Sangheili (Elites) In New Trilogy Matchmaking (Part 1)

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > > > > > > > So if playable elites return and it’s only the newer designs, this entire discussion would shift wouldn’t it?
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> > > > > > > What exactly do you mean by shift? And sorry for my previous post I hit submit accidentally and tried editing but it wouldnt work for some reason
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> > > > > > The argument would shift over the design of the elites themselves, and why the new designs should/shouldn’t be kept.
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> > > > > Oh ok well IMO I like both designs so I wouldnt mind either but I would prefer the classic design or at least Halo 2a’s campaign elite design and by the looks of it they went back to the classic design in Halo Wars 2 so heres to hoping that yransfers from Halo Wars 2 to Halo 6
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> > > > Chances are the new one will still be here and the old one relegated to Arby and spinoffs.
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> > > I heard somewhere (cant remember where) but apparently both types of elites exist in the same universe 343 just didnt have the resources to make both versions in game its also the same with the new/classic jackals they’re apparently two different types that co-exist in the same universe
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> > Indeed that is true. There are an unknown number of subspecies for almost every species of the Covenant, and people just need to learn to accept that realistic genetic variety. If they used the subspecies that we see in Halo 4/5 but put it in every armor they add, I won’t give a -Yoink-, even though I advocate adding interchangeable subspecies.
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> I gotta remember it from a gameplay standpoint if we’re already adding playable elites in. Things gotta compromise from what we want.
> I’d love to be surprised though!
> Pretty sure they already know we want the old design back because of the promotion of Halo Wars 2 for it’s design of the elites and everything else alone from the game.
> You gotta admit though, if we get interchangable undersuits in Halo 6 for spartans, I would be surprised if they don’t add species skins later for them cause that’d be perfect for add-on content. For me, I don’t care how the mandibles look even if they change from the desert scaly rigid elites in 343’s duo of games now, compared to the black leather, round mandibles we saw in Bungie.
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> Have dat interchangeable armour, dos big elites from Reach, Invasion, and assassinations.

I was thinking something similar like how they could have both elite subspecies be playable to add to variety and the skin color changing for elites would be cool too, and since spartans have visor colors elites could have different colors of lights that glow on their armor since the elites dont have visors on any of their armors except ranger; 343 needs too realize that elites are just as big of a part of Halo as spartans and that they can have gteat customization options as well

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> > > > > > > > > So if playable elites return and it’s only the newer designs, this entire discussion would shift wouldn’t it?
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> > > > > > > > What exactly do you mean by shift? And sorry for my previous post I hit submit accidentally and tried editing but it wouldnt work for some reason
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> > > > > > > The argument would shift over the design of the elites themselves, and why the new designs should/shouldn’t be kept.
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> > > > > > Oh ok well IMO I like both designs so I wouldnt mind either but I would prefer the classic design or at least Halo 2a’s campaign elite design and by the looks of it they went back to the classic design in Halo Wars 2 so heres to hoping that yransfers from Halo Wars 2 to Halo 6
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> > > > > Chances are the new one will still be here and the old one relegated to Arby and spinoffs.
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> > > > I heard somewhere (cant remember where) but apparently both types of elites exist in the same universe 343 just didnt have the resources to make both versions in game its also the same with the new/classic jackals they’re apparently two different types that co-exist in the same universe
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> I was thinking something similar like how they could have both elite subspecies be playable to add to variety and the skin color changing for elites would be cool too, and since spartans have visor colors elites could have different colors of lights that glow on their armor since the elites dont have visors on any of their armors except ranger; 343 needs too realize that elites are just as big of a part of Halo as spartans and that they can have gteat customization options as well

Just wanted to point out that there are at least 4, and most likely more.

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> > > > > > > > > So if playable elites return and it’s only the newer designs, this entire discussion would shift wouldn’t it?
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> > > > > > > > What exactly do you mean by shift? And sorry for my previous post I hit submit accidentally and tried editing but it wouldnt work for some reason
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> > > > > > > The argument would shift over the design of the elites themselves, and why the new designs should/shouldn’t be kept.
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> > > > > > Oh ok well IMO I like both designs so I wouldnt mind either but I would prefer the classic design or at least Halo 2a’s campaign elite design and by the looks of it they went back to the classic design in Halo Wars 2 so heres to hoping that yransfers from Halo Wars 2 to Halo 6
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> > > > > Chances are the new one will still be here and the old one relegated to Arby and spinoffs.
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> > > > I heard somewhere (cant remember where) but apparently both types of elites exist in the same universe 343 just didnt have the resources to make both versions in game its also the same with the new/classic jackals they’re apparently two different types that co-exist in the same universe
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> I was thinking something similar like how they could have both elite subspecies be playable to add to variety and the skin color changing for elites would be cool too, and since spartans have visor colors elites could have different colors of lights that glow on their armor since the elites dont have visors on any of their armors except ranger; 343 needs too realize that elites are just as big of a part of Halo as spartans and that they can have gteat customization options as well

Also wanted to point out that both the Silent Shadow armor and Mvon 'Sraom’s armor have visors as well, though those are the only two I know of with such besides the rangers and ranger arbiter. Otherwise, I like the idea, as you couldn’t change visor color for Sangheili in Reach, which kind of sucked.

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Crazy to see this thread still going 6 years later.

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> > > > > > > > > > So if playable elites return and it’s only the newer designs, this entire discussion would shift wouldn’t it?
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> > > > > > > > > What exactly do you mean by shift? And sorry for my previous post I hit submit accidentally and tried editing but it wouldnt work for some reason
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> > > > > > > > The argument would shift over the design of the elites themselves, and why the new designs should/shouldn’t be kept.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oh ok well IMO I like both designs so I wouldnt mind either but I would prefer the classic design or at least Halo 2a’s campaign elite design and by the looks of it they went back to the classic design in Halo Wars 2 so heres to hoping that yransfers from Halo Wars 2 to Halo 6
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> > > > > > Chances are the new one will still be here and the old one relegated to Arby and spinoffs.
> > > > >
> > > > > I heard somewhere (cant remember where) but apparently both types of elites exist in the same universe 343 just didnt have the resources to make both versions in game its also the same with the new/classic jackals they’re apparently two different types that co-exist in the same universe
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> > I was thinking something similar like how they could have both elite subspecies be playable to add to variety and the skin color changing for elites would be cool too, and since spartans have visor colors elites could have different colors of lights that glow on their armor since the elites dont have visors on any of their armors except ranger; 343 needs too realize that elites are just as big of a part of Halo as spartans and that they can have gteat customization options as well
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> Just wanted to point out that there are at least 4, and most likely more.
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> > > > > > > > > > So if playable elites return and it’s only the newer designs, this entire discussion would shift wouldn’t it?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What exactly do you mean by shift? And sorry for my previous post I hit submit accidentally and tried editing but it wouldnt work for some reason
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> > > > > > > > The argument would shift over the design of the elites themselves, and why the new designs should/shouldn’t be kept.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oh ok well IMO I like both designs so I wouldnt mind either but I would prefer the classic design or at least Halo 2a’s campaign elite design and by the looks of it they went back to the classic design in Halo Wars 2 so heres to hoping that yransfers from Halo Wars 2 to Halo 6
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chances are the new one will still be here and the old one relegated to Arby and spinoffs.
> > > > >
> > > > > I heard somewhere (cant remember where) but apparently both types of elites exist in the same universe 343 just didnt have the resources to make both versions in game its also the same with the new/classic jackals they’re apparently two different types that co-exist in the same universe
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> > I was thinking something similar like how they could have both elite subspecies be playable to add to variety and the skin color changing for elites would be cool too, and since spartans have visor colors elites could have different colors of lights that glow on their armor since the elites dont have visors on any of their armors except ranger; 343 needs too realize that elites are just as big of a part of Halo as spartans and that they can have gteat customization options as well
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> Also wanted to point out that both the Silent Shadow armor and Mvon 'Sraom’s armor have visors as well, though those are the only two I know of with such besides the rangers and ranger arbiter. Otherwise, I like the idea, as you couldn’t change visor color for Sangheili in Reach, which kind of sucked.

Thanks for informing me on this I dont normally look deep into Halo lore outside of the games its interesting to learn these new things

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> Crazy to see this thread still going 6 years later.

People want playable elites back and 343 hasnt delivered yet; it just goes to show that no matter how long we have to wait we wont stop asking for great/classic features to return to future games

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dinos are core component of the classic halo matchmaking experience

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An important part of the future of this thread, if we ever get Elites back, is to continue this thread no matter what, we must not kill it, because we would need to maintain that Elites STAY in the games, we should always remember that.

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> An important part of the future of this thread, if we ever get Elites back, is to continue this thread no matter what, we must not kill it, because we would need to maintain that Elites STAY in the games, we should always remember that.

Thats true, if this thread dies 343 will think peopme dont care anymore and then they’d remove them from the mext halo title and.then we’d have to return to the forums and start all over again…

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Do you think for playable Elites should have armors all from the different Halo games for customization options? It’s pretty much confirmed that Halo 2, 3, 4, and Reach armors all coexist at the same time and is simply not a art style change(Halo 4 Zealot Elite standing next to a Halo Reach Zealot).

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> > An important part of the future of this thread, if we ever get Elites back, is to continue this thread no matter what, we must not kill it, because we would need to maintain that Elites STAY in the games, we should always remember that.
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> Thats true, if this thread dies 343 will think peopme dont care anymore and then they’d remove them from the mext halo title and.then we’d have to return to the forums and start all over again…

Another important reason for keeping this thread alive is that, despite my hopes, 343 likely will not give playable Sangheili proper, deserved customization if they bring them back into the games. We need to insure they get plenty of customizable options for appearance including armors themselves (due to their immense and wonderful selection), the ability to change the colors of the visors and eyeslits common in Sangheili armors such as the Halo Reach Ultra or Halo 3 Flight Armor (an option never seen in any Halo games before), the ability to interchange armor from different armor sets (an option only present in Halo 3 for Sangheili), and eventually hopefully the ability to change your subspecies.

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> Do you think for playable Elites should have armors all from the different Halo games for customization options? It’s pretty much confirmed that Halo 2, 3, 4, and Reach armors all coexist at the same time and is simply not a art style change(Halo 4 Zealot Elite standing next to a Halo Reach Zealot).

Yes we need ALL armors and armors we have never seen before it would be awesome to have new and old armors

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> > > An important part of the future of this thread, if we ever get Elites back, is to continue this thread no matter what, we must not kill it, because we would need to maintain that Elites STAY in the games, we should always remember that.
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> > Thats true, if this thread dies 343 will think peopme dont care anymore and then they’d remove them from the mext halo title and.then we’d have to return to the forums and start all over again…
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> Another important reason for keeping this thread alive is that, despite my hopes, 343 likely will not give playable Sangheili proper, deserved customization if they bring them back into the games. We need to insure they get plenty of customizable options for appearance including armors themselves (due to their immense and wonderful selection), the ability to change the colors of the visors and eyeslits common in Sangheili armors such as the Halo Reach Ultra or Halo 3 Flight Armor (an option never seen in any Halo games before), the ability to interchange armor from different armor sets (an option only present in Halo 3 for Sangheili), and eventually hopefully the ability to change your subspecies.

Changing the subspecies is a great idea and like I said in a previous post instead of visor color for spartans we could change the color of the lights on their armor since elites dont have visors on ALL of their armors

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I have heard many things on why they were removed: Pro Players complained about them not being fit for Competitive game-play, their hit boxers were to big or they didn’t have time to add them in. Excuses will be excuses.

Even if 343 listens, they won’t deliver what we want. They have asked pro player about maps, and if they are okay. Yet they still change what the players said was perfect, and then they (343) say okay somethings gotta change. (Source of where I got this is from Ready Up Live “Dear 343”.)

Halo Reach to me, had everything perfect for them. Spartans sprint, Elites Evade. I loved the idea of Spartans vs Elites. Because 343 took them out, I had to watch my favorite Machinimas die, because Reach was being forgotten, and because 343 wouldn’t please all of the fans. Just the competitive. Elites should be playable to add a bit more customization to a character. I mean whenever the Reveal for Halo 2 Anniversary was shown at E3, “We are playing Spartans vs Elites 2x”, me and a group of friends was like, AWESOME!!! And whenever I played reach I remember hundreds of thousands of players playing Invasion, cause of being able to play both sides and live a battle UNSC vs Covenant.

A famous Forger also made her own gamemode of Invasion on Halo 5, the mode is Red being UNSC and Blue being Covenant. It’s fun, but doesn’t give me the same feeling like it did 8 years ago. Playable Elites needs to come back, it would be awesome to have a clan system with them like there is with Spartans. Idea, Spartan companies, and Elite Lances/Ships. I miss them, I miss being able to play as one and look cool. I remember being in Halo 3 and scrolling through the roster of a lobby, always at least 1-3 people playing as a Elite, same thing on Reach. 343, you might not know it, but a good portion of Halo Reaches population now, is Sangheili Clans. They refuse to move on due to this. Kinda dumb but you know some people go above and beyond.

Edit: Note, there is a Sangheili clan almost 100 members in their Spartan Company (Sadly the leader ended it.) “Empire of the RSL” they moved to Halo 5, but it really looks ridiculous, as many Elite clans have said to wear Helios Skrill and try to be a Elite. Themed armor isn’t enough. Bring them back.

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> I have heard many things on why they were removed: Pro Players complained about them not being fit for Competitive game-play, their hit boxers were to big or they didn’t have time to add them in. Excuses will be excuses.
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> Even if 343 listens, they won’t deliver what we want. They have asked pro player about maps, and if they are okay. Yet they still change what the players said was perfect, and then they (343) say okay somethings gotta change. (Source of where I got this is from Ready Up Live “Dear 343”.)
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> Halo Reach to me, had everything perfect for them. Spartans sprint, Elites Evade. I loved the idea of Spartans vs Elites. Because 343 took them out, I had to watch my favorite Machinimas die, because Reach was being forgotten, and because 343 wouldn’t please all of the fans. Just the competitive. Elites should be playable to add a bit more customization to a character. I mean whenever the Reveal for Halo 2 Anniversary was shown at E3, “We are playing Spartans vs Elites 2x”, me and a group of friends was like, AWESOME!!! And whenever I played reach I remember hundreds of thousands of players playing Invasion, cause of being able to play both sides and live a battle UNSC vs Covenant.
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> A famous Forger also made her own gamemode of Invasion on Halo 5, the mode is Red being UNSC and Blue being Covenant. It’s fun, but doesn’t give me the same feeling like it did 8 years ago. Playable Elites needs to come back, it would be awesome to have a clan system with them like there is with Spartans. Idea, Spartan companies, and Elite Lances/Ships. I miss them, I miss being able to play as one and look cool. I remember being in Halo 3 and scrolling through the roster of a lobby, always at least 1-3 people playing as a Elite, same thing on Reach. 343, you might not know it, but a good portion of Halo Reaches population now, is Sangheili Clans. They refuse to move on due to this. Kinda dumb but you know some people go above and beyond.
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> Edit: Note, there is a Sangheili clan almost 100 members in their Spartan Company (Sadly the leader ended it.) “Empire of the RSL” they moved to Halo 5, but it really looks ridiculous, as many Elite clans have said to wear Helios Skrill and try to be a Elite. Themed armor isn’t enough. Bring them back.

Too bad 343 only listen to the competitive side of halo and not the casual’s

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> > I have heard many things on why they were removed: Pro Players complained about them not being fit for Competitive game-play, their hit boxers were to big or they didn’t have time to add them in. Excuses will be excuses.
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> > Even if 343 listens, they won’t deliver what we want. They have asked pro player about maps, and if they are okay. Yet they still change what the players said was perfect, and then they (343) say okay somethings gotta change. (Source of where I got this is from Ready Up Live “Dear 343”.)
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> > Halo Reach to me, had everything perfect for them. Spartans sprint, Elites Evade. I loved the idea of Spartans vs Elites. Because 343 took them out, I had to watch my favorite Machinimas die, because Reach was being forgotten, and because 343 wouldn’t please all of the fans. Just the competitive. Elites should be playable to add a bit more customization to a character. I mean whenever the Reveal for Halo 2 Anniversary was shown at E3, “We are playing Spartans vs Elites 2x”, me and a group of friends was like, AWESOME!!! And whenever I played reach I remember hundreds of thousands of players playing Invasion, cause of being able to play both sides and live a battle UNSC vs Covenant.
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> > A famous Forger also made her own gamemode of Invasion on Halo 5, the mode is Red being UNSC and Blue being Covenant. It’s fun, but doesn’t give me the same feeling like it did 8 years ago. Playable Elites needs to come back, it would be awesome to have a clan system with them like there is with Spartans. Idea, Spartan companies, and Elite Lances/Ships. I miss them, I miss being able to play as one and look cool. I remember being in Halo 3 and scrolling through the roster of a lobby, always at least 1-3 people playing as a Elite, same thing on Reach. 343, you might not know it, but a good portion of Halo Reaches population now, is Sangheili Clans. They refuse to move on due to this. Kinda dumb but you know some people go above and beyond.
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> > Edit: Note, there is a Sangheili clan almost 100 members in their Spartan Company (Sadly the leader ended it.) “Empire of the RSL” they moved to Halo 5, but it really looks ridiculous, as many Elite clans have said to wear Helios Skrill and try to be a Elite. Themed armor isn’t enough. Bring them back.
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> Too bad 343 only listen to the competitive side of halo and not the casual’s

That’s the thing, they don’t even listen to them. If you read at the beginning of what I said, they asked the Pro players about the map layouts. Even if they said it was perfect, 343 stilled changed something cause they’re like, “Well something has to change.” They think their opinion is better over ours.

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> Crazy to see this thread still going 6 years later.

Even crazier to see 343 didn’t do -Yoink- with this thread 6 years later.

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> Even crazier to see 343 didn’t do -Yoink- with this thread 6 years later.

we all have our reasons, fingers crossed that they listen now

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This thread was created 2012. Halo 5 was 2015. Have we ever heard 343i talk about elites until now? if yes please tell me. I love to play as an elite again.
but seeing what 343i did to improve spartans, gave them abilities that seem impossible for the elites and making the elites larger in size?
i think they never plan on returning them as playable characters. but i do like the armor they did to make a spartan look like an elite slightly with the helioskrill.
if they are not planing to return our beloved elites then create more elite designed armors and helmets and let us customize the HUD.

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> This thread was created 2012. Halo 5 was 2015. Have we ever heard 343i talk about elites until now? if yes please tell me. I love to play as an elite again.
> but seeing what 343i did to improve spartans, gave them abilities that seem impossible for the elites and making the elites larger in size?
> i think they never plan on returning them as playable characters. but i do like the armor they did to make a spartan look like an elite slightly with the helioskrill.
> if they are not planing to return our beloved elites then create more elite designed armors and helmets and let us customize the HUD.

To answer your question, no, 343 has stayed silent on this topic, at least to the extent of my knowledge.

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I joined the Halo Feedback community. I will ask why the elites were removed and what is needed in Halo 6 next time. When will I have the opportunity?