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> > > > > > Other than the fact that they changed Halo’s iconic BR scope to RDS, my problem with ADS in general is the fact that the full autos are now infringing on the BR’s mid-range niche. This is why I never wanted the ODST SMG put into MM because I knew it was going to negatively affect the ranged weapons, but it looks like they did it anyways.
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> > > > > > TBH, I’m not liking the way this sandbox is being designed so far. Close range, mid range, and long range used to be in their own separate niche in the past. Now it’s all one grey area. ADS is not going to make full autos more skillful. It’s just going to make them even easier to use than they were before.
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> > > > > To be fair, that whole mid/short/long niche thing never really worked in the first place. DMRs and Needle Rifles were just as effective close-range in Reach; same thing with the BR in Halo 2, and BR in Halo 3. Precision weapons have always dominated.
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> > > > > Edit: Oh, and the pistol in Halo CE.
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> > > > So now close range weapons are going to dominate instead? Problem solved!
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> > > > The problem was never precision weapons dominating, it was the other weapons not being used correctly. Could mid range weapons be used at close range? Sure, but not as effectively as close range weapons could, and vice versa. One of Halo’s trademarks is it’s diversity of weapons in the sandbox. But if the only difference between spawning weapons is fire mode, that diversity is lost, and you get a sandbox full of spawn weapons that can more or less be used the same way, much like COD’s selection of generic bullet hoses.
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> > > “You know how in previous games you could use your binoculars when you had an Assault Rifle or any other non-precision weapon? Well for automatics they seem to have slapped a reticle onto that binocular with the ADS mechanic. So the Assault Rifle’s not going to become 600m+ accurate when you aim down sights, but now your aiming circle carries over to what was formerly your binoculars.”
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> > > It’s not going to be like COD where the assault rifles can go across the entire map. I heard somewhere that the BR was going to be buffed to 3shot for a specific game mode that only had small maps.
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> > > Edit: Also, what are you talking about mid range weapons not being effective in close range? Have you forgotten the 3shot Halo CE pistol that destroyed roughly 99% of the weapon sandbox? Or the BR from Halo 2 with the button combos that could fire 4 bursts in one combo, or do bxr? Not to mention that since they dominate mid-range, by the time a person with the assault rifle gets to “close range” against someone with a precision weapon, they’re likely almost already dead. Most of the sandbox has always been useless by default.
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> > And let me restate what I said before: Giving close range weapons a zoom/ADS function is not going to make them more skillful. On the contrary, it will make them less skillful, because there’s already no skill in spray n pray. But spray n pray with more range from ADS/zoom? That’s overkill.
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> > Of course not, only the DMR will be doing that now, since it’s the only weapon that actually still has a scope. I doubt even the BR will be able to harass it at long range now that it has RDS. And the fact that the BR has to be buffed beyond its standard shots to kill is proof that it is struggling against the rest of the sandbox on smaller maps. Now think, what weapons are going to be a problem on smaller maps?..oh right, close range weapons.
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> > I know the CE pistol destroyed the rest of the sandbox, but then again it was never meant to be a 3sk. Someone at Bungie changed it at the last minute before the game was released.
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> Now think, what maps are close range weapons supposed to do well on? Oh right, smaller maps. The fact that they are buffing the BR for maps that it’s not supposed to do well on means that they’re trying to readjust the sandbox so it still has a place. I mean take a look at beaver creek and then try to tell me with a straight face that a 5 shot DMR is going to work extremely well on that map. There’s a reason that when they put that map in Reach with the Anniversary DLC they gave you the original 3shot pistol.
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> You seem to still be confused on ADS. ADS does not, I repeat, does not extend the range of the weapon. It’s still the exact same range as before.
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> As for “less skillful” - look, if you’re looking for a competitive gametype, those don’t even include extraneous weapons like plasma rifles and assault rifles. It doesn’t make sense to talk about skill in a playlist that’s meant to be casual.
The BR’s place is at mid range, which is now being contested because full autos can reach that range as well.
Full auto weapons never had zoom/additional sights before. Those weapons are now going to be more effective at mid range, which is not an area that they should be effective in.
I do not play competitively, but I still do want the game to have some sense of skill and challenge to it, that’s why I liked the previous Halo games so much. Also, the sandbox design affects the entire game, not just one area. If I have a BR, and someone else has an AR, I don’t want them beating me at mid range just because they had a zoom function on their weapon and their spray of bullets forced me out of scope so that I couldn’t get a shot on them.
The addition of ADS was clearly to give the full autos a boost, as well as making players from other fps franchises more comfortable when switching over. But neither of these things were necessary. Regarding the former, full autos have always been designed to be close range weapons, but now 343 is trying to redesign the purpose of those weapons, even though they worked fine before.
As for the latter, that is a terrible excuse to implement the mechanic. Halo shouldn’t be adapting to and catering for those other fps player’s preferences, those players should be adapting to HALO. That’s how the gaming market becomes more diverse, but right now it seems to be getting more and more diluted since every game studio seems to be adding the same mechanics that other shooters on the market are using, regardless of how similar or different they might play out.
