Sangheili (Elites) In New Trilogy Matchmaking (Part 1)

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > the elite is my favorite species in the halo world, 343 don’t forget about us
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> I hope they add playable elites at some point, but while the Esports community is their priority 1 we will only get something like the helioskrill armor if we are lucky.
> Halo Infinite is meant to last at least 10 years, 343 may surprise us one day during that time, but i would not expect them to do the assets for the elites during the first year.

I don’t think Esports is priority one, they are important, but Esports shouldn’t take playable species from us. I’m kind of mad at Esports and all those really competitive players for whining and complaining “Playable Elites aren’t fair!” They need to stop complaining about everything. (not talking about everyone, just the ones who complain too much)

Easy fix, playable Elites aren’t allowed in Ranked. Can’t say that enough.

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> > > the elite is my favorite species in the halo world, 343 don’t forget about us
> >
> > I hope they add playable elites at some point, but while the Esports community is their priority 1 we will only get something like the helioskrill armor if we are lucky.
> > Halo Infinite is meant to last at least 10 years, 343 may surprise us one day during that time, but i would not expect them to do the assets for the elites during the first year.
>
> I don’t think Esports is priority one, they are important, but Esports shouldn’t take playable species from us. I’m kind of mad at Esports and all those really competitive players for whining and complaining “Playable Elites aren’t fair!” They need to stop complaining about everything. (not talking about everyone, just the ones who complain too much)
>
> Easy fix, playable Elites aren’t allowed in Ranked. Can’t say that enough.

Esports removing features, I have a really, really, really good exemple. Rocket League, the 2 first years of the game it was really different from now, it was fun, and then ESports caught up and the game got destroyed, those whobstill play it say it’s better, but I can confirm you that day one players and SARPBC players are all gone, it’s just ESports people now, RL used to have different stats and colision huls for each car, they were many maps with different shapes and layouts, standard maps had little subtilities, different bost placement, different slopes on the corners, ETC… Many whacky casual gamemodes, now it’s one of the standard maps with a bunch of skins that just makes it look like the other maps, there’s only one map left in the game, all cars are the exact same, and all the game mode have been deleted, it’s just ranked ESports format, or unranked ESports format, wanna play a game mode that isn’t comp? Get a PS3 and buy SARPBC, Rocket League is now just for the elite, try to win or don’t -Yoinking!- play.

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> > > > the elite is my favorite species in the halo world, 343 don’t forget about us
> > >
> > > I hope they add playable elites at some point, but while the Esports community is their priority 1 we will only get something like the helioskrill armor if we are lucky.
> > > Halo Infinite is meant to last at least 10 years, 343 may surprise us one day during that time, but i would not expect them to do the assets for the elites during the first year.
> >
> > I don’t think Esports is priority one, they are important, but Esports shouldn’t take playable species from us. I’m kind of mad at Esports and all those really competitive players for whining and complaining “Playable Elites aren’t fair!” They need to stop complaining about everything. (not talking about everyone, just the ones who complain too much)
> >
> > Easy fix, playable Elites aren’t allowed in Ranked. Can’t say that enough.
>
> Esports removing features, I have a really, really, really good exemple. Rocket League, the 2 first years of the game it was really different from now, it was fun, and then ESports caught up and the game got destroyed, those whobstill play it say it’s better, but I can confirm you that day one players and SARPBC players are all gone, it’s just ESports people now, RL used to have different stats and colision huls for each car, they were many maps with different shapes and layouts, standard maps had little subtilities, different bost placement, different slopes on the corners, ETC… Many whacky casual gamemodes, now it’s one of the standard maps with a bunch of skins that just makes it look like the other maps, there’s only one map left in the game, all cars are the exact same, and all the game mode have been deleted, it’s just ranked ESports format, or unranked ESports format, wanna play a game mode that isn’t comp? Get a PS3 and buy SARPBC, Rocket League is now just for the elite, try to win or don’t -Yoinking!- play.

You can’t have fun with games anymore. That’s partly why I’ve only been playing old games. Republic Commando, The Force Unleashed, Battlefront 2 (OG), Splinter Cell, and so many more.

Back when there were no microtransactions or stupid SBMM. When there were no unlocks and you just played the game for fun. There’s a feeling I can’t describe when playing an old game, maybe it’s just nostalgia.

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> > > the elite is my favorite species in the halo world, 343 don’t forget about us
> >
> > I hope they add playable elites at some point, but while the Esports community is their priority 1 we will only get something like the helioskrill armor if we are lucky.
> > Halo Infinite is meant to last at least 10 years, 343 may surprise us one day during that time, but i would not expect them to do the assets for the elites during the first year.
>
> I don’t think Esports is priority one, they are important, but Esports shouldn’t take playable species from us. I’m kind of mad at Esports and all those really competitive players for whining and complaining “Playable Elites aren’t fair!” They need to stop complaining about everything. (not talking about everyone, just the ones who complain too much)
>
> Easy fix, playable Elites aren’t allowed in Ranked. Can’t say that enough.

Except it’s not the easy fix. You end up with 2 problems.

  1. Unranked doesn’t necessarily mean unfair/unbalanced, and people will point to the dis-allowance of Elites in Ranked that they must be unfair or unbalanced. Essentially, the complainers are still there. You validate the complainers by not allowing the Elites in Ranked, so they have a strong basis for further complaints.

  2. If the shunt Elites to the side and only allow them in certain modes, people won’t play as Elites. People don’t play as Elites, and 343 won’t waste resources designing content for them… so then people don’t play as Elites. It’s then just easier for 343 to just save resources by never making them playable in the first place.

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> > > > the elite is my favorite species in the halo world, 343 don’t forget about us
> > >
> > > I hope they add playable elites at some point, but while the Esports community is their priority 1 we will only get something like the helioskrill armor if we are lucky.
> > > Halo Infinite is meant to last at least 10 years, 343 may surprise us one day during that time, but i would not expect them to do the assets for the elites during the first year.
> >
> > I don’t think Esports is priority one, they are important, but Esports shouldn’t take playable species from us. I’m kind of mad at Esports and all those really competitive players for whining and complaining “Playable Elites aren’t fair!” They need to stop complaining about everything. (not talking about everyone, just the ones who complain too much)
> >
> > Easy fix, playable Elites aren’t allowed in Ranked. Can’t say that enough.
>
> Except it’s not the easy fix. You end up with 2 problems.
>
> 1. Unranked doesn’t necessarily mean unfair/unbalanced, and people will point to the dis-allowance of Elites in Ranked that they must be unfair or unbalanced. Essentially, the complainers are still there. You validate the complainers by not allowing the Elites in Ranked, so they have a strong basis for further complaints.
>
> 2. If the shunt Elites to the side and only allow them in certain modes, people won’t play as Elites. People don’t play as Elites, and 343 won’t waste resources designing content for them… so then people don’t play as Elites. It’s then just easier for 343 to just save resources by never making them playable in the first place.

You act like they can’t fix the broken hitboxes, they can. If they tried, they could make it fair. We’ve given countless suggestions. Laziness is the problem.

Besides, people are going to complain no matter what, I’d rather just have a fun game than try to make people happy when they’re never going to be. People like that don’t want anything in particular in the game, they just want to complain.

Also, if you say that there isn’t a big Elite playerbase like I think you are, this 900 page thread begs to differ. (not trying to argue BTW)

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> You act like they can’t fix the broken hitboxes, they can. If they tried, they could make it fair. We’ve given countless suggestions. Laziness is the problem.
>
> Besides, people are going to complain no matter what, I’d rather just have a fun game than try to make people happy when they’re never going to be. People like that don’t want anything in particular in the game, they just want to complain.
>
> Also, if you say that there isn’t a big Elite playerbase like I think you are, this 900 page thread begs to differ. (not trying to argue BTW)

It doesn’t matter whether or not they’re broken. Just being different means people will find something to complain about, though I agree that complainers gonna complain.

I didn’t say there isn’t a big playerbase. I’m saying the average person who prefers Elites over Spartans is still going to lean towards Spartan if Elites are given no content and are relegated to side modes.

It’s just easier on all counts for 343 to pour resources into one shared character model. I would love to play as an Elite. I’m just not getting my hopes up.

(Edit: Would have quoted, but couldn’t find a way to quote only your text box, and don’t want to make the comment too big.)
(Edit2: Figured it out.)

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> > You act like they can’t fix the broken hitboxes, they can. If they tried, they could make it fair. We’ve given countless suggestions. Laziness is the problem.
> >
> > Besides, people are going to complain no matter what, I’d rather just have a fun game than try to make people happy when they’re never going to be. People like that don’t want anything in particular in the game, they just want to complain.
> >
> > Also, if you say that there isn’t a big Elite playerbase like I think you are, this 900 page thread begs to differ. (not trying to argue BTW)
>
> It doesn’t matter whether or not they’re broken. Just being different means people will find something to complain about, though I agree that complainers gonna complain.
>
> I didn’t say there isn’t a big playerbase. I’m saying the average person who prefers Elites over Spartans is still going to lean towards Spartan if Elites are given no content and are relegated to side modes.
>
> It’s just easier on all counts for 343 to pour resources into one shared character model. I would love to play as an Elite. I’m just not getting my hopes up.
>
> (Edit: Would have quoted, but couldn’t find a way to quote only your text box, and don’t want to make the comment too big.)
> (Edit2: Figured it out.)

The majority is always going to lean towards Spartans, but the nice thing about them was that Bungie was willing to add playable Elites anyway. It was a nice gesture that they didn’t need to do, but they did it anyway for the minority who wanted playable Elites.

Don’t think of me as a Bungie lover and a 343 hater, but Bungie was better at those small gestures that didn’t make sense from a practical standpoint, but they added them anyway.

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> > > > the elite is my favorite species in the halo world, 343 don’t forget about us
> > >
> > > I hope they add playable elites at some point, but while the Esports community is their priority 1 we will only get something like the helioskrill armor if we are lucky.
> > > Halo Infinite is meant to last at least 10 years, 343 may surprise us one day during that time, but i would not expect them to do the assets for the elites during the first year.
> >
> > I don’t think Esports is priority one, they are important, but Esports shouldn’t take playable species from us. I’m kind of mad at Esports and all those really competitive players for whining and complaining “Playable Elites aren’t fair!” They need to stop complaining about everything. (not talking about everyone, just the ones who complain too much)
> >
> > Easy fix, playable Elites aren’t allowed in Ranked. Can’t say that enough.
>
> Except it’s not the easy fix. You end up with 2 problems.
>
> 1. Unranked doesn’t necessarily mean unfair/unbalanced, and people will point to the dis-allowance of Elites in Ranked that they must be unfair or unbalanced. Essentially, the complainers are still there. You validate the complainers by not allowing the Elites in Ranked, so they have a strong basis for further complaints.
>
> 2. If the shunt Elites to the side and only allow them in certain modes, people won’t play as Elites. People don’t play as Elites, and 343 won’t waste resources designing content for them… so then people don’t play as Elites. It’s then just easier for 343 to just save resources by never making them playable in the first place.

You raise an interesting point we haven’t seen yet here, and I certainly see why that may be. Good eye, but it’s still better than not having Elites at all.

I don’t for one second believe the whole broken hitboxes thing. Anytime I’ve played Halo 3 I have certainly been a much easier target because I’m an Elite. As are other Elite players. Now, maybe that’s partially because I don’t enjoy playing 3 and am not that good at it, but I have never once taken my own notice of the hitboxes argument because to my mind, the proportions are so negligible that it doesn’t make a difference. But I’ll be willing to give the benefit of the doubt here, the simple solution is to make the Elite hitbox equal to their actual model, like in Reach, though I’d argue for a smaller helmet or at least some way to better defend against snipers who want easy prey.

As has also been brought up here recently, if ranked players cannot handle players who are literally bigger targets and typically easier prey for them to defeat, then they don’t deserve to call themselves good at competitive game modes. Playing ranked and being good at ranked should mean you are especially able to tackle any situation in gaming. After I heard this argument for Elites in ranked, I switched over to it. Sure, people will be mad. That’s the nature of people. But if anything, the stringent parts of the competitive community bring this upon themselves for both years of toxicity and their very philosophy in and of itself.

And you’re right, giving in to them would further validate them. And one of the last things I want to do is validate those kinds of players. That said, I’m not sure getting shunted to social modes would give people a huge basis for not playing as them. I think most halo players, on the whole, prefer social modes, so it’s not the worst thing to appease the Devil in this situation. The issue is keeping Elites fed with content that is of the same quality as Spartans. However it is still a valid concern that this need to restrict them would form a greater basis for the opposing argument. With that I mind however, I think everyone here would be happy enough with Elites only in social game modes, and Warzone of course. Heck, I’d at least feel better even if they did the halo reach thing. At least then we’d have the option in some respect. But yes, you are right. That is why it is better to simply assert that they will be playable in everything. And anyone who has a problem with that can’t be as good at the game as they say they are.

Or they’re just, quite simply, haters. I would say the other word that starts with the first letter of the alphabet and ends in hole, but understandably, the forums don’t like that.

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> > > > > the elite is my favorite species in the halo world, 343 don’t forget about us
> > > >
> > > > I hope they add playable elites at some point, but while the Esports community is their priority 1 we will only get something like the helioskrill armor if we are lucky.
> > > > Halo Infinite is meant to last at least 10 years, 343 may surprise us one day during that time, but i would not expect them to do the assets for the elites during the first year.
> > >
> > > I don’t think Esports is priority one, they are important, but Esports shouldn’t take playable species from us. I’m kind of mad at Esports and all those really competitive players for whining and complaining “Playable Elites aren’t fair!” They need to stop complaining about everything. (not talking about everyone, just the ones who complain too much)
> > >
> > > Easy fix, playable Elites aren’t allowed in Ranked. Can’t say that enough.
> >
> > Except it’s not the easy fix. You end up with 2 problems.
> >
> > 1. Unranked doesn’t necessarily mean unfair/unbalanced, and people will point to the dis-allowance of Elites in Ranked that they must be unfair or unbalanced. Essentially, the complainers are still there. You validate the complainers by not allowing the Elites in Ranked, so they have a strong basis for further complaints.
> >
> > 2. If the shunt Elites to the side and only allow them in certain modes, people won’t play as Elites. People don’t play as Elites, and 343 won’t waste resources designing content for them… so then people don’t play as Elites. It’s then just easier for 343 to just save resources by never making them playable in the first place.
>
> You raise an interesting point we haven’t seen yet here, and I certainly see why that may be. Good eye, but it’s still better than not having Elites at all.
>
> I don’t for one second believe the whole broken hitboxes thing. Anytime I’ve played Halo 3 I have certainly been a much easier target because I’m an Elite. As are other Elite players. Now, maybe that’s partially because I don’t enjoy playing 3 and am not that good at it, but I have never once taken my own notice of the hitboxes argument because to my mind, the proportions are so negligible that it doesn’t make a difference. But I’ll be willing to give the benefit of the doubt here, the simple solution is to make the Elite hitbox equal to their actual model, like in Reach, though I’d argue for a smaller helmet or at least some way to better defend against snipers who want easy prey.
>
> As has also been brought up here recently, if ranked players cannot handle players who are literally bigger targets and typically easier prey for them to defeat, then they don’t deserve to call themselves good at competitive game modes. Playing ranked and being good at ranked should mean you are especially able to tackle any situation in gaming. After I heard this argument for Elites in ranked, I switched over to it. Sure, people will be mad. That’s the nature of people. But if anything, the stringent parts of the competitive community bring this upon themselves for both years of toxicity and their very philosophy in and of itself.
>
> And you’re right, giving in to them would further validate them. And one of the last things I want to do is validate those kinds of players. That said, I’m not sure getting shunted to social modes would give people a huge basis for not playing as them. I think most halo players, on the whole, prefer social modes, so it’s not the worst thing to appease the Devil in this situation. The issue is keeping Elites fed with content that is of the same quality as Spartans. However it is still a valid concern that this need to restrict them would form a greater basis for the opposing argument. With that I mind however, I think everyone here would be happy enough with Elites only in social game modes, and Warzone of course. Heck, I’d at least feel better even if they did the halo reach thing. At least then we’d have the option in some respect. But yes, you are right. That is why it is better to simply assert that they will be playable in everything. And anyone who has a problem with that can’t be as good at the game as they say they are.
>
> Or they’re just, quite simply, haters. I would say the other word that starts with the first letter of the alphabet and ends in hole, but understandably, the forums don’t like that.

You raised very good points about this. People are going to complain no matter what you do, and I’ll admit, I’m not exactly innocent of that myself.

I’ve come to realize that people don’t know what they want, so they can complain about literally anything. You also have different people groups that want different things. Bungie put in playable Elites, the competitive players were angry. 343 took away playable Elites, the Elite fans were angry. No matter what you do there’s always going to be complaining. There are some things that are ok to complain about though.

For instance, the purest form of evil

MicrotransactionsUgh! I almost threw up writing that disgusting word! I need some water.

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> > the elite is my favorite species in the halo world, 343 don’t forget about us
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> I hope they add playable elites at some point, but while the Esports community is their priority 1 we will only get something like the helioskrill armor if we are lucky.
> Halo Infinite is meant to last at least 10 years, 343 may surprise us one day during that time, but i would not expect them to do the assets for the elites during the first year.

I’ll say this, if they do be adding story dlc, then this whole banished/ maybe created/ maybe flood conflict has to affect sanghelios at some point, and by extension the arbiter. If they do bring a SOS story into infinite’s campaign, it would be sacrilegious not to play as arbiter. This would make it easier for them to bring in elites to multiplayer since they have all the assets for arbiters model. Otherwise, just don’t bring arbiter and his faction into infinite at all if 343 is unwilling to put in the work to make him and elites playable.

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> > > > > the elite is my favorite species in the halo world, 343 don’t forget about us
> > > >
> > > > I hope they add playable elites at some point, but while the Esports community is their priority 1 we will only get something like the helioskrill armor if we are lucky.
> > > > Halo Infinite is meant to last at least 10 years, 343 may surprise us one day during that time, but i would not expect them to do the assets for the elites during the first year.
> > >
> > > I don’t think Esports is priority one, they are important, but Esports shouldn’t take playable species from us. I’m kind of mad at Esports and all those really competitive players for whining and complaining “Playable Elites aren’t fair!” They need to stop complaining about everything. (not talking about everyone, just the ones who complain too much)
> > >
> > > Easy fix, playable Elites aren’t allowed in Ranked. Can’t say that enough.
> >
> > Except it’s not the easy fix. You end up with 2 problems.
> >
> > 1. Unranked doesn’t necessarily mean unfair/unbalanced, and people will point to the dis-allowance of Elites in Ranked that they must be unfair or unbalanced. Essentially, the complainers are still there. You validate the complainers by not allowing the Elites in Ranked, so they have a strong basis for further complaints.
> >
> > 2. If the shunt Elites to the side and only allow them in certain modes, people won’t play as Elites. People don’t play as Elites, and 343 won’t waste resources designing content for them… so then people don’t play as Elites. It’s then just easier for 343 to just save resources by never making them playable in the first place.
>
> You act like they can’t fix the broken hitboxes, they can. If they tried, they could make it fair. We’ve given countless suggestions. Laziness is the problem.
>
> Besides, people are going to complain no matter what, I’d rather just have a fun game than try to make people happy when they’re never going to be. People like that don’t want anything in particular in the game, they just want to complain.
>
> Also, if you say that there isn’t a big Elite playerbase like I think you are, this 900 page thread begs to differ. (not trying to argue BTW)

Funny they use the hitbox excuse when they make female spartans have a smaller and thinner frame to the male spartans that can ‘‘as they put it’’ mess with hitboxes, yet 343 has yet to remove female spartans, so I find the whole hitbox excuse to be rather lame to begin with.

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> > > > > > the elite is my favorite species in the halo world, 343 don’t forget about us
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope they add playable elites at some point, but while the Esports community is their priority 1 we will only get something like the helioskrill armor if we are lucky.
> > > > > Halo Infinite is meant to last at least 10 years, 343 may surprise us one day during that time, but i would not expect them to do the assets for the elites during the first year.
> > > >
> > > > I don’t think Esports is priority one, they are important, but Esports shouldn’t take playable species from us. I’m kind of mad at Esports and all those really competitive players for whining and complaining “Playable Elites aren’t fair!” They need to stop complaining about everything. (not talking about everyone, just the ones who complain too much)
> > > >
> > > > Easy fix, playable Elites aren’t allowed in Ranked. Can’t say that enough.
> > >
> > > Except it’s not the easy fix. You end up with 2 problems.
> > >
> > > 1. Unranked doesn’t necessarily mean unfair/unbalanced, and people will point to the dis-allowance of Elites in Ranked that they must be unfair or unbalanced. Essentially, the complainers are still there. You validate the complainers by not allowing the Elites in Ranked, so they have a strong basis for further complaints.
> > >
> > > 2. If the shunt Elites to the side and only allow them in certain modes, people won’t play as Elites. People don’t play as Elites, and 343 won’t waste resources designing content for them… so then people don’t play as Elites. It’s then just easier for 343 to just save resources by never making them playable in the first place.
> >
> > You act like they can’t fix the broken hitboxes, they can. If they tried, they could make it fair. We’ve given countless suggestions. Laziness is the problem.
> >
> > Besides, people are going to complain no matter what, I’d rather just have a fun game than try to make people happy when they’re never going to be. People like that don’t want anything in particular in the game, they just want to complain.
> >
> > Also, if you say that there isn’t a big Elite playerbase like I think you are, this 900 page thread begs to differ. (not trying to argue BTW)
>
> Funny they use the hitbox excuse when they make female spartans have a smaller and thinner frame to the male spartans that can ‘‘as they put it’’ mess with hitboxes, yet 343 has yet to remove female spartans, so I find the whole hitbox excuse to be rather lame to begin with.

The hitbox difference is mostly insignificant. Male or female, chances are I’ll hit the headshot all the same.
The difference from a Human to a Sangheili is astronomical. They’re much taller and they have an elongated, hunched over neck, and they have those legs. Every time I faced a female Spartan, it was never different to a male Spartan. But fighting a Sangheili, I find myself hitting my shots more.
If the female hitbox really did have a noticeable and significant difference, there would be a lot more female Spartans.

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> > > > > > > the elite is my favorite species in the halo world, 343 don’t forget about us
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hope they add playable elites at some point, but while the Esports community is their priority 1 we will only get something like the helioskrill armor if we are lucky.
> > > > > > Halo Infinite is meant to last at least 10 years, 343 may surprise us one day during that time, but i would not expect them to do the assets for the elites during the first year.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don’t think Esports is priority one, they are important, but Esports shouldn’t take playable species from us. I’m kind of mad at Esports and all those really competitive players for whining and complaining “Playable Elites aren’t fair!” They need to stop complaining about everything. (not talking about everyone, just the ones who complain too much)
> > > > >
> > > > > Easy fix, playable Elites aren’t allowed in Ranked. Can’t say that enough.
> > > >
> > > > Except it’s not the easy fix. You end up with 2 problems.
> > > >
> > > > 1. Unranked doesn’t necessarily mean unfair/unbalanced, and people will point to the dis-allowance of Elites in Ranked that they must be unfair or unbalanced. Essentially, the complainers are still there. You validate the complainers by not allowing the Elites in Ranked, so they have a strong basis for further complaints.
> > > >
> > > > 2. If the shunt Elites to the side and only allow them in certain modes, people won’t play as Elites. People don’t play as Elites, and 343 won’t waste resources designing content for them… so then people don’t play as Elites. It’s then just easier for 343 to just save resources by never making them playable in the first place.
> > >
> > > You act like they can’t fix the broken hitboxes, they can. If they tried, they could make it fair. We’ve given countless suggestions. Laziness is the problem.
> > >
> > > Besides, people are going to complain no matter what, I’d rather just have a fun game than try to make people happy when they’re never going to be. People like that don’t want anything in particular in the game, they just want to complain.
> > >
> > > Also, if you say that there isn’t a big Elite playerbase like I think you are, this 900 page thread begs to differ. (not trying to argue BTW)
> >
> > Funny they use the hitbox excuse when they make female spartans have a smaller and thinner frame to the male spartans that can ‘‘as they put it’’ mess with hitboxes, yet 343 has yet to remove female spartans, so I find the whole hitbox excuse to be rather lame to begin with.
>
> The hitbox difference is mostly insignificant. Male or female, chances are I’ll hit the headshot all the same.
> The difference from a Human to a Sangheili is astronomical. They’re much taller and they have an elongated, hunched over neck, and they have those legs. Every time I faced a female Spartan, it was never different to a male Spartan. But fighting a Sangheili, I find myself hitting my shots more.
> If the female hitbox really did have a noticeable and significant difference, there would be a lot more female Spartans.

Only in reach. Maybe 2a since it used the fat halo 4 models

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> Only in reach. Maybe 2a since it used the fat halo 4 models

Halo 2 and 3 as well. Their hunched over necks changed how you aim. You suddenly can’t shoot their heads from the back nearly as well, and part of their neck doesn’t even have a hitbox to begin with. Which are the main reasons they were banned from E-Sports and MLG and all those scenes. The same applies to H2A.

Reach took a different approach and made them bigger targets. Did it ultimately ruin the fun? No. You can play as an Elite and do really well. Personally, they have a special charm compared to the other games, but I digress. But their uniqueness is why they’re excluded from nearly every facet of Reach’s Matchmaking. It’s a reason why 343 hasn’t bothered with Playable Sangheili anymore. They don’t believe that putting in the effort to add another playable biped that works almost completely different to a Spartan, only to exclude it from most of Matchmaking, would be worth it (apart from the lore constraints they gave themselves). Especially since you wouldn’t ever play as them in Campaign and Spartan Ops. The same goes for Halo 5.

True, they could have taken the H3 approach and make them as close to the Spartans as possible, which could allow them to be anywhere you wanted. But they would still be banned from tournaments and lore constraints make it impossible for them to even be in Multiplayer in the first place.

Sure, Reach didn’t let you play as them in Campaign. But they did in Firefight, and were monumental for the Invasion gamemode to work. Bungie wanted to not only finish Halo up with a bang, but they wanted a new experience to define Halo Reach’s MP, and Invasion not only fit the theme of the story, but gave them a reason to add that other playable biped.

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> > Only in reach. Maybe 2a since it used the fat halo 4 models
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> Halo 2 and 3 as well. Their hunched over necks changed how you aim. You suddenly can’t shoot their heads from the back nearly as well, and part of their neck doesn’t even have a hitbox to begin with. Which are the main reasons they were banned from E-Sports and MLG and all those scenes. The same applies to H2A.
>
> Reach took a different approach and made them bigger targets. Did it ultimately ruin the fun? No. You can play as an Elite and do really well. Personally, they have a special charm compared to the other games, but I digress. But their uniqueness is why they’re excluded from nearly every facet of Reach’s Matchmaking. It’s a reason why 343 hasn’t bothered with Playable Sangheili anymore. They don’t believe that putting in the effort to add another playable biped that works almost completely different to a Spartan, only to exclude it from most of Matchmaking, would be worth it (apart from the lore constraints they gave themselves). Especially since you wouldn’t ever play as them in Campaign and Spartan Ops. The same goes for Halo 5.
>
> True, they could have taken the H3 approach and make them as close to the Spartans as possible, which could allow them to be anywhere you wanted. But they would still be banned from tournaments and lore constraints make it impossible for them to even be in Multiplayer in the first place.
>
> Sure, Reach didn’t let you play as them in Campaign. But they did in Firefight, and were monumental for the Invasion gamemode to work. Bungie wanted to not only finish Halo up with a bang, but they wanted a new experience to define Halo Reach’s MP, and Invasion not only fit the theme of the story, but gave them a reason to add that other playable biped.

Even so, I’ll play as an Elite no matter what. I do really good in matches as an Elite. My last match I believe I got 19 kills and 8 deaths, so the hitbox isn’t really an issue for me.

Regarding the hitboxes, I’ve done an experiment with a sniper rifle in Halo 3. There’s a certain part of the Elite’s neck that doesn’t take damage, which actually is good because of how long Elite necks are. You don’t want people getting easier headshots on Elites because of that.

The problem with Halo 3 Elites is how hunched over they are. That ultimately makes the neck longer, so if they made them not hunching then the neck would be more upright so the sides and back of the head would be roughly the same as Spartans. Thus, fixing the headshot problem.

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> > Only in reach. Maybe 2a since it used the fat halo 4 models
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> Reach took a different approach and made them bigger targets. Did it ultimately ruin the fun? No. You can play as an Elite and do really well. Personally, they have a special charm compared to the other games, but I digress. But their uniqueness is why they’re excluded from nearly every facet of Reach’s Matchmaking. It’s a reason why 343 hasn’t bothered with Playable Sangheili anymore. They don’t believe that putting in the effort to add another playable biped that works almost completely different to a Spartan, only to exclude it from most of Matchmaking, would be worth it (apart from the lore constraints they gave themselves). **Especially since you wouldn’t ever play as them in Campaign and Spartan Ops. The same goes for Halo 5.**True, they could have taken the H3 approach and make them as close to the Spartans as possible, which could allow them to be anywhere you wanted. But they would still be banned from tournaments and lore constraints make it impossible for them to even be in Multiplayer in the first place.

They could be in campaign if they were implemented and you played as your multiplayer character in co-op or another character like arbiter, but its understandable if they’re not. As for Spartan ops, they absolutely can. It’s a pve mode so who cares what you look like.

And lore constraints? What are u talking about lol. There’s anvil station, SOS stationed on infinity, they could even do something with the joint occupation zones. If anything, 343 shot themselves in the foot when they made all this lore that supports including elites in mm.

Everything else is understandable.

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> > Only in reach. Maybe 2a since it used the fat halo 4 models
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> Halo 2 and 3 as well. Their hunched over necks changed how you aim. You suddenly can’t shoot their heads from the back nearly as well, and part of their neck doesn’t even have a hitbox to begin with. Which are the main reasons they were banned from E-Sports and MLG and all those scenes. The same applies to H2A.
>
> Reach took a different approach and made them bigger targets. Did it ultimately ruin the fun? No. You can play as an Elite and do really well. Personally, they have a special charm compared to the other games, but I digress. But their uniqueness is why they’re excluded from nearly every facet of Reach’s Matchmaking. It’s a reason why 343 hasn’t bothered with Playable Sangheili anymore. They don’t believe that putting in the effort to add another playable biped that works almost completely different to a Spartan, only to exclude it from most of Matchmaking, would be worth it (apart from the lore constraints they gave themselves). Especially since you wouldn’t ever play as them in Campaign and Spartan Ops. The same goes for Halo 5.
>
> True, they could have taken the H3 approach and make them as close to the Spartans as possible, which could allow them to be anywhere you wanted. But they would still be banned from tournaments and lore constraints make it impossible for them to even be in Multiplayer in the first place.
>
> Sure, Reach didn’t let you play as them in Campaign. But they did in Firefight, and were monumental for the Invasion gamemode to work. Bungie wanted to not only finish Halo up with a bang, but they wanted a new experience to define Halo Reach’s MP, and Invasion not only fit the theme of the story, but gave them a reason to add that other playable biped.

See the issue with those was the fact that Bungie did not really cater to the Elites outside of a couple of modes. If Bungie had just given players the ability to force either Spartan only, Elite only or prefered preference, then any game mode in Reach could have been altered to cater to the Elites, you could have had say Spartan Vs Elite CTF for instance, or Covie Assault, etc. A ranked Playlist could have been made that were Elite-only etc. Then the Elites could have shown up more in matchmaking, and there would have been more freedom in custom games, to allow your preferred preferences to take precedence. Halo Infinite could easily make the Elite work, simply by making options to allow game modes to be made or altered to fit in the Elites ect, or again they could just shrink the model. The size of the Elites does not have to be canonical in Multiplayer, they could easily shrink the Elites to allow their hitboxes to aline with Spartans without hunching them over.

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> Regarding the hitboxes, I’ve done an experiment with a sniper rifle in Halo 3. There’s a certain part of the Elite’s neck that doesn’t take damage, which actually is good because of how long Elite necks are. You don’t want people getting easier headshots on Elites because of that.
>
> The problem with Halo 3 Elites is how hunched over they are. That ultimately makes the neck longer, so if they made them not hunching then the neck would be more upright so the sides and back of the head would be roughly the same as Spartans. Thus, fixing the headshot problem.

That is exactly what I said.
Making the neck upright is what Reach did. They ultimately chose to hunch their neck like that so they could be in at a similar height to Spartans as their anatomy allowed.

> Even so, I’ll play as an Elite no matter what. I do really good in matches as an Elite. My last match I believe I got 19 kills and 8 deaths, so the hitbox isn’t really an issue for me.

No complaints here. Nice job.

ELSpooncer07

> They could be in campaign if they were implemented and you played as your multiplayer character in co-op or another character like arbiter, but its understandable if they’re not. As for Spartan ops, they absolutely can. It’s a pve mode so who cares what you look like.

They could. I don’t deny that.
But Spartan Ops is not different to campaign. It’s essentially a story mode with less “story” and more “shooting”. Whether Elites would be allowed or not would be the same case.

> And lore constraints? What are u talking about lol. There’s anvil station, SOS stationed on infinity, they could even do something with the joint occupation zones. If anything, 343 shot themselves in the foot when they made all this lore that supports including elites in mm.

There’s only 24 SoS Sangheili aboard the Infinity, according to Halo Warfleet.
Anvil Station is just Halo Online. Halo 4 and 5 are canon simulations located in the Infinity, which falls to the previous argument.
Could they do something in those joint occupation zones? Yeah, they could. It’s just a matter of 343 deciding if the lore would allow that or not.

ChaoticPentrath

> See the issue with those was the fact that Bungie did not really cater to the Elites outside of a couple of modes. If Bungie had just given players the ability to force either Spartan only, Elite only or prefered preference, then any game mode in Reach could have been altered to cater to the Elites, you could have had say Spartan Vs Elite CTF for instance, or Covie Assault, etc. A ranked Playlist could have been made that were Elite-only etc. Then the Elites could have shown up more in matchmaking, and there would have been more freedom in custom games, to allow your preferred preferences to take precedence.

Pretty much, I agree with you. The thing is that the game was made mostly with Spartans in mind, and is the only biped that appears in every single mode. Could they have changed it? Yup. I’d probably beg to be P2 just to play as an Elite in campaign. It’s just that Reach shares 343’s current approach of being a “Spartan story” (although, of course, they didn’t exclude our favorite dinos).

> Halo Infinite could easily make the Elite work, simply by making options to allow game modes to be made or altered to fit in the Elites ect, or again they could just shrink the model. The size of the Elites does not have to be canonical in Multiplayer, they could easily shrink the Elites to allow their hitboxes to aline with Spartans without hunching them over.

If that compromise allows for us to play as a space dino, I guess it’s better than nothing. Although a lot of people would probably complain about them being so small. And, admittedly, it would bother me a bit lol. For something supposed to be massive compared to us to be shrinked like that… funny thought.
Being fair, I don’t mind Reach’s approach. If they took that one, I’d be 100% fine.

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If making elites smaller is a problem, make Mjolnir larger lol.

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> If making elites smaller is a problem, make Mjolnir larger lol.

Honestly at this point it’s just matter if they wanna do it or not. All the conditions are right for infinite: the elites are back to the proportions of I’d say around halo 2, equipment replacing Spartan abilities, etc. The best way at this point is like we’ve been saying, keep them outta comp but everything else okay.