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You keep saying that but have yet to provide evidence.
They never said majority thats a narative you have concocted and are pushing in these forums.

@ShinigamiWolfie 343i have a history of predatory rhetoric but the lies people keep talking about arent lies they are just sneaky statements.

@Spam8358 ya i agree its not cool but it is a reality with 343i historically. So its important for peeps to wose up and see throught the marketing speak to discern what is really being said to manage expectations or lack there of accordingly yano?

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Yeh exactly 343i should be accountable. What’s scary is people defending this type of behavior and straight up pretending like they did nothing wrong despite the fact that 343i proven without a doubt they lied and is a well known fact in the community. :thinking:

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Well when you reference a quote that doesn’t exist, of course you’re going to be unhappy with your own misrepresentation of it.

You shouldn’t expect everyone to know about what they say over streams, but when the quote is as easy to find as a simple Google search you’d think that players such as yourself wouldn’t be misquoting it so frequently.

Nope, still not “a majority”.

Made a few modifications to your statement to make them more accurate.

Taking advantage of thrown stones in glass houses in

3…

2…

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343 never made this claim.

If so you’d be able to cite it with a link.

Prior to season 2, yes the playerbase was.

Prior language to this in June 2021 alluded to previous battlepass completion as being a premium path…

343 never made this claim.

If so you’d be able to cite it with a link.

Is “a lot of stuff” not unlocked by just playing the game?

What’s “a lot” mean to you? Shoot me a number.

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Even i would say 90% of the games unlockables are behind some form of paywall and thats pretty scummy. Most gamers would agree those that wouldnt either are too young to have experienced gaming without a paywall or have too much cash for their own good. Companies pray youll spend money on their game. Many have closed simply because their games werent providing enough profit.

As for the things being earnable oh they did make that statement live. Not sure if theres a video or link tonit but theres been a lot of censorship lately so it wouldnt surprise me to find something like that removed or scrubbed from the web after all most of us use the software developed by microsoft.

However they slipped the cracks by giving us shaders emblems weapon colors and just all around stuff people didnt want there was a few armor pieces but nothing anyone couldnt earn in a prior game and had the option of even wasting their hard earned credits on it or keeping them for the item they wanted.
We also cant forget that the paid campaign didnt offer anything outside of those lackluster items as well.

Jump back 10 or 12 years ago and every single item we just had to pay for came in a full 60$ package and some dedicated time. Where is there any reason to defend anyone who practices this kind of shady behavior.

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Isnt that the basis of a lie though? To be sneaky and not tell the truth? Even if its a white lie or anything of the sort? Not just that but a lot of shady or scummy practices have befell the loyal community of halo.

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My guy chill less you bring around people even i dont feel like dealing with and trust me youll know em when you meet em

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So 10% isn’t a lot?

10% is missing a day of work in a biweekly work schedule.

9.2% (less than 10%) was enough stock for Elon Musk to become the majority Shareholder for Twitter.

I counted 132 free items that have been available to obtained for free. Not counting Anniversary, future Fractures, default, HCS, or other promos that awarded unlocks simply by watching/logging in. When factoring in the other aspects, you’re probably seeing more than 10% of the cosmetics available to the player for free.

I’d start digging for it then. If it was stated, it certainly hasn’t been purposefully targeted and deleted. The internet may be vast, but it doesn’t forget.

If politicians/people/organizations more powerful than 343i can’t have their blunders scrubbed from existence, there’s slim to no chance 343i has.

I’d avoid acting as a proxy covering for @ronnie42’s lies unless you have something to cite backing up their assertions.

What’s “lackluster”? And why is it “lackluster”? It sounds to be like personal opinion rather than some objective truth.

Because a shift in business models to reflect a change in the market (alongside changes development costs, jumps in technology, operational costs, inflation, marketing, success/failure, etc over the last 10-12 years) isn’t shady, it’s adaptation by a company to attempt to keep an IP relevant in a time when it’s struggling.

If a box copy model would be more successful than Infinite’s model, then the MCC and it’s post launch support should be the most successful thing 343 has ever developed.

The only thing I would consider shady is 343’s use of vague (at times half truth) language rather than just spilling the beans all at once.

Because you don’t post anything backing your claims up that 343i actually said any of those things.

I dig a little and find the actual quotes that you’re misremembering/misappropriating, and get called a liar for citing links that contradict your neglected narrative :joy:

I’m no fan of 343i’s half truth vague statements, because even connecting the dots in the most objective way possible gets me labeled as a shill when all I’m trying to do is explain the language used. I’m not a 343 defender, I’m an English Language nerd who likes to argue.

Now, just waiting on your response to having your lies quoted. But I’m most likely going to get a bait react and subtextual indirect responses instead.

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Mmk so ima just go ahead and do as hes done and block ya at this point as im no friend of the new fans that protect shady practices not to mention after going to do so i read your little info spot saying you are straight up here to stir the pot. Im not here to listen to you say the same thing 80 times to try and make somone mad

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Kinda hard to react to people you’ve blocked, downright impossible actually lol.

It sounds to me like I’ve got some points that are irrefutable and you simply don’t want to discuss them further as nothing I’ve said is defending anyone.

Yeah lol, there’s nothing fun about sitting cross legged in an echo chamber where everyone says the same thing in blissful ignorance, let alone when straight up lies are being peddled like they’re gospel truth with nobody calling them out because they’re angwy.

Sorry, I prefer conversation on a public forum.

It’s not my intention to make anyone mad, just calling out horse hockey and looking for some dialogue. You’re in the wrong place if you’re not here to have a conversation.

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No. A lie is an untrue statement.
But factually 343i, at least in regards to the exame
ples presented in this thread, have not made u true statements.
Instead they employed decepitve rhetoric.
As such it is useful for us the consumer/community to take note of these tactics and be aware of them for the future.

They were dishonest in how they told the truth.
If we ourselves are dishonest in our critisms we are only robbing ourselves of credibility and that only serves to undermine us as a group in the exact same way you and others, such as ronnie for example.

In relation to your other comments id emplore you to not create an echo chamber to feel like you are in the right because it serves no1.
It makes your arguement vastly less utile.
Engage with people you disagree.
Also you have opinions but that doesnt mean you have a right to dismiss or “hate” new fans.
Not all new fans support 343is bs.
Should we consider the 343i era player numbers the statistics suggest that is a substantial minority.

Nor does being factual make someone a defender of bad business pratices.
For example ive ecplained in multiple thrwads prior that some of the same people who supported this product financially are the ones labeling others deffenders.
I did not buy the game because I felt given what I had seen and what had been said that it wasnt a game id lile to support.
I did buy the 2 BPs but only when i saw the content and determined i was happy with the product thats my due diligence and duty as a consumer. And my right as one is to recieve what was advertised for the sum payed.
In no case has that contract been breached by 343i.
While we cannot abide bad practices and empty rhetoric.
We also cannot respond to it with more unsubstantiated empty rhetoric because thats just stooping to the level of those you are trying to shame.
Which in itslef would be considerd shameful.

Companies use language specifically.
For example
“Carlsberg the best beer in the world, probably.”
The sentence is made to make the product sound better than the reality while maintaining enough vague language to avoid making absolute statements that can later be labeled as false.
Same reason toyota no longer use the slogan,
“Best built cars in the world.”

Ultimately you dont look good if you accuse someone of lying by using lies. And deciding of they are just obsessed with mindlessly supporting a company when infact thry are just being more accurste i their language and making a case against them with less holes isnt going to achieve anything. Besides dividing and conquering.

Im not suggesting you have to think like others or change your view but censoring the people you dont agree with, especially when they are evidently correct is only making your arguement weaker where they could be stronger.
Or dont thats your perogative.

This is coming from a guy whoe has yet to think 343i have delivered a well executed story. That sprint has no place in halo. Who believes dual wielding should have stayed. Etc.

Side note who are the “new” fans and who are the “loyal” fans?
The ones who have been playing for a decade or more with 4/cea?
The ones who kept playing 2V, 3, reach, 4, 5, mcc, infinite?
Or those who droped one of or all those titles?
I often see this otherisation of fans who have different wants and its a very weak apporach.
They are all fans same as any other so long as they consider themselves fans.
Lets be real bungie lied straight to our faces i remeber E3 03, “No smoke and mirrors” pfffft what a load of bollox.

If you want your critique to be taken seriously and your opinion respected, respect others enough to let them voice their own and be heard.
And be fair in those critique.
Dishonest tactics to bemoan dishonesty is honestly a fools game.
And just makes you look lacking in an ability to make coherent arguements.
Arguements of which their are many to be rightfully made against 343is management.

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Sorry for the typos, if theres anyhting unclear im happy to fix it.

(Wont edit them out because a user used that as an excuse to dismiss my points in a prior conversation because he claimed i changed my statements to make myself look less like a 343i fanboy or some such nonsense.
When really my “defending” was actually just being honest and accurate in my reading of the situation.)

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This is part of the shady practice though that should be held accountable as lieing you shouldntbbe able to vaguely word it with1 word like probably and get away with it not being any form of false advertisement. I believe you shouldnt be able to lie or hide your true intetions from your cunsumers and customers

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Yup

As I pointed out before.

First part of the quote talk about selecting active battle passes, previous ones being around forever.

Last sentence says “ as well ”. A rewritten way of what you quoted would be:

“You can activate previous Battle passes, and progress in them. Old battle passes can also be bought”

Because “as well” is synonymous to “in addition” and “too”. Nothing prior to the last sentence have anything to do with Battle passes being purchased, and the last one only ensure that in addition to progressing older battle passes, you can purchase them.

Remove the last sentence, and there’s nothing in that part even tangenting anything monetary. There’s nothing there tying a premium pass to progressing it when a new battlepass has been released.
Basically, “you missed it, you can go back”.
The last sentence is then "If you didn’t purchase it, you can do that too / as well.

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I mean I agree in sentiment sure. But not in reality necause now you are talking about reframing decades of legallity and holding 343i accountable in a fashion different to every other company.
And no vague language shiuld not be held accountable for lying because that isnt a lie.
Vague language and marketing rhetoric exist.
Best case scenario is you learn to read it for what it is right?
Because a company isnt gonna spend m8llions on marketing to have the truth plainly explained in a way that hurts the viability of a product thats just bad business.
Regardless of it being good faith.

Id love to live in the paradise you are conjuring up but sadly that is not the reality we live in. Perhaps somewhere in the multiverse some version of us would be so lucky my friend.
But its naive to expect such a thing in this life.
Legally speaking.

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@Naqser i dont follow?
The quote clearly indicates you can go back via the premium route.
It makes no effort to suggest you can access prior seasons for free.
It only implies it was free if you squint and titlt ones head when reading haha.

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i will refer to how fast food restaurants use frozen food thats been cooked on the outside only to appear bigger not to mention the portions are bigger in ads as well when it comes to the letuce tomato cheese and even the bacon being different. All fast food companies are currently being held liable for lying just for using that practice that everyone knows about.

Everyone knows that all companies not just 343, use vague wording to avoid lawsuits. And in this case im not saying 343 be the only ones held accountable for this. But they shoild be held accountable for their actions as they pulled the no mans sky trick, big promises and a failure to deliver

now how about 5s absolute false advertising. Ya know the story of locke killing chief or cheif killing locke at least thats what the advertising showed. while there is plenty to say now that wasnt their intention back when it first released all we had was locke point a gun at chief who was beaten on the ground. Vastly different from the game we got. no mention of lockes team but added ok cool. Played the game and while i was (hunting the truth) i found the game we got was vastly different than what was originally advertised so much so that im not even sure what truth we were hunting.

As for buying a game in good faith i wanted to give them a chance they just proved they dont deserve it however thanks to games pass i didnt have to buy infinite or 5 and thus havent supported them financially since halo 4 release

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My sacrasmo-meter is in for maintenance at the moment.
We serious here?

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Ok so that entire first 2 paragraphs have no baring on this what so ever because that practice shows literal false representation and even then they are for the most part be it companies or market regions not being held liable.
So while an absolutely vile practice it does not support your arguement much if at all.

Again the promotuonal stuff in live action and HTT (side note what a great story so much better than any 343i game narrative imo and mark hamills kentucy fried joker preacher was anazing)
Did not misrepresent the game.
They never claimed these were depictions of the game.
AHTK is protected by artisric interpretation and lack of out right statements they depicted the actual game. Like we are odst before it.
And in the end the search for awol blue team was the games story chief and locke did fight which if we are honest is all AHTK implied.
Pre launch advertising heavily covered both blue team and FTO the squad and the hiring of the designer of republic commandos squad all pushed widely by marketing.
And its not unusual for chamges deep into dev see any other halo fps for examples haha. “Weres my apple halo rts/tps!”

I never stated you supported them i was simply pointing out an hypocrisy that is prevelant.
You said you wanted tk give them a chance not sure what that means as you didnt buy the game.

Point is the actual advertising of the product in halo 5 was indeed accurate, the gameplay was real, there was a beta, massive story and mission previews and full mission walkthroughs of the game.
None of it false like halo2s were in 03. What was shown of the product was infact the profuct and the sprint went as far as to show iterations of it and explain how it had evolved over time.
So again while i agree 343i have been u trustworthy and failed us many times and have been dubious in their language youve yet to make a cogent arguement as to how they decieved people.

That said i cant believe how hyped i was for 5 Nd how let down i was at launch but hey least i learned from it i guess havent trusted a single statement since.

Edit: “would say, for any FPS going out will have always have split-screen in going forward.” B.R. 343i, GDC
Like this for example glad i took it with tje tiniest grain of salf cause still waiting for that one :rage:

Edit: @Naqser yes, gramatically speaking the quote implied there was a paid track for older seasons, not so much a free one as predatory as it was phrased.
The rewriting of it altered it substantially. Hence why a rewrite was neccessary for your arguement to wprk i suppose. Thought you made a joke tbh.

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They didn’t weaponise FOMO. If they warned us a couple months before, then people would have felt pressured to buy the pass before it was too late. As it was, no one even had time to worry about it before it was too late!

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From what I’m seeing there is a clear advantage to those playing PC. Now this may have something to do with the whole keyboard/mouse versus controller issue. But from all the BTB matches I’ve played, at least 90% of all the top kills were players on PC.

#DisableCrossPlay

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@ShinigamiWolfie Ive quite clearly stated it is deceptive.
But by definition it isnt lying.
I havent deffended any of it.
Im quite out spoken in my distaste and disappointment.
Im just not making things up to support my arguement.
Nor do I need to rely on hyperbole or lies in making a case that 343i is the most fumbling mismanaged studio in the AAA space.
Im just a realist that doesnt wish to engage in very dishonest practices that I call out in others as that would be hyprlcritical of me.
Please give a single example of me defending 343i because ive been candid in my feelings of disgust.

Perhaps my morals are just stong enough as to not let blind hate force me to undermine my own arguments against half truths and predetory language as to resort to using it myself?

Also please be so kind as to not ignore huge amounts of my statements in your replies in futre as cherry picking parts and ignoring very obvious double standards is incredibly weak argumentation

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