> > > > > > I didn’t catch the top half of Deva’s argument, but Sangheili armor does boost the speed and strength of the elite, as stated in the Encyclopedia.
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> > > > > It never says by what amount not to mention they would still be stronger since they are bred for war.
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> > > > > I’ll play with you. Explain how they would make more of the more armor and improve it in their current predicament.
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> > > > I’m not trying to play, I’m just trying to fight off a troll.
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> > > So because i am not outright supporting your notion and contesting it I am a “Troll”? Sorry for abjecting you and actually knowing what i am talking about. I love the elites, was in an elite clan (Actually fought you before and your clan) yet there is no logical reason for them to be in.
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> > > It is selfish to compromise the integrity of the lore so the minority can play as a character model for a decade or so.
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> > “Compromise the integrity of the lore” is a strong phrase to use when your argument is “prove to me the extent of something.” There is no reason Sangheili cannot be incorporated into Matchmaking. It’s been done since Halo 2. It should not stop with the new trilogy.
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> They were in MP in Halo 2 because we were fighting them and the community wanted them in MP. There is an extremely high chance we won’t be fighting them in the reclaimer trilogy, They probably won’t be in the story, SIVs and MARK VII are stronger than the average elite, and not to mention why should they be?
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> Yes i understand that was bungie, but would you really risk them being put in (If they some how could that made sense) and then look at how dull your elite looks compared to a flashy spartan? Not to mention right now would have been a perfect time to throw an elite in the background of a video if not outright show them; yet they didn’t instead frankie says they now have a reason for why blue spartans fight red ones.
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> *Thal, thank you for being reasonable. while they have a role in the books it is only the post war series which isn’t directly tied to halo 4 and the reclaimer trilogy like the forerunner saga is.
Whining, I suppose you call it, but I say that we are all here to make sure that the thing that bring us all together should not fade, does not deserve to fade. I think you have not given our arguments towards how and why the Elites should be in the game enough consideration. What makes elite players special is that they have stuck it out all this time, because we all love this part of the universe that we will stay on for five hours fostering this thread from a squeak to the full throated voice of our community. We are true Halo fans, Deva.
> Proof of elites in halo 4?
> http://i.imgur.com/nP9FK.jpg
> If this is indeed proof elites in halo 4, i think it stands to reason that they may be playable in multiplayer.
Them not being in one game or one trilogy does not equate to them being removed from the universe, which is why all of this is stupid and shows a lack of maturity (which isn’t surprising).
The elites have no role in this story nor are they in a position to contribute and even if they could i highly doubt they would be helping humans. Them not being in this trilogy doesn’t mean they are gone from other expanded media, something that was recently “confirmed” and we already knew wasn’t going to happen.
I have seen these discussions since halo 2. What people don’t understand in there short eyesight is that throwing the elites in every single game “Just cus” is milking not to mention degrading their character and halo as a whole if it has to be in “Every game to sell”. If the training wheels don’t come off now then they never will.
If the elites don’t end up being in this trilogy then so what? It isn’t like there isn’t books being created that heavily focus on them not to mention you can still play the other games and play halo 3 on live.
> The elites have no role in this story nor are they in a position to contribute and even if they could i highly doubt they would be helping humans.
There’s this book called Halo: Glasslands. You should really take a look at it.
> I have seen these discussions since halo 2. What people don’t understand in there short eyesight is that throwing the elites in every single game “Just cus” is milking not to mention degrading their character and halo as a whole if it has to be in “Every game to sell”. If the training wheels don’t come off now then they never will.
Character customization is equivalent to training wheels?
> If the elites don’t end up being in this trilogy then so what? It isn’t like there isn’t books being created that heavily focus on them not to mention you can still play the other games and play halo 3 on live.
That simply doesn’t cut it for the mass amount of sangheili fans, as you can see by this thread.
> Them not being in one game or one trilogy does not equate to them being removed from the universe, which is why all of this is stupid and shows a lack of maturity (which isn’t surprising).
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> The elites have no role in this story nor are they in a position to contribute and even if they could i highly doubt they would be helping humans. Them not being in this trilogy doesn’t mean they are gone from other expanded media, something that was recently “confirmed” and we already knew wasn’t going to happen.
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> I have seen these discussions since halo 2. What people don’t understand in there short eyesight is that throwing the elites in every single game “Just cus” is milking not to mention degrading their character and halo as a whole if it has to be in “Every game to sell”. If the training wheels don’t come off now then they never will.
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> If the elites don’t end up being in this trilogy then so what? It isn’t like there isn’t books being created that heavily focus on them not to mention you can still play the other games and play halo 3 on live.
My clan plays on halo 3 because halo reach is not of our liking for the elite player model.
Elites will be in this trilogy. Deal with it.
We are simply here to show 343 how many of us are pushing for elites in halo 4.
I respect your opinion, but if you are going to troll, do it somewhere else.
> Them not being in one game or one trilogy does not equate to them being removed from the universe, which is why all of this is stupid and shows a lack of maturity (which isn’t surprising).
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> The elites have no role in this story nor are they in a position to contribute and even if they could i highly doubt they would be helping humans. Them not being in this trilogy doesn’t mean they are gone from other expanded media, something that was recently “confirmed” and we already knew wasn’t going to happen.
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> I have seen these discussions since halo 2. What people don’t understand in there short eyesight is that throwing the elites in every single game “Just cus” is milking not to mention degrading their character and halo as a whole if it has to be in “Every game to sell”. If the training wheels don’t come off now then they never will.
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> If the elites don’t end up being in this trilogy then so what? It isn’t like there isn’t books being created that heavily focus on them not to mention you can still play the other games and play halo 3 on live.
While your agrument makes sense, why not put them in? Why not have them in the game? For every, why should we there is a why not. That is what i have been seeing in every thread on this website, is why should we. And how long would you give halo 3 live? I wouldnt give it very long, there have been three games sinse the release of 3, not to mention halo 4 on the way. Who knows,yeah, maybe they give the elites their own trilogy. but what if they dont? And i doubt the likeliness of an elite trilogy, simply for the fact that every halo player not in the elite community simply wont buy it. There would be no advantaegeous marketing to a Sangheili triloogy. So a spot must be taken by the elites now, less the be forgotten.
I honestly see why not, I mean seeing how now SPARTAN armor will actually (at last, I mean what’s the point in calling a CQB a CQB if it has no CQB-related advantages?) effect your SPARTAN, it is totally possible to see elites in the fray. I mean, the elites can be the beasts they are all they want because if spartans can have better armor than others, than elites can totally have traits and hit box your average elite has. Not to mention, elites are still quite relevant thanks to grasslands last time I checked.
Also, Spartan IVs seem no more powerful than a Mk VI suited Spartan II from what I have seen. They still get 4-shotted by BRs just like a Spratan II also.
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> That simply doesn’t cut it for the mass amount of sangheili fans, as you can see by this thread.
2.you are the one that needs to read Glasslands seeing how it clearly shows the elites aren’t in any state for galactic adventures and technological advances. They don’t even know how to grow potatoes by themselves. Not to mention the Forerunner trilogy is the backbone for the Games not The postwar (which tidbits are taken from like the SIVs). Glasslands happens during halo 3 in which halo 4 happens in 2556 with cortana being 7.
3.The Elites being in every single halo game because an extremely small group thinks it isn’t halo without them and catering to them- that was what i was referring to.
“Mass amount”? If there honestly was a “Mass amount” then the elites would have been given more respect and would be more involved to the universe. Not to mention one single thread on an internet forum shouldn’t be used as an example of a population and i cannot believe you just honestly tried to use it as one.
Prototype, you are clearly a child if you consider somebody else not to blindly have the same point of view as yours to be a troll. I could honestly question your intelligence by even stating something stupid as that. And give me a source to saying the elites will be in, if not then you shouldn’t be speaking as if.
Silent- i have already stated in my post why not. the only “Why” is because a small community wants them in which brutes should be in MP also along with everything else other people want in the game.
> 2.you are the one that needs to read Glasslands seeing how it clearly shows the elites aren’t in any state for galactic adventures and technological advances. They don’t even know how to grow potatoes by themselves. Not to mention the Forerunner trilogy is the backbone for the Games not The postwar (which tidbits are taken from like the SIVs). Glasslands happens during halo 3 in which halo 4 happens in 2556 with cortana being 7.
I have no idea why you started with 2 but I’ll go anyway. (You shouldn’t be insulting people’s intelligence if you can’t count from 1-3.) I used Glasslands as the most recent development of Sangheili in real time. If you want to go to the latest time canonically take a look at The Return. Also, if the sangheili were not a threat, ONI wouldn’t be hellbent on killing them.
> 3.The Elites being in every single halo game because an extremely small group thinks it isn’t halo without them and catering to them- that was what i was referring to.
Not only the elites, but the weapons and vehicles of the Covenant make halo what it is.
> 4. “Mass amount”? If there honestly was a “Mass amount” then the elites would have been given more respect and would be more involved to the universe. Not to mention one single thread on an internet forum shouldn’t be used as an example of a population and i cannot believe you just honestly tried to use it as one.
I recently had a meeting with several other sangheili clan leaders and discussed 5 other sangheili clans I had no idea existed, let alone knowing the members of them. This community is vast. You are no longer apart of it, so it’s pretty obvious you wouldn’t know.
> Silent- i have already stated in my post why not. the only “Why” is because a small community wants them in which brutes should be in MP also along with everything else other people want in the game.
You know what, the OP posted this thread to gain people to show 343 we wanted elites in halo 4. Thanks to you we have had unimaginable amounts of discussion and further advancment for our cause. By all means, continue talking. Because while you talk this thread continues to grow, and arguments raised and points analyzed and elites refined for halo 4. You have been helping the very thing you have been trying to stop.
> > Silent- i have already stated in my post why not. the only “Why” is because a small community wants them in which brutes should be in MP also along with everything else other people want in the game.
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> You know what, the OP posted this thread to gain people to show 343 we wanted elites in halo 4. Thanks to you we have had unimaginable amounts of discussion and further advancment for our cause. By all means, continue talking. Because while you talk this thread continues to grow, and arguments raised and points analyzed and elites refined for halo 4. You have been helping the very thing you have been trying to stop.
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But, you see. that is what makes them all the more interesting, how will they deal with this setback? Well the books may explain it, but then we are still just watchers. Having them in the game allows us to put ourselves within these remarkable characters, and experience their struggles in a way that is is impossible to do by just reading the books. Why give that up? The reason we are still around is because, we, like the people we represent, are a determined community and we refuse to just be snuffed out by fanboys and haters such as yourself.
You are becoming redundant, Deva. rewording your protest to our cause does not seem to be getting you anywhere.
I sure do hope Sangheili will be in the game. Sure, I’ll still buy it but it’ll make the game seem less full and will be missing something I’ve been in Halo for years. So hopefully 343i will listen to this small, but great Sangheili community.
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> > 2.you are the one that needs to read Glasslands seeing how it clearly shows the elites aren’t in any state for galactic adventures and technological advances. They don’t even know how to grow potatoes by themselves. Not to mention the Forerunner trilogy is the backbone for the Games not The postwar (which tidbits are taken from like the SIVs). Glasslands happens during halo 3 in which halo 4 happens in 2556 with cortana being 7.
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Something is clearly wrong with you, your Glasslands point was on two and isn’t my number two relevant to Glasslands? So why would i start with “1” if i was talking about your “2”? maybe you honestly need to increase your intelligence.
The return is what 9 years later right? Did you honestly use ONI, the Government that has no watchdog and is the Cerberus of the haloverse as an example that the elites are harmful? ONI wants to destroy if not wipe out anything that contests humanity.
How are you going to tell me to read Glasslands when it was clearly stated in that novel along with the Return that the elites are having trouble maintaining their ships and cannot replace them since they cannot build them.
So how in the world are they an honest threat to humanity when they are fighting covenant remnants, have an entire society collapse, and do not have even a basic understanding of science and technology?
We can rebuild the few ship we have, they cannot. We could actually wage a war even in our extreme state, they cannot. Please tell me how the elites are any type of threat to humanity?
Last time i checked halo is halo because the foreunners created them fight the flood. The last few years of a 27 year war are not central to that focus because if it was the forerunner novels wouldn’t be labeled halo.
you are honestly over playing your hand since i have been involved in Elite clans since halo 2. the small and thin-stretched ignorant clans of today shouldn’t be spoken as if they are comparable to the few Large and intelligence clans of the past. Because if they honestly were then there would be a much larger uprising then one single thread, as there was in the past.
And explain to me how talking to 5 clan leaders that didn’t kow you means the community is “Vast”? So is a college huge because it is in a local area yet 5 people out of an unspecified number didn’t know me?
First of all, personal attacks are not aloud on this forum. Secondly, please, the more you comment, the more you help us refine our arguments. While you have stooped to the level of insulting intteligence of another person, we continue to grow and refine our arguments. You are ineveitably helping what you seek to rid of. So please, continue to comment. Because the more you comment, the more we have to say. And the more we have to say, the more 343 will lisson. Repeating the same argument will get you knowhere, and insulting intelligence just hurts your own. So please, i ask you to continue onward, because you are only boosting the likelihood of the elites return every single time you comment.
Elites are the superior race in halo and they should come back. We all must rally up to make this possible. All those in favor of elites , make a post. We need are word out there so you can play as elites in halo 4, in all gametypes. 343 is open to suggestions and will be there in our favor if there are a lot of people supporting. The halo reach accident was the most horrifying accident in halo history, and I don’t want that ever again. So stand up and support elites; the superior race and make posts that 343 might just see and look into, causing elites to be back. We want to know, 343, are elites back or not, we want to know.
343i,
I did not always prefer Sangheili to Spartans. In fact, for a while I remember only caring about what armor I could wear and what looked the “coolest”. For the longest time I could not understand my two closest friends on XBOX Live who refused to switch to Spartan armor. After a while though, I was converted.
Elites bring a whole new culture, to the Halo series. They bring to these games a feel that makes them what they are. Without Elites, Halo wouldn’t be Halo. Now like most people on this thread, I am not only asking for a brief Sangheili appearance during the Halo 4 campaign. As we all know, Halo is played mostly for it’s online game play.
I look back to Halo 3 (the first Halo game I ever played) and I miss the interaction between Elites and Spartans in matchmaking games. I miss having to work to unlock all the armor pieces for my Spartan and my Elite avatars.
I ask you, 343i, to please give us Elites in matchmaking, and not just the Halo Reach Elites with whom you are stuck with a full armor that you can’t customize in anyway but color. I want fully customizable Elites, just like the Spartans, and I want both Elites and Spartans to be playable in the majority of the playlists.
I will buy this game even if Elites aren’t present, but I might not last on it as long. What I love about Halo is the experience I get when I connect with all my friends. I know for a fact that if Elites are not playable in Matchmaking that I will lose many of my current online friends. I don’t want to see this happen.
Please give my requests some thought.
I thank you for your time.
