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> Maybe I’m just reading into this too much, but I don’t think 343 has any intention of ever adding Elites again
I really hope not unless its for Invasion.
Yeah i want elites were playable again in matchmaking…
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> > Maybe I’m just reading into this too much, but I don’t think 343 has any intention of ever adding Elites again
>
> I really hope not unless its for Invasion.
It was never a problem circa Halo 2-3. Reach made it a problem because Spartan IIIs were not as strong as Elites, thus creating balancing problems. Eliminated Elites from normal play because of that.
343 has gone and said that Spartan 4s are as strong as a Spartan 2, while in armor (because they needed a reason for Chief not to just pick up Locke and snap him in half like he should have), so balancing issues do not exist here.
No reason Elites can’t come back. Made Halo unique.
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> > Don’t just give us elites! Do what epic did with gears of war 3, there was a game mode called Beast mode where you can play as any monsters in the game. All the animations and tuning should of been done for these characters why cant we play as our enemies?
>
> So, Invasion?
I think the whole point of his post was to ask for more than just what invasion offered. He was asking for all of the species of the Covenant to be playable.
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> > > Don’t just give us elites! Do what epic did with gears of war 3, there was a game mode called Beast mode where you can play as any monsters in the game. All the animations and tuning should of been done for these characters why cant we play as our enemies?
> >
> > So, Invasion?
>
> I think the whole point of his post was to ask for more than just what invasion offered. He was asking for all of the species of the Covenant to be playable.
No. Never.
Please no.
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> > > > Don’t just give us elites! Do what epic did with gears of war 3, there was a game mode called Beast mode where you can play as any monsters in the game. All the animations and tuning should of been done for these characters why cant we play as our enemies?
> > >
> > > So, Invasion?
> >
> > I think the whole point of his post was to ask for more than just what invasion offered. He was asking for all of the species of the Covenant to be playable.
>
> No. Never.
> Please no.
I can see why you would be against that, balancing issues and all, but I do like this concept. If they can just keep matchmaking strictly to Humans and Sangheili, while allowing people to choose any species they want for custom games and such, I’d see not harm in that but great potential (particularly for machinimas).
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> I took a look at Halo MCC menus and some other stuff, like the preview image for game modes like BTB in find a match.
>
> I’m of the opinion that 343 very much wants us to forget that playable Elites were ever in Halo.
>
>
> - All preview images for Find a Match do not include Elites, even when it’s specific to Halo 3 or Halo 2. - Infection is worded so that you would not assume there to be playable Elites for that mode. - Change voice for Halo 3 (M-F) only says “Spartan” when I’m pretty sure it affects Elites tooMaybe I’m just reading into this too much, but I don’t think 343 has any intention of ever adding Elites again
And here I was, believing that I was the only one to take notice of that… but yes, in H3, the M/F voice change affects elites as well.
Edit: You and me both fear that 343 will pretend that elites never were playable, I hope to be disproven.
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> > Don’t just give us elites! Do what epic did with gears of war 3, there was a game mode called Beast mode where you can play as any monsters in the game. All the animations and tuning should of been done for these characters why cant we play as our enemies?
>
> So, Invasion?
Invasion is pvp, Beast mode is more PVE
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> > 2533275031935123;17182:
> > I took a look at Halo MCC menus and some other stuff, like the preview image for game modes like BTB in find a match.
> >
> > I’m of the opinion that 343 very much wants us to forget that playable Elites were ever in Halo.
> >
> >
> > - All preview images for Find a Match do not include Elites, even when it’s specific to Halo 3 or Halo 2. - Infection is worded so that you would not assume there to be playable Elites for that mode. - Change voice for Halo 3 (M-F) only says “Spartan” when I’m pretty sure it affects Elites tooMaybe I’m just reading into this too much, but I don’t think 343 has any intention of ever adding Elites again
>
> And here I was, believing that I was the only one to take notice of that… but yes, in H3, the M/F voice change affects elites as well.
>
> Edit: You and me both fear that 343 will pretend that elites never were playable, I hope to be disproven.
I really don’t want to be the kind of person that thinks that though!
We agreed to have this forum available to all and able to seen and responded to no matter what.
If they were trying to pretend Playable Elites never existed, I wouldn’t have any respect for them, and they need that respect right now.
Also, some of those reasons go a little deep, but the lack of Elites in gamemodes posters kind of scares me.
Do you think they’re purposely leaving them out to make us forget? 
With the product of that saying that, being it clearly isn’t working? Haha!
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> > > I took a look at Halo MCC menus and some other stuff, like the preview image for game modes like BTB in find a match.
> > >
> > > I’m of the opinion that 343 very much wants us to forget that playable Elites were ever in Halo.
> > >
> > >
> > > - All preview images for Find a Match do not include Elites, even when it’s specific to Halo 3 or Halo 2. - Infection is worded so that you would not assume there to be playable Elites for that mode. - Change voice for Halo 3 (M-F) only says “Spartan” when I’m pretty sure it affects Elites tooMaybe I’m just reading into this too much, but I don’t think 343 has any intention of ever adding Elites again
> >
> > And here I was, believing that I was the only one to take notice of that… but yes, in H3, the M/F voice change affects elites as well.
> >
> > Edit: You and me both fear that 343 will pretend that elites never were playable, I hope to be disproven.
>
> I really don’t want to be the kind of person that thinks that though!
> We agreed to have this forum available to all and able to seen and responded to no matter what.
>
> If they were trying to pretend Playable Elites never existed, I wouldn’t have any respect for them, and they need that respect right now.
>
> Also, some of those reasons go a little deep, but the lack of Elites in gamemodes posters kind of scares me.
> Do you think they’re purposely leaving them out to make us forget?
>
> With the product of that saying that, being it clearly isn’t working? Haha!
I swear if 343 try to make us forget elites were playable they have lost my faith in this “reclaimer” saga of halo and I would pretend that halo finished with Reach…
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> > > > 2533275031935123;17182:
> > > > I took a look at Halo MCC menus and some other stuff, like the preview image for game modes like BTB in find a match.
> > > >
> > > > I’m of the opinion that 343 very much wants us to forget that playable Elites were ever in Halo.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - All preview images for Find a Match do not include Elites, even when it’s specific to Halo 3 or Halo 2. - Infection is worded so that you would not assume there to be playable Elites for that mode. - Change voice for Halo 3 (M-F) only says “Spartan” when I’m pretty sure it affects Elites tooMaybe I’m just reading into this too much, but I don’t think 343 has any intention of ever adding Elites again
> > >
> > > And here I was, believing that I was the only one to take notice of that… but yes, in H3, the M/F voice change affects elites as well.
> > >
> > > Edit: You and me both fear that 343 will pretend that elites never were playable, I hope to be disproven.
> >
> > I really don’t want to be the kind of person that thinks that though!
> > We agreed to have this forum available to all and able to seen and responded to no matter what.
> >
> > If they were trying to pretend Playable Elites never existed, I wouldn’t have any respect for them, and they need that respect right now.
> >
> > Also, some of those reasons go a little deep, but the lack of Elites in gamemodes posters kind of scares me.
> > Do you think they’re purposely leaving them out to make us forget?
> >
> > With the product of that saying that, being it clearly isn’t working? Haha!
>
> I swear if 343 try to make us forget elites were playable they have lost my faith in this “reclaimer” saga of halo and I would pretend that halo finished with Reach…
Reach did finish the saga. Everything else after it is fan fiction. (Reach-ODST are the only true Halo games. I consider the Reclaimer saga to be bad fanfiction)
Or a seriously bad nightmare for the Chief.
On the topic of Elites, 343 probably doesn’t want to add them because it’ll mess with their perfect little Esports arena.
They care a lot about “immersion”, so they would want to give different hitboxes to Elites, thus ruining balance of the game. Halo 3 did it the best, as the Elite and Spartan hitboxes were exactly the same. Or at least that’s what I though Bungie said about it.
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> > > > > 2533275031935123;17182:
> > > > > I took a look at Halo MCC menus and some other stuff, like the preview image for game modes like BTB in find a match.
> > > > >
> > > > > I’m of the opinion that 343 very much wants us to forget that playable Elites were ever in Halo.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > - All preview images for Find a Match do not include Elites, even when it’s specific to Halo 3 or Halo 2. - Infection is worded so that you would not assume there to be playable Elites for that mode. - Change voice for Halo 3 (M-F) only says “Spartan” when I’m pretty sure it affects Elites tooMaybe I’m just reading into this too much, but I don’t think 343 has any intention of ever adding Elites again
> > > >
> > > > And here I was, believing that I was the only one to take notice of that… but yes, in H3, the M/F voice change affects elites as well.
> > > >
> > > > Edit: You and me both fear that 343 will pretend that elites never were playable, I hope to be disproven.
> > >
> > > I really don’t want to be the kind of person that thinks that though!
> > > We agreed to have this forum available to all and able to seen and responded to no matter what.
> > >
> > > If they were trying to pretend Playable Elites never existed, I wouldn’t have any respect for them, and they need that respect right now.
> > >
> > > Also, some of those reasons go a little deep, but the lack of Elites in gamemodes posters kind of scares me.
> > > Do you think they’re purposely leaving them out to make us forget?
> > >
> > > With the product of that saying that, being it clearly isn’t working? Haha!
> >
> > I swear if 343 try to make us forget elites were playable they have lost my faith in this “reclaimer” saga of halo and I would pretend that halo finished with Reach…
>
> Reach did finish the saga. Everything else after it is fan fiction. (Reach-ODST are the only true Halo games. I consider the Reclaimer saga to be bad fanfiction)
> Or a seriously bad nightmare for the Chief.
>
> On the topic of Elites, 343 probably doesn’t want to add them because it’ll mess with their perfect little Esports arena.
> They care a lot about “immersion”, so they would want to give different hitboxes to Elites, thus ruining balance of the game. Halo 3 did it the best, as the Elite and Spartan hitboxes were exactly the same. Or at least that’s what I though Bungie said about it.
They could have it so you HAVE to play as a Spartan in competitive games whilst in social and community games you can choose to be a Spartan or elite
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> Don’t just give us elites! Do what epic did with gears of war 3, there was a game mode called Beast mode where you can play as any monsters in the game. All the animations and tuning should of been done for these characters why cant we play as our enemies?
That would be cool playing as a hunter or promethean knight but first priority imo is playable elites in ALL multiplayer modes
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> > Don’t just give us elites! Do what epic did with gears of war 3, there was a game mode called Beast mode where you can play as any monsters in the game. All the animations and tuning should of been done for these characters why cant we play as our enemies?
>
> That would be cool playing as a hunter or promethean knight but first priority imo is playable elites in ALL multiplayer modes
a man can dream lol!
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> It was never a problem circa Halo 2-3. Reach made it a problem because Spartan IIIs were not as strong as Elites, thus creating balancing problems. Eliminated Elites from normal play because of that.
The difference between Spartans and Elites is too small to really make a difference, I already said that.
The real advantage the Spartans get is the instant shield reload when healing, slightly faster speed, slightly better jump, slightly better health… it doesn’t create a large enough gap, Invasion, again the Elites aren’t always the winners in encounters despite the obvious advantage in effective close to medium range weaponry.
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> > It was never a problem circa Halo 2-3. Reach made it a problem because Spartan IIIs were not as strong as Elites, thus creating balancing problems. Eliminated Elites from normal play because of that.
>
> The difference between Spartans and Elites is too small to really make a difference, I already said that.
>
> The real advantage the Spartans get is the instant shield reload when healing, slightly faster speed, slightly better jump, slightly better health… it doesn’t create a large enough gap, Invasion, again the Elites aren’t always the winners in encounters despite the obvious advantage in effective close to medium range weaponry.
From what I remember, there were other little things too. Elites do slightly more melee damage than Spartans, and have much larger hitboxes. They also had stronger aim assist with certain Covenant weapons.
Don’t remember all the differences though. Could be more.
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> From what I remember, there were other little things too. Elites do slightly more melee damage than Spartans, and have much larger hitboxes. They also had stronger aim assist with certain Covenant weapons.
> Don’t remember all the differences though. Could be more.
Yeah about melee and hitboxes, I think that one was experienced by Elite players playing on infection maps.
If they have stronger aim assist or anything like that it’s barely noticeable (they do have the rotating focus rifle reticle for few weapons) to a point it don’t help Elites enough.
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> > From what I remember, there were other little things too. Elites do slightly more melee damage than Spartans, and have much larger hitboxes. They also had stronger aim assist with certain Covenant weapons.
> > Don’t remember all the differences though. Could be more.
>
> Yeah about melee and hitboxes, I think that one was experienced by Elite players playing on infection maps.
>
> If they have stronger aim assist or anything like that it’s barely noticeable (they do have the rotating focus rifle reticle for few weapons) to a point it don’t help Elites enough.
Yeah, the rotating reticle was what I was talking about. The Plasma Repeater and a few other weapons could use it. It was a lot like the aiming reticle for the Saber fighters.
Honestly, we are 2 games into the reclaimer trilogy and it still hasn’t been done WTF, not only that but the brutes haven’t even returned to an FPS game, and even in HW2 they haven’t actually fought for the side of the covenant, or in a war against humans. Atriox vs the SOF was more of a series of skirmishes for survival. No brutes at all, and no elites in multiplayer. It’s not like Halo anymore, plus even if they bring them to Halo 6, by now they’d only be in 1/3 of the trilogy. Less than 50% (alot less) of the new games not having playable elites, if they even have them, is ridiculous.
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> > > Don’t just give us elites! Do what epic did with gears of war 3, there was a game mode called Beast mode where you can play as any monsters in the game. All the animations and tuning should of been done for these characters why cant we play as our enemies?
> >
> > That would be cool playing as a hunter or promethean knight but first priority imo is playable elites in ALL multiplayer modes
>
> a man can dream lol!
It seems like dreaming is all we CAN do now since 343 ignored us for the past two games