oh yeah the postures different but i meant placement of the eyes and build of mandibles and the fact that they dont look like a brute and iguana had a baby
> Go play a Quake or Unreal game. You’d freak out at all of the different player models that you have to choose from. Different player models can work. How many Sci-Fi shooters out there are just human on human? It’s boring as -Yoink!-.
I don’t think you understand competitive game mechanics. It sounds like Halo isn’t the game you are looking for at all really in terms of what you describe.
I don’t play MLG but their core is the correct one, equal starting points with skill being the determining factor for victory. They have earned and given away millions in prize money and are a big success in E-Sports FPS.
> > Go play a Quake or Unreal game. You’d freak out at all of the different player models that you have to choose from. Different player models can work. How many Sci-Fi shooters out there are just human on human? It’s boring as -Yoink!-.
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> I don’t think you understand competitive game mechanics. It sounds like Halo isn’t the game you are looking for at all really in terms of what you describe.
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> I don’t play MLG but their core is the correct one, equal starting points with skill being the determining factor for victory. They have earned and given away millions in prize money and are a big success in E-Sports FPS.
Then go play mlg and let us enjoy being elites. Lol, Quake and Unreal aren’t competitive?
Does anyone actually have any palpable and veritable evidence that there is any significant effect on MM from the Elite’s presence in Halo 2 and 3?
Perhaps a few videos with moments showing us (somehow) irrefutable moments of when players have had their BR shots affected by it, thus telling us that they just didn’t have a bad aim at that particular moment and that they are fishing for excuses. (“Stupid lag, damn Hackers, bloody Dinos”, etc etc)
Or perhaps something more statistical. Play a few Spartan Vs Spartan matches with the BR, and then do the same with Spartan Vs Elites, and then with Elites Vs Elites. Then repeat those 3 groups, but this time with the assault rifle.
Spartan Vs Spartan is your control. On average, this should be 50:50. (Unless you are pitting nubs against pros, but this exists to spot that.) Elites Vs Elites should be the same. (Both sides would have “wonky hitboxes” so the effects should cancel) Spartan Vs Elite is what you are looking at. If the other two are roughly equal but this one appears skewed then you have an IMPLICATION.
The assault rifle games do not depend on headshots thus disregarding the hitbox issue. These should be 50:50 across the board. Otherwise, you have significant extraneous factors in addition to the apparent hitbox concern. If they are 50:50, as well as Elite Vs Elite BRs and Spartan Vs Spartan BRs being 50:50, but Elites Vs Spartans being skewed in favor of Elites, then you have a stronger implication. If there is nothing, then there is no issue and people are making excuses for their own shortcomings. Note that a significant difference would prove your point, not a trivial deviation of like 1 kill or something.
That is about as good as you can get in determining if there exists any issue. (Or as good as I can come up with at 6 in the morning, but I can’t see anything immediatly wrong with it. Well maybe one. It depends entirely on the integrity of the people doing the test; it is easy to fix results. Perhaps people who have never played the game before and could not care less about this silly debate could do it. Also, it would be time consuming…) There are far too many extraneous factors in normal MM for me to take these claims seriously.
But then again, after 5 years of Halo 3, surely someone would have tried out something like this to get to the root of the problem? I haven’t seen anything, after all these years. Just anecdotal evidence, which really isn’t evidence. Surely Bungie’s beta testing and internal tests would have shown up some sort of statistically significant difference in the outcome of playing as an Elite and a Spartan? And if it exists but ain’t significant, then people are b1tching over nothing in my opinion.
> But then they don’t look like Elites if you go changing basic physiology like posture. It didn’t work in H3 when they were apparently the same size so yeah this is the best outcome.
I’m not saying they have to stand completely straight, just a small adjustment, if the HBs aren’t fixed.
And the like I said the hitboxes were the main problem, and they can be fixed. (which means no anatomy changes)
Guys it’s impossible for Elites in MM with the addition of armor that effects gameplay. Sad but true.
> Does anyone actually have any palpable and veritable evidence that there is any significant effect on MM from the Elite’s presence in Halo 2 and 3?
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> Perhaps a few videos with moments showing us (somehow) irrefutable moments of when players have had their BR shots affected by it, thus telling us that they just didn’t have a bad aim at that particular moment and that they are fishing for excuses. (“Stupid lag, damn Hackers, bloody Dinos”, etc etc)
>
> Or perhaps something more statistical. Play a few Spartan Vs Spartan matches with the BR, and then do the same with Spartan Vs Elites, and then with Elites Vs Elites. Then repeat those 3 groups, but this time with the assault rifle.
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> Spartan Vs Spartan is your control. On average, this should be 50:50. (Unless you are pitting nubs against pros, but this exists to spot that.) Elites Vs Elites should be the same. (Both sides would have “wonky hitboxes” so the effects should cancel) Spartan Vs Elite is what you are looking at. If the other two are roughly equal but this one appears skewed then you have an IMPLICATION.
>
> The assault rifle games do not depend on headshots thus disregarding the hitbox issue. These should be 50:50 across the board. Otherwise, you have significant extraneous factors in addition to the apparent hitbox concern. If they are 50:50, as well as Elite Vs Elite BRs and Spartan Vs Spartan BRs being 50:50, but Elites Vs Spartans being skewed in favor of Elites, then you have a stronger implication. If there is nothing, then there is no issue and people are making excuses for their own shortcomings. Note that a significant difference would prove your point, not a trivial deviation of like 1 kill or something.
>
> That is about as good as you can get in determining if there exists any issue. (Or as good as I can come up with at 6 in the morning, but I can’t see anything immediatly wrong with it. Well maybe one. It depends entirely on the integrity of the people doing the test; it is easy to fix results. Perhaps people who have never played the game before and could not care less about this silly debate could do it. Also, it would be time consuming…) There are far too many extraneous factors in normal MM for me to take these claims seriously.
>
> But then again, after 5 years of Halo 3, surely someone would have tried out something like this to get to the root of the problem? I haven’t seen anything, after all these years. Just anecdotal evidence, which really isn’t evidence. Surely Bungie’s beta testing and internal tests would have shown up some sort of statistically significant difference in the outcome of playing as an Elite and a Spartan? And if it exists but ain’t significant, then people are b1tching over nothing in my opinion.
Honestly, I’m sure this small difference means nothing with all the other unbalanced stuff being added.
> Guys it’s impossible for Elites in MM with the addition of armor that effects gameplay. Sad but true.
Not necessarily. Sangheili armor could effect gameplay as well.
> > Guys it’s impossible for Elites in MM with the addition of armor that effects gameplay. Sad but true.
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> Not necessarily. Sangheili armor could effect gameplay as well.
Yeah, things could definitely be balanced out, if applied correctly.
Off Topic: To be honest though, we wouldn’t have this problem if all this extra stuff wasn’t being added.
I don’t mind a small addition here and there, but this is core changing stuff. 
Im sure that all of you have read this from the GI Magazine:
“Competitive MM focuses on the Spartan IVs. Elites will not be playable.”
343i made a statement earlier saying that they have noticed the demands of elites to be recognized in Halo 4 MM. They said that they have come up with a solution that would please everyone. Here are 2 possibilities, and one of these is likely to become reality in some form,
Possibility 1: Like halo3, halo4 MM will be divided into two sections: ranked and social. Elites will be allowed in A variation of social division of MM, a non competitive part of MM, leaving the Competitve or ranked MM for the spartans
Possibility 2: Elites will be playable in a highly improved custom games section of halo 4 where elite players as well as everyone else, can rank up like in MM. This allows elite players to play as elites without having to be forced to play as a spartan.
These are just ideas, and yes they have flaws, but one of these is likely to be used in halo 4. Post what you think about these below.
> 343i made a statement earlier saying that they have noticed the demands of elites to be recognized in Halo 4 MM. They said that they have come up with a solution that would please everyone.
Quote please?
Because this sounds important and would probably allay some of our concerns.
I think that some Elites want to be with the humans like Arby but some want to be against them, this could lead to elites fighting amongst each other and explain why elites are fighting each other, alongside humans and against them.
Ripa Xytranai, where did you see that statement from 343i? This is important.
I will find that statement this afternoon.
> Ripa Xytranai, where did you see that statement from 343i? This is important.
The one who made this topic, Avu Med Telcam, is my clan leader. He quoted the statement last week, and I will ask him so I can post it here, or maybe he will.
> > Ripa Xytranai, where did you see that statement from 343i? This is important.
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> The one who made this topic, Avu Med Telcam, is my clan leader. He quoted the statement last week, and I will ask him so I can post it here, or maybe he will.
Sorry to ruin the party, but that statement came from one of our member who “claimed” he had an early GI, so don’t refer to it, although 343 saying that they aim to please every fan is one thats supposedly confirmed.
But anyway, Frankie, I see you commenting on other threads, could you clear things up on this one so we can actually know for sure how elites will be affected in the h4 MM like you cleared up many other stuff like the random weapon spawn?
Did we lose at halo 4?
> Did we lose at halo 4?
Not yet, be patient
Great…we still have hope…and patience is something i will have
I am sorry I am just not a fan of the elites. I can’t stand elite slayer in Halo Reach. Elites in Halo 3 wasn’t terrible. If there is any reason I would like to see elites return would be strictly linked to people making machinima, other than that I wouldn’t care to have them back MM.