Save final judgement.

Save final judgement for when there is something final to judge.

I urge everyone here to listen to this, especially those in doubt of Halo 4.
Save final judgement for release, when we see everything and everything is final.

Judgeing the game now isn’t wise. Things can change before release, things may be better or worse. If you judge it now, negatively or positively, things won’t always turn out as you expected.

If you judge it negatively now, you are practically blinding yourself. When you blind yourself with hate or dislike, you make it very difficult to enjoy it in the end. You end up convincing yourself that it will be bad, and from then on you will see it as bad. When you see it as bad, it is hard to enjoy it, am I right? Blinding yourself with hate now may make you miss out. If Halo 4 does end up being good and to your liking, but you already blinded yourself, you may not see it right. Even if you would have liked it before, you wouldn’t like it now because you convinced yourself that it wouldn’t work, it would be bad. Please, save final judgement, don’t hurt yourself.

If you judge it positively now, you may still be blinding yourself. If you think everything will be good, but something ends up being bad, you may not see it. You’ll be convinced that anything will work. It can make others frustrated if you blindly worship anything that comes. You might also be setting yourself up for disappointment. If the game fails, it’ll be a serious blow if you truly believed it wouldn’t. Its not a good feeling.

Thinking positively or negatively, liking it or disliking it is okay. But do not jump to conclusions this early. That goes for both sides, liking it and disliking it.

Opinions are okay, as long as they are constructive and organized. You may think spamming ideas across the forums will get it noticed and accepted. It may work quite opposite. Especially if it is a completely opinionized thought and you don’t offer any argument (shut out anyone disagreeing), people will become annoyed and will ignore it. If you think making everything capitalized and raging will get you noticed, it doesn’t help. It makes people view you in negative ways and dislike discussing/arguing with you.

Overall, both of these things will lead to a negative and somewhat depressing mood in the forums, to everyone. No one wants to discuss Halo 4 on the forum if it is filled with negativity and complaints.

The forums aren’t your complain box. They are for constructive purposes, whether criticism, feedback, or praise.

So, please keep these in mind.
Save final judgement for when there is something final to be judged.
The forums aren’t your complaint box. Make what you say constructive in some way, offering a discussion for both sides of an argument.

Keep the forums clear of spam and clutter, keep a positive and helpful atmosphere. No not flame or hate or bash others or the game, discuss your opinions in organized ways. Accept other criticism, accept other ideas.

Yes, I realize that “haters gonna hate”. I just hope that people will try to save judgement for release, and will support a more helpful forum.
This thread is not trying to sway people’s opinions or spread my own opinions. I just encourage people to save judgement and keep the forums nice and helpful, so you don’t hurt yourself and will keep Waypoint open and friendly for all Halo fans.

Halo 4 is awesome.

There IS stuff to judge though. I don’t see there being major overhauls between now and the time when the game goes gold.

> Halo 4 is awesome.

Uhh… ok?

> There IS stuff to judge though. I don’t see there being major overhauls between now and the time when the game goes gold.

Yes, there is. But you can’t make a final judgement now.

Having opinions about the current standing of Halo 4 is okay. Judging Halo 4 as a whole isn’t.

I will only make my final judgement when the game is released but there is still plenty of things to criticise right now.

Agreed. There is still so much that 343 need to add. Presume but do not judge.

> > There IS stuff to judge though. I don’t see there being major overhauls between now and the time when the game goes gold.
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> Yes, there is. But you can’t make a final judgement now.
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> Having opinions about the current standing of Halo 4 is okay. Judging Halo 4 as a whole isn’t.

Yes, I really can make a final judgement now. I’ve seen multiplayer gameplay. I have a good idea on 343’s approach to campaign. I don’t believe that things will be too different on launch day.

Evaluating only after purchase is a pathway to disaster.

At least you are promoting constructive arguments. I don’t see anything wrong with that. So much can change from now, it’s pretty clear now. Mindless praise is just as bad as mindless bashing IMO.

> > > There IS stuff to judge though. I don’t see there being major overhauls between now and the time when the game goes gold.
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> > Yes, there is. But you can’t make a final judgement now.
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> > Having opinions about the current standing of Halo 4 is okay. Judging Halo 4 as a whole isn’t.
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> Yes, I really can make a final judgement now. I’ve seen multiplayer gameplay. I have a good idea on 343’s approach to campaign. I don’t believe that things will be too different on launch day.
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> Evaluating only after purchase is a pathway to disaster.

Evaluating before release is a pathway to disaster.

You can have opinions, you may have a good idea of what is going to happen. I’m just saying, don’t make your final judgement now. Wait until you see everything in action.

I have my opinion, I believe it’ll be great. But I haven’t seen everything, and will not make my final judgement now.
You have your opinion, you may think it’ll be bad. You haven’t seen everything, so you shouldn’t make your <mark>final</mark> judgement now.

> At least you are promoting constructive arguments. I don’t see anything wrong with that. So much can change from now, it’s pretty clear now. Mindless praise is just as bad as mindless bashing IMO.

Exactly.

> I will only make my final judgement when the game is released but there is still plenty of things to criticise right now.

Yes. Criticise, have opinions, but do not make final judgement.

Do you think they’ll bring back 7th on 7? Keeping with the tradition?

> > > > There IS stuff to judge though. I don’t see there being major overhauls between now and the time when the game goes gold.
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> > > Yes, there is. But you can’t make a final judgement now.
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> > > Having opinions about the current standing of Halo 4 is okay. Judging Halo 4 as a whole isn’t.
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> > Yes, I really can make a final judgement now. I’ve seen multiplayer gameplay. I have a good idea on 343’s approach to campaign. I don’t believe that things will be too different on launch day.
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> > Evaluating only after purchase is a pathway to disaster.
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> Evaluating before release is a pathway to disaster.
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> You can have opinions, you may have a good idea of what is going to happen. I’m just saying, don’t make your final judgement now. Wait until you see everything in action.
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> I have my opinion, I believe it’ll be great. But I haven’t seen everything, and will not make my final judgement now.
> You have your opinion, you may think it’ll be bad. You haven’t seen everything, so you shouldn’t make your <mark>final</mark> judgement now.

Reach made me hate Halo. I hoped that 343 would get as far away from Reach-esque gameplay as possible. As it turned out, they didn’t and I can already tell that the game won’t be fun for me, so I can make my final evaluation and call it a day.

> > > > > There IS stuff to judge though. I don’t see there being major overhauls between now and the time when the game goes gold.
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> > > > Yes, there is. But you can’t make a final judgement now.
> > > >
> > > > Having opinions about the current standing of Halo 4 is okay. Judging Halo 4 as a whole isn’t.
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> > > Yes, I really can make a final judgement now. I’ve seen multiplayer gameplay. I have a good idea on 343’s approach to campaign. I don’t believe that things will be too different on launch day.
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> > > Evaluating only after purchase is a pathway to disaster.
> >
> > Evaluating before release is a pathway to disaster.
> >
> > You can have opinions, you may have a good idea of what is going to happen. I’m just saying, don’t make your final judgement now. Wait until you see everything in action.
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> >
> > I have my opinion, I believe it’ll be great. But I haven’t seen everything, and will not make my final judgement now.
> > You have your opinion, you may think it’ll be bad. You haven’t seen everything, so you shouldn’t make your <mark>final</mark> judgement now.
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> Reach made me hate Halo. I hoped that 343 would get as far away from Reach-esque gameplay as possible. As it turned out, they didn’t and I can already tell that the game won’t be fun for me, so I can make my final evaluation and call it a day.

All right.

I will not argue, as you seem to be set on your opinion.

I’ve already made my final judgement due to the fact that i’ve already pre-ordered and don’t want it to go to waste.

I pre-ordered Halo 4. I hpe it’s worth the money because it came to 70 some dollars with shipping and handling since I’m from Canada (eh? lol, stereo type! XD it’s funny though cuz I do say that sometimes)

> > > > > > There IS stuff to judge though. I don’t see there being major overhauls between now and the time when the game goes gold.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, there is. But you can’t make a final judgement now.
> > > > >
> > > > > Having opinions about the current standing of Halo 4 is okay. Judging Halo 4 as a whole isn’t.
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> > > > Yes, I really can make a final judgement now. I’ve seen multiplayer gameplay. I have a good idea on 343’s approach to campaign. I don’t believe that things will be too different on launch day.
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> > > > Evaluating only after purchase is a pathway to disaster.
> > >
> > > Evaluating before release is a pathway to disaster.
> > >
> > > You can have opinions, you may have a good idea of what is going to happen. I’m just saying, don’t make your final judgement now. Wait until you see everything in action.
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> > >
> > > I have my opinion, I believe it’ll be great. But I haven’t seen everything, and will not make my final judgement now.
> > > You have your opinion, you may think it’ll be bad. You haven’t seen everything, so you shouldn’t make your <mark>final</mark> judgement now.
> >
> > Reach made me hate Halo. I hoped that 343 would get as far away from Reach-esque gameplay as possible. As it turned out, they didn’t and I can already tell that the game won’t be fun for me, so I can make my final evaluation and call it a day.
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> All right.
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> I will not argue, as you seem to be set on your opinion.

See? why can’t everyone behave like this? Instead of trying to convince each other how wrong they are, name calling, and generally acting like -Yoink!- Thank you both for actually acting like adults.

I actually didn’t preorder Reach, I bought it about a week after it came out based on the judgments of my friends. I’ve never been anything but a casual gamer. I got it for the Campaign and for Forge first, and matchmaking second. If i had enough friends that played Halo I would probably just play customs. Reach is not without it’s flaws, but I can say that I’ve enjoyed my time with it, and am happy with my purchase. I’ve preordered Halo 4, again for the Campaign, Forge (what they showed yesterday made my pants tight in the front, if you know what I mean ;] ) and Spartan Ops. I’ll play matchmaking because i enjoy the crazy things that happen there (see RT’s Fails of the Weak for reference), But that’s not why I’ll be buying the game.

> I’ve already made my final judgement due to the fact that i’ve already pre-ordered and don’t want it to go to waste.

No, you have made your final opinion, which you believe the game is good enough to pre-order.

You will make your final judgement, as in the game is great/ the game sucks after release. At least, I encourage you to do this.

I’m not saying don’t pre-order, thats fine. Just don’t make final judgement.

I always pre-order closer to release… and I don’t want it to got to waste either… especially since I think I’m going to get the Limited Edition.

> I pre-ordered Halo 4. I hpe it’s worth the money because it came to 70 some dollars with shipping and handling since I’m from Canada (eh? lol, stereo type! XD it’s funny though cuz I do say that sometimes)

From what I see, I believe it’ll be worth it.

I too hope its worth the money, because I plan on getting Limited Edition.