Sangheili (Elites) In New Trilogy Matchmaking (Part 1)

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> I wasn’t talking about matchmaking. Classic Slayer forces you to be a Human even in custom games.

I’m just telling it’s the same for most of the gametypes in matchmaking, they usually have the same trail of flames thing for any overshielded player, it is disabled on matchmaking (except for the ‘Anniversary’ ones) , other features are the neutral flag along the red and blue flag or the flag being carried in the back (enabling the use of weapons for the carrier) in a CTF gametype. A general unique trait is also the name of the gametype on the HUD, it’s common, I’m quite surprised none of the MLG players based their own variants through the MLG Team Slayer just for that HUD thing.

All those little things you can’t enjoy as Elite, too bad.

EDIT : and Invasion Skirmish, removing vehicles from drop zones and changing some of the weapons (no more fuel rod gun) .

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> > Classic Slayer forced you to be a Human.
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> Like most of the modes in matchmaking, too bad there is no option to toggle between Spartans only/both/Elites only as there is a lot of modes in the game with unique traits (like Zombie Ghosts which grant the same flaming effect as the juggernaut for the infected players) . There is also few modes around that change what you play based on the team color.

Yeah but then people would do Spartan only modes remember Reach? Elite Slayer was almost NEVER chosen Ive played Reach for years and only played Elite Slayer once thats why we need Elites in all modes without theur own playlists because theres more spartan players than there are elite players it would just bring back Reach’s problems I understand why you think different modes are a good idea but it woukd restrict the elite fanbase to those modes like Reach did

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> Yeah but then people would do Spartan only modes remember Reach? Elite Slayer was almost NEVER chosen Ive played Reach for years and only played Elite Slayer once thats why we need Elites in all modes without theur own playlists because theres more spartan players than there are elite players it would just bring back Reach’s problems I understand why you think different modes are a good idea but it woukd restrict the elite fanbase to those modes like Reach did

Elite Slayer in Reach, while being an “Elite-only” gametype isn’t a simple Slayer, in custom Slayer itself was an uncommon occurence to me.

The Reach case was (I guess) Bungie thinking things that are slightly better would make a major difference while I failed to see anything like that…

The advantages, all those ‘slightly better things’ the Elites get don’t make it worth the slightly bigger hitbox (shouldn’t care) and the instant shield reload the Spartans have access by using the health pack (which is extremly good and saved me a lot of times on Firefight) . That wouldn’t be too easy to pull out that trick on matchmaking while running from a losing encounter unless you want to hang around health packs.

Going for the absolute balance isn’t a good thing, not worth the lack of Elites.

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> > Yeah but then people would do Spartan only modes remember Reach? Elite Slayer was almost NEVER chosen Ive played Reach for years and only played Elite Slayer once thats why we need Elites in all modes without theur own playlists because theres more spartan players than there are elite players it would just bring back Reach’s problems I understand why you think different modes are a good idea but it woukd restrict the elite fanbase to those modes like Reach did
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> Elite Slayer in Reach, while being an “Elite-only” gametype isn’t a simple Slayer, in custom Slayer itself was an uncommon occurence to me.
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> The Reach case was (I guess) Bungie thinking things that are slightly better would make a major difference while I failed to see anything like that…
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> The advantages, all those ‘slightly better things’ the Elites get don’t make it worth the slightly bigger hitbox (shouldn’t care) and the instant shield reload the Spartans have access by using the health pack (which is extremly good and saved me a lot of times on Firefight) . That wouldn’t be too easy to pull out that trick on matchmaking while running from a losing encounter unless you want to hang around health packs.
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> Going for the absolute balance isn’t a good thing, not worth the lack of Elites.

I agree completely hopefully 343i will bring them back

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I will find his super system of progression compared to the race that we play, Sangheili or spartan, a system with deblocable element specific to the chosen faction that will bring a lot of interest to the multiplayer.

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I’m gonna first preface in this post that this is part of a thread I’ve tried making a couple times but apparently moderators don’t appreciate me making it unless its to this popular post that doesn’t seem to fit 100% with what I’m saying seeing as it has to do with matchmaking while I’m talking about campaign >:( Oh well… What can you do…

Elites
Overall this is a solid enemy and a good soldier alien that is not much unlike yourself. However, I have a couple gripes about their current condition that at the moment make them feel like just your average space soldier.

  • One of the biggest problems I currently have with the elites is how much their sword wielders are complete cowards as of Halo 4 and following into Halo 5. They need a complete re-work to bring them to the scariness level that the Halo Reach sword wielders were. Whenever I saw an energy-sword wielding Elite in Halo Reach I got the emotion of (Oh ‘yoink’ run!!!). Sadly I have to say that the current energy-sword wielders don’t instill that same fear that its predecessors did. Also, they could probably use some invisibility at times. Whether or not this turns the sword invisible would be totally up to you guys of course. Maybe their could be some sort of in-between? Where it will appear vaguely for a couple moments then disappear again.
  • This leads me into my next point. It feels as if invisible Elites have all but disappeared in Halo 5. Unless 343 has completely revamped their tech and those Elites just can’t be seen anymore… You know what, that would explain some of my unexplainable deaths during campaign! All jokes aside, this is something that made the Elites a unique and fun enemy to fight. Without the Elite’s former glory of energy swords and cloaking they now feel like a shadow of their former selves and I can’t simply stand by and not say anything about it.
  • Maybe even allow some Elites to pull out a sword or turn invisible when losing their shield! Or both!?
  • Another thing I’d like to see Elites sometimes utilize is combat rolls and evasive maneuvers in ground battles. This is something I’d like to either see in any higher ranking elite than a blue one or on higher difficulties like Heroic/Legendary. I believe if needed, energy sword elites should even use these tactics as they need effective ways to close the gap.
  • I also believe some Elites should be willing enough to use Human vehicles. They obviously have the ability. Just look at Halo 3 when they were your allies!
    What are your thoughts?
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> I’m gonna first preface in this post that this is part of a thread I’ve tried making a couple times but apparently moderators don’t appreciate me making it unless its to this popular post that doesn’t seem to fit 100% with what I’m saying seeing as it has to do with matchmaking while I’m talking about campaign >:( Oh well… What can you do…
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> Elites
> Overall this is a solid enemy and a good soldier alien that is not much unlike yourself. However, I have a couple gripes about their current condition that at the moment make them feel like just your average space soldier.
> - One of the biggest problems I currently have with the elites is how much their sword wielders are complete cowards as of Halo 4 and following into Halo 5. They need a complete re-work to bring them to the scariness level that the Halo Reach sword wielders were. Whenever I saw an energy-sword wielding Elite in Halo Reach I got the emotion of (Oh ‘yoink’ run!!!). Sadly I have to say that the current energy-sword wielders don’t instill that same fear that its predecessors did. Also, they could probably use some invisibility at times. Whether or not this turns the sword invisible would be totally up to you guys of course. Maybe their could be some sort of in-between? Where it will appear vaguely for a couple moments then disappear again.
> - This leads me into my next point. It feels as if invisible Elites have all but disappeared in Halo 5. Unless 343 has completely revamped their tech and those Elites just can’t be seen anymore… You know what, that would explain some of my unexplainable deaths during campaign! All jokes aside, this is something that made the Elites a unique and fun enemy to fight. Without the Elite’s former glory of energy swords and cloaking they now feel like a shadow of their former selves and I can’t simply stand by and not say anything about it.
> - Maybe even allow some Elites to pull out a sword or turn invisible when losing their shield! Or both!?
> - Another thing I’d like to see Elites sometimes utilize is combat rolls and evasive maneuvers in ground battles. This is something I’d like to either see in any higher ranking elite than a blue one or on higher difficulties like Heroic/Legendary. I believe if needed, energy sword elites should even use these tactics as they need effective ways to close the gap.
> - I also believe some Elites should be willing enough to use Human vehicles. They obviously have the ability. Just look at Halo 3 when they were your allies!
> What are your thoughts?

I think that all your words are correct, the covenant and not that the elites have become secondary I’m now more afraid of a knight than an elite ^ ^ but in short, I think we must go in the logic events, the covenant alliance is dissolved so that it does not have the same (average) as before, most elites have joined the arbiter. On the contrary, I think that it is a good thing to be told to disappear this formidable enemy who made us rage by turning them into an ally, I hope I have not been a bit off topic but this univer me passionate and especially the elites ^^

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> I’m gonna first preface in this post that this is part of a thread I’ve tried making a couple times but apparently moderators don’t appreciate me making it unless its to this popular post that doesn’t seem to fit 100% with what I’m saying seeing as it has to do with matchmaking while I’m talking about campaign >:( Oh well… What can you do…
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> Elites
> Overall this is a solid enemy and a good soldier alien that is not much unlike yourself. However, I have a couple gripes about their current condition that at the moment make them feel like just your average space soldier.
> - One of the biggest problems I currently have with the elites is how much their sword wielders are complete cowards as of Halo 4 and following into Halo 5. They need a complete re-work to bring them to the scariness level that the Halo Reach sword wielders were. Whenever I saw an energy-sword wielding Elite in Halo Reach I got the emotion of (Oh ‘yoink’ run!!!). Sadly I have to say that the current energy-sword wielders don’t instill that same fear that its predecessors did. Also, they could probably use some invisibility at times. Whether or not this turns the sword invisible would be totally up to you guys of course. Maybe their could be some sort of in-between? Where it will appear vaguely for a couple moments then disappear again.
> - This leads me into my next point. It feels as if invisible Elites have all but disappeared in Halo 5. Unless 343 has completely revamped their tech and those Elites just can’t be seen anymore… You know what, that would explain some of my unexplainable deaths during campaign! All jokes aside, this is something that made the Elites a unique and fun enemy to fight. Without the Elite’s former glory of energy swords and cloaking they now feel like a shadow of their former selves and I can’t simply stand by and not say anything about it.
> - Maybe even allow some Elites to pull out a sword or turn invisible when losing their shield! Or both!?
> - Another thing I’d like to see Elites sometimes utilize is combat rolls and evasive maneuvers in ground battles. This is something I’d like to either see in any higher ranking elite than a blue one or on higher difficulties like Heroic/Legendary. I believe if needed, energy sword elites should even use these tactics as they need effective ways to close the gap.- I also believe some Elites should be willing enough to use Human vehicles. They obviously have the ability. Just look at Halo 3 when they were your allies!
> What are your thoughts?

I agree with what you said about Sword elites, they aren’t quite as aggressive as they used to be. However, and I don’t know if you were implying this, but just in case you were, I want you to know that not just any Sangheili is allowed to wield energy swords or possess active camouflage. They are privileges only given to certain ranks. When it comes to the invisibility of the sword, I think canonically that it works the way it does in Halo Reach. So like when you are completely still, everything, including your sword, is invisible. But when you start moving around, part of your body and your sword become partially visible.

Also, I must remind you that fighting Sangheili wasn’t unique because of active camouflage, because not all of them were permitted to use it and certain ranks of other species were permitted, such as the Unggoy or the Jiralhanae. However, I’m sure Stealth and Special-Operations ranks that possess active camouflage will show up again in the future, so I wouldn’t worry about that. I like the idea of Sangheili pulling out their sword when their shields get broken, but the thing about active camouflage is that it doesn’t work while your shields are down, and even if it did like I said, only certain ranks can possess both a sword and active camo.

I completely agree with the bolded statement.

However, I cannot disagree more with anything than with your final idea. Thel ‘Vadam only got in that Warthog on Halo with Chief because if he didn’t, he would’ve died. That’s the only reason. But canonically, a Sangheili would never use Human technology unless it’s a situation like that where the consequences of not using it could be fatal. Human tech is generally inferior to Sangheili and Covenant tech, and even if it wasn’t, the Sangheili generally have a strong sense of pride, and would therefore still not pick it up.

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> > I’m gonna first preface in this post that this is part of a thread I’ve tried making a couple times but apparently moderators don’t appreciate me making it unless its to this popular post that doesn’t seem to fit 100% with what I’m saying seeing as it has to do with matchmaking while I’m talking about campaign >:( Oh well… What can you do…
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> > Elites
> > Overall this is a solid enemy and a good soldier alien that is not much unlike yourself. However, I have a couple gripes about their current condition that at the moment make them feel like just your average space soldier.
> > - One of the biggest problems I currently have with the elites is how much their sword wielders are complete cowards as of Halo 4 and following into Halo 5. They need a complete re-work to bring them to the scariness level that the Halo Reach sword wielders were. Whenever I saw an energy-sword wielding Elite in Halo Reach I got the emotion of (Oh ‘yoink’ run!!!). Sadly I have to say that the current energy-sword wielders don’t instill that same fear that its predecessors did. Also, they could probably use some invisibility at times. Whether or not this turns the sword invisible would be totally up to you guys of course. Maybe their could be some sort of in-between? Where it will appear vaguely for a couple moments then disappear again.
> > - This leads me into my next point. It feels as if invisible Elites have all but disappeared in Halo 5. Unless 343 has completely revamped their tech and those Elites just can’t be seen anymore… You know what, that would explain some of my unexplainable deaths during campaign! All jokes aside, this is something that made the Elites a unique and fun enemy to fight. Without the Elite’s former glory of energy swords and cloaking they now feel like a shadow of their former selves and I can’t simply stand by and not say anything about it.
> > - Maybe even allow some Elites to pull out a sword or turn invisible when losing their shield! Or both!?
> > - Another thing I’d like to see Elites sometimes utilize is combat rolls and evasive maneuvers in ground battles. This is something I’d like to either see in any higher ranking elite than a blue one or on higher difficulties like Heroic/Legendary. I believe if needed, energy sword elites should even use these tactics as they need effective ways to close the gap.
> > - I also believe some Elites should be willing enough to use Human vehicles. They obviously have the ability. Just look at Halo 3 when they were your allies!
> > What are your thoughts?
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> I think that all your words are correct, the covenant and not that the elites have become secondary I’m now more afraid of a knight than an elite ^ ^ but in short, I think we must go in the logic events, the covenant alliance is dissolved so that it does not have the same (average) as before, most elites have joined the arbiter. On the contrary, I think that it is a good thing to be told to disappear this formidable enemy who made us rage by turning them into an ally, I hope I have not been a bit off topic but this univer me passionate and especially the elites ^^

In case you didn’t know, there are a lot more remnants of the Covenant than you probably think, a lot of them containing elites. And with Cortana’s Created having called out to all species as a safe haven, it is likely that a good amount of Sangheili will join that too. So just because Jul ‘Mdama’s Covenant was the strongest remnant of them all and it is now dissolved, the radical aura of the Covenant’s remnants still loom over Humanity.

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The Reach stance was good at making an Elite scary (never intimidated by this, in any game.

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> > I have heard many things on why they were removed: Pro Players complained about them not being fit for Competitive game-play, their hit boxers were to big or they didn’t have time to add them in. Excuses will be excuses.
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> > Even if 343 listens, they won’t deliver what we want. They have asked pro player about maps, and if they are okay. Yet they still change what the players said was perfect, and then they (343) say okay somethings gotta change. (Source of where I got this is from Ready Up Live “Dear 343”.)
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> > Halo Reach to me, had everything perfect for them. Spartans sprint, Elites Evade. I loved the idea of Spartans vs Elites. Because 343 took them out, I had to watch my favorite Machinimas die, because Reach was being forgotten, and because 343 wouldn’t please all of the fans. Just the competitive. Elites should be playable to add a bit more customization to a character. I mean whenever the Reveal for Halo 2 Anniversary was shown at E3, “We are playing Spartans vs Elites 2x”, me and a group of friends was like, AWESOME!!! And whenever I played reach I remember hundreds of thousands of players playing Invasion, cause of being able to play both sides and live a battle UNSC vs Covenant.
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> > A famous Forger also made her own gamemode of Invasion on Halo 5, the mode is Red being UNSC and Blue being Covenant. It’s fun, but doesn’t give me the same feeling like it did 8 years ago. Playable Elites needs to come back, it would be awesome to have a clan system with them like there is with Spartans. Idea, Spartan companies, and Elite Lances/Ships. I miss them, I miss being able to play as one and look cool. I remember being in Halo 3 and scrolling through the roster of a lobby, always at least 1-3 people playing as a Elite, same thing on Reach. 343, you might not know it, but a good portion of Halo Reaches population now, is Sangheili Clans. They refuse to move on due to this. Kinda dumb but you know some people go above and beyond.
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> > Edit: Note, there is a Sangheili clan almost 100 members in their Spartan Company (Sadly the leader ended it.) “Empire of the RSL” they moved to Halo 5, but it really looks ridiculous, as many Elite clans have said to wear Helios Skrill and try to be a Elite. Themed armor isn’t enough. Bring them back.
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> Are you in the Sangheili Clan community? Or the clan community in general?

Been a member of the Sangheili Community since May 2011

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Anyway, moving on, we should also talk about our current chances of getting Elites into the games again, and what we can do to help get them in.

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> Anyway, moving on, we should also talk about our current chances of getting Elites into the games again, and what we can do to help get them in.

343 said they want Halo 6 tonbe the best Halo game yet though I doubt they’l pull it off they most likely will add playable elites back in to get some more interest in multiplayer therefore making more sales so I think on r chances are good…maybe…

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> > Anyway, moving on, we should also talk about our current chances of getting Elites into the games again, and what we can do to help get them in.
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> 343 said they want Halo 6 tonbe the best Halo game yet though I doubt they’l pull it off they most likely will add playable elites back in to get some more interest in multiplayer therefore making more sales so I think on r chances are good…maybe…

Maybe… They’re going to have to put in Elites that are smaller than the Halo 4 and 5 ones. They are way too big. And if Halo 6 will be anything like Halo 5 in gameplay(which it most likely will let’s be honest) they’re going to have to give them spartan abilities. 343 is good at making lore and -Yoink- so why not just make up some “Elites have come up with their own spartan like program”, you know what I’m saying?

But If 343 is creative, they could give Elites completely new abilities while balancing it out.

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> > > Anyway, moving on, we should also talk about our current chances of getting Elites into the games again, and what we can do to help get them in.
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> > 343 said they want Halo 6 tonbe the best Halo game yet though I doubt they’l pull it off they most likely will add playable elites back in to get some more interest in multiplayer therefore making more sales so I think on r chances are good…maybe…
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> Maybe… They’re going to have to put in Elites that are smaller than the Halo 4 and 5 ones. They are way too big. And if Halo 6 will be anything like Halo 5 in gameplay(which it most likely will let’s be honest) they’re going to have to give them spartan abilities. 343 is good at making lore and -Yoink- so why not just make up some “Elites have come up with their own spartan like program”, you know what I’m saying?
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> But If 343 is creative, they could give Elites completely new abilities while balancing it out.

Whilst I agree that H6 won’t be a classic style halo game, I don’t think that elites would have their own abilities, it would probably make it harder to balance.

Besides, I think that it would look pretty cool, to see elites use their own version of Spartan abilities.

Wow, I’ve been gone for a while again, I’ve just liked the posts here and there, but I’m back to be part of the discussion again!
Edit: Can’t believe that we’ve almost reached a thousand pages! Keep on posting my brothers!

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> > > Anyway, moving on, we should also talk about our current chances of getting Elites into the games again, and what we can do to help get them in.
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> > 343 said they want Halo 6 tonbe the best Halo game yet though I doubt they’l pull it off they most likely will add playable elites back in to get some more interest in multiplayer therefore making more sales so I think on r chances are good…maybe…
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> Maybe… They’re going to have to put in Elites that are smaller than the Halo 4 and 5 ones. They are way too big. And if Halo 6 will be anything like Halo 5 in gameplay(which it most likely will let’s be honest) they’re going to have to give them spartan abilities. 343 is good at making lore and -Yoink- so why not just make up some “Elites have come up with their own spartan like program”, you know what I’m saying?
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> But If 343 is creative, they could give Elites completely new abilities while balancing it out.

They can use the H2A Campaign Elite Model where theyre not too big. And on the description of helioskrill. it was made by an elite. which makes a possibility that the elites can create their new armor where they can get spartan abilities. elites can have thrusters and for sure they can sprint too. many players mostly spartans dont like spartan charge and ground pound which is in our favor because we like elites and it really seems “not nice” to see an elite doing ground pound or ramming everyone around doing “Elite Charge” eh? But assassinations, man i’d like to play as an elite again now with more animations for assassinations.

Let’s hope for the best that Halo 6 will have elites in matchmaking.

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> > > > Anyway, moving on, we should also talk about our current chances of getting Elites into the games again, and what we can do to help get them in.
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> > > 343 said they want Halo 6 tonbe the best Halo game yet though I doubt they’l pull it off they most likely will add playable elites back in to get some more interest in multiplayer therefore making more sales so I think on r chances are good…maybe…
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> > Maybe… They’re going to have to put in Elites that are smaller than the Halo 4 and 5 ones. They are way too big. And if Halo 6 will be anything like Halo 5 in gameplay(which it most likely will let’s be honest) they’re going to have to give them spartan abilities. 343 is good at making lore and -Yoink- so why not just make up some “Elites have come up with their own spartan like program”, you know what I’m saying?
> >
> > But If 343 is creative, they could give Elites completely new abilities while balancing it out.
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> They can use the H2A Campaign Elite Model where theyre not too big. And on the description of helioskrill. it was made by an elite. which makes a possibility that the elites can create their new armor where they can get spartan abilities. elites can have thrusters and for sure they can sprint too. many players mostly spartans dont like spartan charge and ground pound which is in our favor because we like elites and it really seems “not nice” to see an elite doing ground pound or ramming everyone around doing “Elite Charge” eh? But assassinations, man i’d like to play as an elite again now with more animations for assassinations.
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> Let’s hope for the best that Halo 6 will have elites in matchmaking.

Whilst I do prefer the old play style, I don’t see why it would be strange to see an elite groundpound or shoulder charge

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> Whilst I do prefer the old play style, I don’t see why it would be strange to see an elite groundpound or shoulder charge

There is that cutscene in Halo: Reach with an Elite doing that or not far from.

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> > > Anyway, moving on, we should also talk about our current chances of getting Elites into the games again, and what we can do to help get them in.
> >
> > 343 said they want Halo 6 tonbe the best Halo game yet though I doubt they’l pull it off they most likely will add playable elites back in to get some more interest in multiplayer therefore making more sales so I think on r chances are good…maybe…
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> Maybe… They’re going to have to put in Elites that are smaller than the Halo 4 and 5 ones. They are way too big. And if Halo 6 will be anything like Halo 5 in gameplay(which it most likely will let’s be honest) they’re going to have to give them spartan abilities. 343 is good at making lore and -Yoink- so why not just make up some “Elites have come up with their own spartan like program”, you know what I’m saying?
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> But If 343 is creative, they could give Elites completely new abilities while balancing it out.

The spartan abilities are trash imo, Id like 343 to remove spartan slam, charge, and hover abilitues I dont mind for the boost dodge but if they remove that Id be fine with that as well removing those abilities would put elites on a more even playing field and it woulf make them easier to integrate into the game

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> > Whilst I do prefer the old play style, I don’t see why it would be strange to see an elite groundpound or shoulder charge
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> There is that cutscene in Halo: Reach with an Elite doing that or not far from.

That is very different than the shoulder charge from Halo 5.