I feel like “warning us” on a live stream isn’t really valid when they’re warning us that they are removing access to features we paid for months ago.
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How have they removed features you paid for?
Genuinely unsure what you meant by that.
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As it stands now, obviously, there’s a free track and a premium track.
Both first and second battlepass, and nothing will most likely change in that aspect in the near future.
Nobody disputes this, nobody disagree with it.
i343 however doesn’t outright remove older Passes, they’re permanent.
Now here’s the thing, the quote explains that you can go back to older passes and continue progressing them, AND, you can also purchase them.
“All Battle Passes will be permanent. This means that the Season 1 Battle Pass will be around forever; you can always go back, select that as your active Battle Pass and continue to earn progress in it. If you decided to take a Season off, or you simply didn’t have time to play, that’s fine.”
Nothing in this part alludes to any changes in how older Passes behave compared to the newest ones. It merely explains the process how you can pick which to progress on. No prerequisites mentioned. Premium is not mentioned, Credits aren’t mentioned.
"You can always go back and purchased any prior Battle Pass as well.
“As well”:
PHRASE
You use as well when mentioning something which happens in the same way as something else already mentioned, or which should be considered at the same time as that thing.
It re-assures that older Passes can also be purchased.
In addition to what was in the first part, they can be purchased.
Progressing and purchase capabilities occur at the same time.
There’s nothing here either to hint at purchasing being a requirement to being able to progress older Passes, because the point about purchase isn’t tied to the progress part in any way, it’s merely additional information on another unrelated aspect of the Battlepass.
So we have a battle pass per season right.
Each battle pass has a free tier and a paid tier.
And
“The halo battle pass will never be taken away from you, and what I mean by that is once you buy it it’s yours and does not expire.”
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxQOYWhj-1f3RQ-_VOAC0XL4bnMO5aXnBZ
In the multiplayer reveal teailer they state specifically you can buy previous battle passes to access an older season’s content.
It was clear as day from the very start that this was a premium option only.
Sorry but i dont see how people can be surprised by this choice.
Not in favour of it mind you its sort of evil but it was communicated to us clearly is all im saying.
All free stuff should be tracked simultaneously to give new players more incentive to stay imo.
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I’m talking about the quote provided
Im aware im just cutting straight to the point as it was easier than discussing the language laws of arguementative logic dude.
Apologies if the shortness causes any offense.
Didnt have time to go down that rabbit hole rn.
Edit: Gotta love @ronnie42 “if you dont parrot my opinion its bait because im infallible”'s dedication haha.
How about actually saying something?
This entire discourse was formed on the back of the assertion they lied or mislead people about the seasonal content so to end it I provided concrete evidence to the contrary. No bait here. Just facts.
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Maybe reevaluate what your bio says.
to cause trouble or controversy - stir the pot in British English
to cause trouble or controversy, esp deliberately.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/stir-the-pot
Edit: False flagged, all I did was supply a dictionary defintion.
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And I elaborated on it further.
When you “stir the pot” literally, it agitates the settled ingredients and swirls them around in the vessel mixing them into a polyphony of flavor and textures.
Give me a better term to use, and I’ll substitute it out but with further explanation I feel like it works best. When I “stir the pot” the intention is to make the “soup” into “soup” and to keep it from being a boring brothy parfait.
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In a dishonest manner, I gave you the normalized/standard and publicly accepted defintion of the object in your bio.
Uh huh.
You have a lot more patience than I do. A whole lot more.
used be a chef and a teacher.
It was learned and earned my friend.
And I im happy to beat something into someone be it how ro hold a knife or how to make a sentence a logic gate if it will benefit them in the future.
And by trying to improve anothers arguement ill often learn something new of my own or be shown my own error.
In this case however I appear to be shouting into a void of ignorance where one would rather lambast 343i for things they did nit do rsther than for the myriad things they did do.
But this is my community regardless and I wont abandon any of you.
The season ran from November-May, it’s not like there wasn’t time to unlock all of the freebies in that window. Unless you showed up late to the party, of course. Even then, having to pay for the free items after the timer goes off on the season doesn’t strike me as a pressing issue. Most developers do something similar in scenarios like this.
I get it. It’s 343, everybody riot. I loathe 343’s management and the direction they’re taking Infinite as much as the next guy. The lack of transparency, the blatant disregard for what Halo fans actually want. It’s their game, not ours and they’ve made that pretty clear.
The devs themselves probably don’t agree with management, but the devs are unfortunately disposable in management’s eyes. If they don’t do the job they’re given, someone else will.
I’m still going to pay for the battle pass, not to support 343 but to support Halo. I’d hate to see Halo crash and burn along side 343.
All of the hate and backlash is getting kind of old. We’re talking to ourselves. Might as well sit back, and just see what happens at this point.
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I don’t believe anybody here was arguing that 6 months wasn’t enough time. That’s quite beside the point.
That being said, I think there is a lot of sense in the other things you pointed out.
It was more of a response to his “some day” than anything. I know he didn’t specifically say that it wasn’t enough time. There just aren’t many games nowadays where you can go back and get something someday, if you want it you have to do it here and now.
I don’t agree with it. But that’s how it is.
This would be the perfect reason for 343 to implement a loot crate style system like they had in Halo 5, with a way to buy them using in-game currency that you earn just by playing.
For people to be able to spend their in-game currency on them and potentially get expired battle pass items or store items that are out of circulation.
Outside of grinding for rank and the battle pass, infinite doesn’t offer much in terms of reward for time invested. Even with the battle pass, there’s hardly any reward for time invested unless you buy it to be able to use the premium tier items you unlocked.
At least that loot crate system in Halo 5 felt like a reward on its own. Except when it didn’t cause you didn’t get anything in the pack 
Great points made!
Just to play catch up may I refer both of ye to my post staring with a tag of nasqser. 12 posts above this (deleted included).
There is a clip that explicitly warned everyone about this happening from the mp reveal trailer.
Think we can put our energy towards real critisms than griping at every bad practice.
Or at least be accurate in our critique of said practices to lend credence to those critiques.
Certainly a poor move on behalf if 343i but it was telegraphed from the start.
We were warned, as minor a consillation as that may be.
Pitiful management cant be excused but we need to endevour to call it out when its revealed not 6 mi ths down the line after much blind hype and kudos for their “pro consumer” “player first” model.
God this game is train wreack after train wreck.
We briefly discussed that statement closer to the top of the thread. None of us remembered the exact wording though, I only remember how I interpreted it at the time (ish), which was clearly incorrectly.
However I would not call this a warning, even less an explicit one.
“The Halo battle pass (not specifying premium) will never be taken from you.”
If this sentence was said on it’s own it would have felt clear that they would’t take the pass from anyone at all.
“What I mean by that is once you buy it it’s yours and does not expire.”
The second part of the statement “almost” contradicts the first part, or at least gives mixed messages and causes confusion. I believe it possible that this was completely consciously, deliberate and strategic.
They also deliver the statement with a reassuring intent, not a warning one. They are capitalising what we “won’t” loose rather than what we “will”.
In fact, they are not specifying at all what will apply for free players, we have to somewhat read between the lines and make an assumption which I don’t think we should have been expected to do if 343 had our best interest at heart (not that you’ve claimed they did have our best interest at heart ofc).
Another thing that I think can be easy to forget is just how little we knew back then about how the free vs paid content would work.
Despite being extremely active back then and followed all the news I remember being surprised about just how little free content there was once the game officially launched, and I remember feeling a little misled.
I can read that statement with new eyes after 6 months. But I don’t think it’s completely fair to expect us to have understood the full meaning of those words with the limited knowledge we had back then. And it’s natural that most people won’t go back and analyse the statement after the game is out.
(EDIT): I though some more about it driving home, and I think I recall speculating that maybe we would get something along the lines of separate battle passes. Some free in the base game (MCC style) and some bought. Not because they ever indicated that this would be the case, but just because we lacked clear information about it. With that in mind, it’s possible that it never occurred to me that this statement even had anything to do with the free content whatsoever.
If 343 wants to respect their fans, these are the kind of things that should be said boldly, outright, and made clear.
All fair points dont have time to go looki g at sources so just taking it at face.
But the intial reveal was an explicit warning regardless.
Bad pratice all the same but foreshadowed it was.
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When I purchased the battle pass I was told it would get me another challenge slot, and it wasn’t at all mentioned that I would lose the 4th challenge slot for season 1 when season 2 starts.
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I don’t think it was ever stated that it would be 1 challenge slot per battle pass purchase.
I believe it’s meant to act more like a premium membership than a traditional battle pass. You have to stay current with your premium membership in order to use the benefit like the additional challenge slot.
You paid for premium during season 1. Season 1 ended, so naturally your benefit ended.
If you pay for premium during season 2, you’ll be able to use the benefit for the duration of season 2.
Similar in concept to a game like SWTOR where premium members get benefits like discounts on store items, or X amount of premium currency every month when their membership renews.
The battle pass design on Infinite seems to be heading in that direction, but we’re not seeing any other benefits yet. No store discounts. No premium currency that we can use in the shop. Just a challenge slot and the ability to unlock premium tier in-game items.
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Sorry - so the fourth slot you bought for Season One no longer exists when you load up Season One?
That is horse poop. You paid for that. It is yours.
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