection to take it’s newest form.
This “old guard” you speak of is all but confirmed. A couple of the newer books include characters that were innies before the war and are still around after.
I also think it’s safe to say that most of the leadership that runs any post-war insurrectionist group was probably alive before the war or had parents involved in the insurrection.
i want to see what admiral Mattus Drake looks like
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> i want to see what admiral Mattus Drake looks like
It’s about time. We already know what his “Attack dog” looks like.
I think they’re being made to be a big threat to the UEG again. They have been extremely prominent in recent books and comics since Halo:4. Maybe we will finally get to see them in a game sometime soon.