Season 1 trailer - lore inaccuracy

Games Halo Infinite
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I liked this cutscene. But I also value the lore very highly, so this is a bit frustrating to me.

The year is 2552, confirmed. (source)

Contradictions:

  • Mk7 was in prototype stage still by then, and not really commonly used. First known use of the prototype was in 2553. - The Type-57 Phantom was not commonly used by the Covenant and wasn’t actually even catalogued by the UNSC until 2557. - We don’t know much about the Pulse Carbine’s lore yet, other than that it’s first appearance is in Shadows of Reach in 2559. - Brute armours have been retconned. - Quote from Halo 2 “This is the only place on earth the Covenant decided to land”.Could be argued that none of this makes the occurrence completely impossible, just very unlikely. And this would not be incorrect.
    BUT.
    Exactly how rare would it be for these Brutes to have such rare armour(or non-existent) AND such rare weapons(or non-existent) AND such rare Phantoms, and go to London for some strange unknown reason we’ve heard nothing of ever, AND get taken out by (multiple) Spartans with such rare armour…

“This event is not a natural formation, someone built this, probably with nanobots”

I know it’s too late to change stuff like this, and I’ll live. Just wanna give my opinion anyway, and hear how others feel about it.
At least some sort of half-logical canonical excuse for this in the future would be appreciated.

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> I liked this cutscene. But I also value the lore very highly, so this is a bit frustrating to me.
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> The year is 2552, confirmed. (source)
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> Contradictions: - Mk7 was in prototype stage still by then, and not really commonly used. First known use of the prototype was in 2553. - The Type-57 Phantom was not commonly used by the Covenant and wasn’t actually even catalogued by the UNSC until 2557. - We don’t know much about the Pulse Carbine’s lore yet, other than that it’s first appearance is in Shadows of Reach in 2559. - Brute armours have been retconned. - Quote from Halo 2 “This is the only place on earth the Covenant decided to land”.Could be argued that none of this makes the occurrence completely impossible, just very unlikely. And this would not be incorrect.
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> Exactly how rare would it be for these Brutes to have such rare armour(or non-existent) AND such rare weapons(or non-existent) AND such rare Phantoms, and go to London for some strange unknown reason we’ve heard nothing of ever, AND get taken out by (multiple) Spartans with such rare armour…
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> *“This event is not a natural formation, someone built this, probably with nanobots”***I know it’s too late to change stuff like this, and I’ll live. Just wanna give my opinion anyway, and hear how others feel about it.**At least some sort of half-logical canonical excuse for this in the future would be appreciated.

Ok your last point makes little sense since A. The Covenant canonically did land elsewhere on Earth and B. Lord Hood tends to say dramatic although not always correct statements, ex: “and you shipmaster just glassed half a continent!” (Halo 3 - The Elites glass/quarantine Voi to prevent Flood outbreaks from the crashed cruiser.

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There’s also the matter of the whole “the events of the trailer are canon but the visuals are current era for the sake of a graphics showcase as well as the fact that it’s literally just a trailer it shows us like 5 ish things total of relevance to Halo lore” thing which… I mean yeah.

ALSO: other armor existing doesnt retroactively retconn previous armors. Seeing as most weapons and armor from the trailer is 2560-period, its logical to assume the Brutes are also wearing 2560-period armor and using that era of weaponry too.

Have you considered the graphics being irrelevant to the canon compared to the story events? Because that is clearly the case.

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Woe is me for the lore.

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Multiplayer isn’t canon

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> Ok your last point makes little sense since A. The Covenant canonically did land elsewhere on Earth

I believe that’s probably true now that I think about it, and the quote was from quite early in the invasion so things absolutely had time to change. I guess I didn’t fully think that one through.

> ord Hood tends to say dramatic although not always correct statements, ex: “and you shipmaster just glassed half a continent!”

Yes but that was Africa, and Flood spreads quickly too, so that’s not really related. but since you had a good point with “A” I suppose it doesn’t really matter.

> There’s also the matter of the whole “the events of the trailer are canon but the visuals are current era for the sake of a graphics showcase as well as the fact that it’s literally just a trailer it shows us like 5 ish things total of relevance to Halo lore” thing which… I mean yeah.

i personally prefer when they respect canon visually too though, and not only in the events.
And no it’s not just a trailer, if I understood correctly it’s also the first episode of the seasonal multiplayer story that will follow Laurette. And it’s meant to be canon.

> ALSO: other armor existing doesnt retroactively retconn previous armors.

Like I said, it could be argued that it’s just and extremely unlikely coincidence that all these “extremely rare” variations ended up in the same place at the same time. It’s not false, it’s just a bit of a stretch canonically speaking.

> Have you considered the graphics being irrelevant to the canon compared to the story events? Because that is clearly the case.

It’s not about graphics. Mk7 is not a graphically updated mk6, it’s a different canonical variation entirely. Pulse Carbine is not a Plasma Rifle with a new design, it’s a new weapon entirely, etc.

Yes I have considered that it is just a matter of how they visually wanted to present the scene, and yes it’s possible that this is the case like you say. But again, even if it’s meant to just be an art-style thing, I prefer when they take lore accuracy into consideration when they do these things.

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> Multiplayer isn’t canon

Multiplayer is intended to be canon in Infinite.

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> > Ok your last point makes little sense since A. The Covenant canonically did land elsewhere on Earth
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> I believe that’s probably true now that I think about it, and the quote was from quite early in the invasion so things absolutely had time to change. I guess I didn’t fully think that one through.
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> Yes but that was Africa, and Flood spreads quickly too, so that’s not really related. but since you had a good point with “A” I suppose it doesn’t really matter.
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> > There’s also the matter of the whole “the events of the trailer are canon but the visuals are current era for the sake of a graphics showcase as well as the fact that it’s literally just a trailer it shows us like 5 ish things total of relevance to Halo lore” thing which… I mean yeah.
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> i personally prefer when they respect canon visually too though, and not only in the events.
> And no it’s not just a trailer, if I understood correctly it’s also the first episode of the seasonal multiplayer story that will follow Laurette. And it’s meant to be canon.
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> > ALSO: other armor existing doesnt retroactively retconn previous armors.
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> Like I said, it could be argued that it’s just and extremely unlikely coincidence that all these “extremely rare” variations ended up in the same place at the same time. It’s not false, it’s just a bit of a stretch canonically speaking.
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> > Have you considered the graphics being irrelevant to the canon compared to the story events? Because that is clearly the case.
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> It’s not about graphics. Mk7 is not a graphically updated mk6, it’s a different canonical variation entirely. Pulse Carbine is not a Plasma Rifle with a new design, it’s a new weapon entirely, etc.
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> Yes I have considered that it is just a matter of how they visually wanted to present the scene, and yes it’s possible that this is the case like you say. But again, even if it’s meant to just be an art-style thing, I prefer when they take lore accuracy into consideration when they do these things.
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Again, the trailer is just a trailer.

The events? Canon. The visuals? Only how London itself looks. Most of these weapon/armor models either dont exist or are very rare amongst the Covenant.

Im not sure why the lore buffs all collectively decided the trailer for Season 1 of Halo Infinites Battle Pass was going to be a super ultra mega duper booper lore extravaganza with a hyper-lore-friendly trailer.

They embellish.

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> Again, the trailer is just a trailer.
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> The events? Canon. The visuals? Only how London itself looks. Most of these weapon/armor models either dont exist or are very rare amongst the Covenant.
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> Im not sure why the lore buffs all collectively decided the trailer for Season 1 of Halo Infinites Battle Pass was going to be a super ultra mega duper booper lore extravaganza with a hyper-lore-friendly trailer.
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Yep, plus they use models they have on hand. Realistically the only people that would care are lore buffs. Much like H4, this was most likely done to keep visual consistency to not confuse players. No difference in armor design cause its not really needed.

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> Again, the trailer is just a trailer.
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> The events? Canon. The visuals? Only how London itself looks. Most of these weapon/armor models either dont exist or are very rare amongst the Covenant.
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> Im not sure why the lore buffs all collectively decided the trailer for Season 1 of Halo Infinites Battle Pass was going to be a super ultra mega duper booper lore extravaganza with a hyper-lore-friendly trailer.
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> They embellish.

Again, it’s not just a trailer, it’s 1 part in a story that is going to continue in the game, that’s what they said in the breakdown.
All I’m saying is that I prefer if they stay true to canon for things like this. I’m just expressing that opinion. I appreciate detail, and appreciate the effort to avoid contradictions.
I get the vibe that you’ve misunderstood me and think that this is the end of the world for me, it’s not. But as a lore-fan still I find it annoying.

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> I liked this cutscene. But I also value the lore very highly, so this is a bit frustrating to me.
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> The year is 2552, confirmed. (source)
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> **I know it’s too late to change stuff like this, and I’ll live. Just wanna give my opinion anyway, and hear how others feel about it.**At least some sort of half-logical canonical excuse for this in the future would be appreciated.

Thanks a lot for reflecting on the trailer with lore accurate hypotheses! Some things were bothering me as well so nice to get feel of the authenticity.

Seeing they are taking the route of actually theatrical loading a MP season I think lore accuracy is quite important. Infinite as a celebration for Halo would really shine if cinematics and cutscenes are correct from that point of view (oh and please let chief appear with the weapon we are holding instead of magically appearing AR’s)

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> > I liked this cutscene. But I also value the lore very highly, so this is a bit frustrating to me.
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> > The year is 2552, confirmed. (source)
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> > **I know it’s too late to change stuff like this, and I’ll live. Just wanna give my opinion anyway, and hear how others feel about it.**At least some sort of half-logical canonical excuse for this in the future would be appreciated.
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> Thanks a lot for reflecting on the trailer with lore accurate hypotheses! Some things were bothering me as well so nice to get feel of the authenticity.
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> Seeing they are taking the route of actually theatrical loading a MP season I think lore accuracy is quite important. Infinite as a celebration for Halo would really shine if cinematics and cutscenes are correct from that point of view (oh and please let chief appear with the weapon we are holding instead of magically appearing AR’s)

Yeah it’s kind of in the middle between canon and not canon right now which is a bit awkward. Like are we supposed to pretend that they’re not actually holding Pulse Carbines? xD It’s just sort of an unnecessary change imo.
We had these kind of things in Legends too, I still like both legends and this trailer, but I would like them even more if they were lore-accurate.
I completely understand that not everyone is very bothered about the lore, but I’m glad there’s someone else who’s also reacted to it.

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343 has been doing this since halo 4. the elite minor with storm armor stabbing a civilian with an energy sword still irks me to this day. so many things wrong in just 1 cinematic lol