For some of you that may not know, many players used second accounts for many devious things in Halo 2 and Halo 3. Sometimes it was for a fresh start and to be able to pub stomp for a good bit of levels(before the trueskill caught back up with them). On other occasions it was to simply play social games and only match against completely bad kids. Then their was also second account boosting. Second account 50 selling… And so on…
The thing was, OG XBOX and the 360 required XBL gold, so these accounts(usually) came at a price. For those that are unaware, XB1 allows for many(not sure how many, potentially unlimited) accounts, if the main account on the XB1 is gold. So if you have an XB1 and gold on your main account, you can essentially create tons of second accounts.
Anyone else see a potential problem here?
It’s a good thing though, for honest players that just want their stats to be their own, and each of their split-screen friends to have their own account for stats.
I’m pretty sure every account on the xbox one needs to have it’s own xbox live gold … if that is not the case then wow … that would be very interesting to be able to have as many accounts as you wanted on your xbox one and only have to pay gold for the price of one account. Do you have a link to this info? I just find it hard to believe MS would actually make you pay less for multiple accounts rather than paying for them all lol.
EDIT: The feature is apparently called ‘Home Gold’. From what it sounds like if one person has gold on the xbox then all other accounts that reside on that account get multiplayer and gold features too, I think? Guess anyone with a gold and silver account on the xbox one can confirm? I won’t be getting a xbox one until a month away from MC Collection.
As far as seconds accounts go though …
I have so many second accounts I had made for Halo 3. But not for the ‘devious’ purposes you explained. Minus the fact the xbox 360 gave you free 1 month trial cards (3 to be exact) when you bought the console I also got plenty of trial cards from a friend who used to work at a place that handed them out like candy. Needless to say making second accounts was for the fun of making hilarious gamertag names and then matching the rest of the account with it. I got some pretty epic pre and post game reactions back in the day.
I definitely have some golden account names I plan to bring back for MCC.
In terms of stopping people from having more than one account on their box to play MCC. Not a chance. Many people share consoles and having a restriction of a game tied to one account would be awful and impossible. There will always be players with second accounts no doubt but as long as they aren’t cheating the system I don’t see a problem. I know in Halo 3 after I got my main account maxed to 5 Star I started to play on another one to gain exp for it. I hit max rank and love Halo 3 so why not start over, so I did.
Players across the globe have been doing this for years, it’s kind of pointless to try and suggest a way to counter it since such a thing is impossible. I can say from experience that it’s not even remotely possibly to get noticed or punished for such a thing.
> Players across the globe have been doing this for years, it’s kind of pointless to try and suggest a way to counter it since such a thing is impossible. I can say from experience that it’s not even remotely possibly to get noticed or punished for such a thing.
I would assume with a feature of sharing gold, that Microsoft will beef up its protocols to detect abuse of this feature.
In the past, it was definitely something that you could get away with but today, I think they would work so this would be fixed with the xbox one. More so since they have this new feature of sharing gold.
> For some of you that may not know, many players used second accounts for many devious things in Halo 2 and Halo 3. Sometimes it was for a fresh start and to be able to pub stomp for a good bit of levels(before the trueskill caught back up with them). On other occasions it was to simply play social games and only match against completely bad kids. Then their was also second account boosting. Second account 50 selling… And so on…
Could you not speak like that? “Bad kids,” “pub stomp” et cetera. When you word your points this way it makes you seem like the “arrogant, competitive player” stereotype.
Pub Stomping is my past-time! It’s good fun, and as long as the guys getting 50’s and selling them don’t cheat (DDOSing, Standbying) why does it matter? Would it make a difference if they were on their 5 Star 50 accounts with 10,000 plus exp?
Also to answer you’re question you can only have 5 accounts active on one credit card. So there’s already a rule in place to keep people from making endless accounts.
A real problem is deranking.
If you don’t know what deranking is (you must be new to online Halo if you don’t)
It’s people who get 50’s then lose everygame on purpose and bring it down to the 1-3 range and start boosting till either they’ve boosted a player to 50 or someone on their team talks trash.
This is a problem because it keeps players that are plenty good enough to get past whatever level they’re at from ranking up until the derankers are out of their rank range. Vice Versa.
Well this is just something we’ll have to put up with.
If it’s based more on Halo 2’s competitive ranks and not Halo 3’s it won’t be too much of an issue though, since unlike Halo 3 ranks, Halo 2’s don’t lock, and aren’t based on the ‘highest ranks’ of other players in the game.
I wouldn’t worry about it too much, I’m sure they’ll have something in place to stop that. I’m convinced they were aware of the problem back in the day so you never quite know.
> > For some of you that may not know, many players used second accounts for many devious things in Halo 2 and Halo 3. Sometimes it was for a fresh start and to be able to pub stomp for a good bit of levels(before the trueskill caught back up with them). On other occasions it was to simply play social games and only match against completely bad kids. Then their was also second account boosting. Second account 50 selling… And so on…
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> > The thing was, OG XBOX and the 360 required XBL gold, so these accounts(usually) came at a price. For those that are unaware, XB1 allows for many(not sure how many, potentially unlimited) accounts, if the main account on the XB1 is gold. So if you have an XB1 and gold on your main account, you can essentially create tons of second accounts.
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> > Anyone else see a potential problem here?
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> > It’s a good thing though, for honest players that just want their stats to be their own, and each of their split-screen friends to have their own account for stats.
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> Could you speak like an adult? “Bad kids,” “pub stomp” et cetera. When you word your points this way it makes you seem like another arrogant competitive player.
I’m not some MLG brat elitist. I’m not even that hardcore into the competitive scene. It’s just the easiest way to get the point across. You replace my words for me and have it still deliver the same points and then I’ll edit my post. You have to remember who we’re talking to on these forums. Most of the players will fully understand my terms. I think you’re complaining for the sake of it…
> who cares?? seriously !!!
Well, it affect’s everyone, so I’d assume that everyone cares/should care. Some players make second accounts for the sole purpose of team killing/griefing. If the accounts are absolutely free, what’s to stop them from making more alts and team killing/obj hoarding after their account get’s banned? I guess you don’t mind when someone from your team or the other team purposely plays like a jerk to absolutely ruin the outcome of the game… I guess you don’t care when someone takes power weapons and jumps off the map after team killing you with said power weapon? You’re right though… Who cares…
> I would imagine that Microsoft will be able to see if you are abusing the “multiple accounts” feature.
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> Trust the banhammer.
no they wouldn’t.
I know lots of people who share a single xbox and have multiple accounts on that same console that their family shares. So they are gunna randomly banhammer consoles that have more than 1 account on it?
I don’t think so.
If it’s a feature xbox allows, in this case “unlimited” accounts it’s fair game. They aren’t going to ban players who have a new account that go into a single game (like MC Collection) that are playing by the rules. It’s not against the rules to make new accounts and ‘replay’ in a sense your games.
People may not like others having the ability to make new accounts but in all honesty with how many players there will be on the MC Collection and the fact we don’t even know what the ranking system will be like yet it’s a little bit too early to get into panic mode over second accounts.
For all we know the ranking system has a decay feature which means you have to keep playing on your account or your rank drops slowly over time. OR 343 may (unfortunately) reset everyone’s ranks from time to time like they did in Team Slayer on Halo 4 with CSR. That alone made it feel like everyone was getting a second chance already with the fact everyone was reset skill wise in those playlists. I don’t play Halo 4 often and every time I’d get on I would see my CSR was reset to 1 again … it was practically the same effect if I had made a new account. I had to go through and blast my through the low ranks again and it was done so by 343 resetting skill and if that was such a huge problem I don’t think 343 would have reset CSR that often.
Everyone is taking this second account thing way outta proportion. The only reason it bothers some is because they get beat. Here is the cure: beat them and get better and second account players won’t be a problem at all. They weren’t for me in Halo 3. Most who made second accounts in Halo 3 were desperate lvl 40’s thinking they could magically get a 50 but their playstyle is so predictable. There is nothing to fear about a fresh account if the people using them aren’t that skilled in the first place. Those who truly are skilled on a second account, well, thats free learning you get right there to face them and see why they are so much better.
Also take into consideration not everyone starts playing MC Collection the same day. Some good players might not be able to get a xbox one on day one of MC Collection and have to wait a half a year. So were gunna ban them for looking like a second account and starting late? That is what we call paranoia.
> I’m not some MLG brat elitist. I’m not even that hardcore into the competitive scene. It’s just the easiest way to get the point across. You replace my words for me and have it still deliver the same points and then I’ll edit my post. You have to remember who we’re talking to on these forums. Most of the players will fully understand my terms. I think you’re complaining for the sake of it…
Edit: Thinking back to this post makes me realize I was being just as arrogant. I also guess I didn’t realize people didn’t keep up with name changes through the years, but that’s besides the point.
> > I’m not some MLG brat elitist. I’m not even that hardcore into the competitive scene. It’s just the easiest way to get the point across. You replace my words for me and have it still deliver the same points and then I’ll edit my post. You have to remember who we’re talking to on these forums. Most of the players will fully understand my terms. I think you’re complaining for the sake of it…
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> I think as a top 16 player in Halo 2, and top 32 player in Halo 3 I’m complaining due to the reputation you’ve given a lot of us competitive players by speaking in these terms.
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> It’s not my job to check yourself, that is yours. Don’t be sorry, be better.
Top 16 Halo 2 player? Who are you?
OP, nice thinking on the second accounts thing. I had not thought about that with the next home gold plans they are using. I don’t think it will be much of a problem though. There were always second accounters back in the day. It wasn’t that bad of a deal. I just can’t wait to have ranks back.
> > I’m not some MLG brat elitist. I’m not even that hardcore into the competitive scene. It’s just the easiest way to get the point across. You replace my words for me and have it still deliver the same points and then I’ll edit my post. You have to remember who we’re talking to on these forums. Most of the players will fully understand my terms. I think you’re complaining for the sake of it…
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> I think as a top 16 player in Halo 2, and top 32 player in Halo 3 I’m complaining due to the reputation you’ve given a lot of us competitive players by speaking in these terms.
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> It’s not my job to check yourself, that is yours. Don’t be sorry, be better.
Are you serious right now? The dude got his point across fine. It’s not your job to check him? It’s not his job to worry about your reputation.
On topic, I’m going to have to read up on that multiple account thing. If it’s a feature they allow and not something that can get me banned I have an account I’d like to try out for kicks.
> On topic, I’m going to have to read up on that multiple account thing. If it’s a feature they allow and not something that can get me banned I have an account I’d like to try out for kicks.
trust me you have nothing to worry about. My 360 alone has 12+ accounts. Most are silver these days but back in the Halo 3 days I played on at least 4-5 in rotation. There are no rules saying you can’t have multiple accounts. Feel free to do whatever you want with your own equipment (as long as it is not against the ToS, and account creation obviously is not). If anyone gives you slack for it they can deal with it.
> People will continue to make second accounts forever. There is nothing that can be done about it, so don’t worry about it.
This is sadly true, but most players will have single accounts and play as intended.
This was an issue in H2/H3. But if you think the overall people who played, and how many had second accounts, would be a very small percentage.
So it should not be an issue, and I think the Ranking system will work a little different for MCC as it did for H2/H3.
We will know more at Gamescon regarding RANK.
Also, some players did have second accounts, because their main may have been between 40-50. But their mates were 20-30. It would sometimes be near impossible to find a game. Some people did this on purpose, to boost their friends to higher levels, but some just did this, to play with their friends.
