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> > > > > > > When it comes to balancing with Spartan Abilities, here’s what we can do. For credit, a lot of these ideas are inspired by this post.
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> > > > > > > - Thruster Pack – Evade From Halo Reach - Ground Pound – ? - Spartan Charge – A Powerful Kick or Maybe a Quick Dash with the Energy Daggers - Clamber – Stays the Same - Slide – Stays the Same - Smart Scope – Stays the Same - Stabilizer – ? - Sprint – Stays the Same - Switching Seats in Vehicles – Stays the Same - Chaining Abilities – Stays the Same
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> > > > > > Building upon this, what does everyone else think we can do to give Sangheili their own abilities?
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> > > > > I think some sort of lunge ability would be really cool, like some sort of pounce with energy swords.
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> > > > I think all the abilities should stay the same. It’s not like Sangheili can’t use thruster packs, they do have Rangers.
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> > > Yeah there’s Rangers, however it would be a little awkward to see an Elite Minor or even an Elite Honor Guard use the thruster ability.
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> > It just would downright not make sense.
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> Yeah, that would be weird. But, there is that evade which would fit. And it would be cool to see a lunge ability.
Well my list is just supposed to be stand-ins that mimic the Spartan Abilities that they stand in for. The lunge thing would be introducing a new ability.
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> > > > > > > > Hey! Let’s try to stay on topic guys! Playable Elites, start a new thread if you want to talk about the new design.
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> > > > > > > I supose you’re right, however this is the biggest thread on waypoint, so this where we realy can make our voices heard about elites, things like, how weak the HW2 elites look, (well, did look, until the enforcers arrived)
> > > > > > > Or about how ballistically -protectionwise- lacking the elites armour has been since H2A. And since we want playable elites, we want them as good as possible yes?
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> > > > > > I think the HW2 elites were smashing. They look like the H2A elites that represented them pretty well.
> > > > > > I’d like too see more of the BloodBlade elite’s armor in Halo, because that’s my favorite looking one I’ve seen, ever. (If you don’t know what I’m on about, it’s the one that was going to execute Atriox in his trailer)
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> > > > > > Also, I think it would be really interesting to see a ‘normal’ elite wearing zealot.
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> > > > > Well lucky you, that Executioner is getting his own story in the Rise of Atriox comic.
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> > > > Wow, I’ve only just seen your post. Thanks so much, dude! I’ll be sure to read the comic.
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> > > > Also I just want to say, good job lol. I cant even count how many contributions you’ve made to this thread!
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> > > Tbh I’ve only made like two as far as I know.
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> > Really? I thought I saw more than two posts…
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> Well I mean I’ve made a lot more than two posts on this thread the only two that I really think were contributions were the All Sangheili Combat Harnesses and Subspecies list and the Sangheili Combat Harnesses as REQs and Replacements for Spartan Abilities list.
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> > > > > > > > When it comes to balancing with Spartan Abilities, here’s what we can do. For credit, a lot of these ideas are inspired by this post.
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> > > > > > I think some sort of lunge ability would be really cool, like some sort of pounce with energy swords.
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> > > > > I think all the abilities should stay the same. It’s not like Sangheili can’t use thruster packs, they do have Rangers.
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> > > > Yeah there’s Rangers, however it would be a little awkward to see an Elite Minor or even an Elite Honor Guard use the thruster ability.
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> > > It just would downright not make sense.
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> > Yeah, that would be weird. But, there is that evade which would fit. And it would be cool to see a lunge ability.
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> Well my list is just supposed to be stand-ins that mimic the Spartan Abilities that they stand in for. The lunge thing would be introducing a new ability.
It would be new, but there’s really nothing else that would be able to fit an Elite’s version of the ground pound ability.
Simply Ground Pound itself except the player must have the higher ground and jump straight on the target, the actual attack could be triggered by a melee when close enough and with enough falling speed.
Overall it’s faster to engage but a bit more tricky to pull out.
EDIT : also I guess Spartans can’t move shortly after hitting the ground, Elites wouldn’t have that issue since failing to perform a ground pound would just result in a melee being thrown in the air, they wouldn’t have an area of effect either, it’s a kill or nothing at all.
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> Well, I appreciate a Grunt that can appreciate their Elite. You make me proud. But anyway lmao, I’m thinking that if they bring on the Reach design, which accurately makes them bigger than the Spartans, they can just increase their speed and health and leave the shields the same.
It’s a good excuse of mine since I can leave Elites without problem and it fits my playstyle a lot, also my future on Halo is over for me I think.
I don’t know if the health is actually better than Spartans in Reach, the HUD shows 4 squares but that’s all and if they are stronger it’s too small to make a difference.
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> I don’t know if the health is actually better than Spartans in Reach, the HUD shows 4 squares but that’s all and if they are stronger it’s too small to make a difference.
In Halo Reach Elites have slightly more shields. Takes like 2 extra shots to kill them from Hip Fire. Head shots are same as a Spartans. Health is the same as a Spartans.
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> > I don’t know if the health is actually better than Spartans in Reach, the HUD shows 4 squares but that’s all and if they are stronger it’s too small to make a difference.
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> In Halo Reach Elites have slightly more shields. Takes like 2 extra shots to kill them from Hip Fire. Head shots are same as a Spartans. Health is the same as a Spartans.
But they had a much larger hitbox, meaning they were easier to pop in the head with the DMR
even though that 5th shot to drop the shields was a tad annoying compared to a Spartan’s 4 shots to drop the shields.
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> > > I don’t know if the health is actually better than Spartans in Reach, the HUD shows 4 squares but that’s all and if they are stronger it’s too small to make a difference.
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> > In Halo Reach Elites have slightly more shields. Takes like 2 extra shots to kill them from Hip Fire. Head shots are same as a Spartans. Health is the same as a Spartans.
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> But they had a much larger hitbox, meaning they were easier to pop in the head with the DMR
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> even though that 5th shot to drop the shields was a tad annoying compared to a Spartan’s 4 shots to drop the shields.
I Never thought it was easier to get headshots. And even if so you forget elites have one advantage over Spartans. You can’t really headshot them well from behind. Elite Models where bigger yes and the body had a larger hitbox, but literally everything that tied to 2 shots or instant kills on a player was the same on a elites. Literally this hitboxes of the head of an elite is the same. Unless you consider the next. Which is counted as a body shot in Halo Reach. Hence why You can’t kill them from behind easily.
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> > > I don’t know if the health is actually better than Spartans in Reach, the HUD shows 4 squares but that’s all and if they are stronger it’s too small to make a difference.
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> > In Halo Reach Elites have slightly more shields. Takes like 2 extra shots to kill them from Hip Fire. Head shots are same as a Spartans. Health is the same as a Spartans.
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> But they had a much larger hitbox, meaning they were easier to pop in the head with the DMR
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> even though that 5th shot to drop the shields was a tad annoying compared to a Spartan’s 4 shots to drop the shields.
No one here cares about a dang hitbox on a player model.
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> > > > I don’t know if the health is actually better than Spartans in Reach, the HUD shows 4 squares but that’s all and if they are stronger it’s too small to make a difference.
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> > > In Halo Reach Elites have slightly more shields. Takes like 2 extra shots to kill them from Hip Fire. Head shots are same as a Spartans. Health is the same as a Spartans.
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> > But they had a much larger hitbox, meaning they were easier to pop in the head with the DMR
> > even though that 5th shot to drop the shields was a tad annoying compared to a Spartan’s 4 shots to drop the shields.
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> I Never thought it was easier to get headshots. And even if so you forget elites have one advantage over Spartans. You can’t really headshot them well from behind. Elite Models where bigger yes and the body had a larger hitbox, but literally everything that tied to 2 shots or instant kills on a player was the same on a elites. Literally this hitboxes of the head of an elite is the same. Unless you consider the next. Which is counted as a body shot in Halo Reach. Hence why You can’t kill them from behind easily.
Reach was weird about balancing Elites and Spartans. They just kind of decided to have fun with the differences I guess, since Elites were never intended to be mixed in to standard multiplayer. But yes, if you play enough Elite/Spartan stuff you will find Elite heads are very much easier to hit to the point where it’s tempting to just ignore the Spartans. Especially sniping… you go from a huge Elite head that you can’t miss to a beady little Spartan head… You get the point, and yes it is noticeably harder to hit Elites in the head from the back which a pain if they are running away, although this isn’t exactly that useful like most of the Elites’ differences. For some additional changes, Elites ran faster (although not with Sprint), they couldn’t grab health packs but their health would fully regenerate health unlike Spartans who would only regenerate to certain points (like vehicles which nobody seems to be aware of, but that’s another point entirely), and of course as was just mentioned their shields were slightly stronger and could take an extra shot with most standard weapons (health was the same despite the weird HUD differences). Oh, and I guess Elites had that subtle “shoot here” indicator with most Covenant weapons that I can’t imagine many people gave much thought to.
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> What’s funny is 343 did Halo Reaches Multiplayer. Which means they know how to balance Elites. But they’re to busy kissing the CoD kids rear end.
I wouldn’t say they fully did Reach’s multiplayer unless you are aware of something I am not, but 343 did certainly save it with their TU stuff. Now if only they had applied it to more than half the playlists and not left out Team Slayer…
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> What’s funny is 343 did Halo Reaches Multiplayer. Which means they know how to balance Elites. But they’re to busy kissing the CoD kids rear end.
343 didn’t make reach, they just made a few remake maps and an update or two.
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> > > > I don’t know if the health is actually better than Spartans in Reach, the HUD shows 4 squares but that’s all and if they are stronger it’s too small to make a difference.
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> > > In Halo Reach Elites have slightly more shields. Takes like 2 extra shots to kill them from Hip Fire. Head shots are same as a Spartans. Health is the same as a Spartans.
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> > But they had a much larger hitbox, meaning they were easier to pop in the head with the DMR
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> No one here cares about a dang hitbox on a player model.
Won’t get them involved in standard play with that thinking. Why add something that gives an advantage or disadvantage? Hitboxes is also one of the most brought up things when mentioning the inclusion of elites, so clearly people care.
Looking ahead, Halo 6 will probably feature the playable elites. The Act Man released a video about a month ago on Halo 6 predictions, and I think he and Renn’s Reviews were correct when they said that Halo 6 is 343i’s last chance to make a successful game. I believe 343i knows that, so they will probably do all that they can to stay alive. That probably means including elites, removing Spartan Charge, etc.
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> Looking ahead, Halo 6 will probably feature the playable elites. The Act Man released a video about a month ago on Halo 6 predictions, and I think he and Renn’s Reviews were correct when they said that Halo 6 is 343i’s last chance to make a successful game. I believe 343i knows that, so they will probably do all that they can to stay alive. That probably means including elites, removing Spartan Charu could have made a thread on your own ABOUT THIS CAUSE THIS IS SUPER OLD
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> > Looking ahead, Halo 6 will probably feature the playable elites. The Act Man released a video about a month ago on Halo 6 predictions, and I think he and Renn’s Reviews were correct when they said that Halo 6 is 343i’s last chance to make a successful game. I believe 343i knows that, so they will probably do all that they can to stay alive. That probably means including elites, removing Spartan Charu could have made a thread on your own ABOUT THIS CAUSE THIS IS SUPER OLD
Even if it’s old, it’s still relevant to the forum. He contributed, so it’s perfectly fine, lol. I’m thinking 343 is hearing how badly fans want playable Elites. They announced the reintroduction of splitscreen, which (in my opinion) was requested just as much as playable Elites. I’m sure 343 will eventually give an acknowledgement of the famous feedback later down the road, probably when Halo 6 gets its first official announcement.
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> > I know I’m beating a dead horse, but playable elites would be incredible in halo 6! But I don’t think it should be exactly like reach. Maybe a Warzone hybrid with it?
> > Also firefight could Ben incorporated, like in the reach customs firefight.
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> Nah it’s alright, lol. And when we bring up Reach, it’s not necessarily the game modes we mean, we’re discussing the preferable design for Elites in the next installment. As far as the Reach firefight, I would love that in Halo 6.
I loved how Reach did the Elite designs, but I would prefer a Halo 2: Anniversary style elite.
I did like how each different Elite class in Halo: Reach were noticeably different, not just by color, but also by armor type. This wasn’t noticeable in Halo: CE - Halo: 3, so a hybrid of the Halo: 2 Anniversary art style and the Reach extra armor would be amazing.
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> > > I know I’m beating a dead horse, but playable elites would be incredible in halo 6! But I don’t think it should be exactly like reach. Maybe a Warzone hybrid with it?
> > > Also firefight could Ben incorporated, like in the reach customs firefight.
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> > Nah it’s alright, lol. And when we bring up Reach, it’s not necessarily the game modes we mean, we’re discussing the preferable design for Elites in the next installment. As far as the Reach firefight, I would love that in Halo 6.
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> I loved how Reach did the Elite designs, but I would prefer a Halo 2: Anniversary style elite.
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> I did like how each different Elite class in Halo: Reach were noticeably different, not just by color, but also by armor type. This wasn’t noticeable in Halo: CE - Halo: 3, so a hybrid of the Halo: 2 Anniversary art style and the Reach extra armor would be amazing.
Of course we’d all prefer that art style, but we’re also taking Reach into consideration. My personal preference for playable Elites would go down like this, and brace yourself lmao: Of course, the Elites would have the H2A design, however they need bigger toes. Like, Reach style. Since they’re quite a bit bigger than Spartans, it would make sense that they have larger hitboxes, so simply increase health and speed to give is Elites a fair shake. The Elites need fair customization. When I say that, I mean they deserve the same range of customization options that the Spartans had in Reach instead of just changing out whole armor sets, so we’d be able to change out heads, shoulders, torsos, legs, and forearms. Playable Elites should OBVIOUSLY have their own unique assassinations, but I’m thinking they should get this one exclusive ability. Dual wielding energy swords. Elite fans like myself would lose their minds if we were to get that option. It wouldn’t increase damage, just the “fire rate”, so to speak. Last, but not least, though this is probably asking for the most lmao, let’s get some female Elites in here. We’ve only heard one in Halo 5, so let the female Elite lovers play as their gender, why not? :).
I agree. Elite model in halo 2 anniversary(Campaign only) would be perfect. FULL ARMOR CUSTOMIZATION. And please dont forget to include the Heretic Elites Armor, I mean dont even spare 1 kind of armor/helmet/gauntlet/boots/shoulder pads etc design bungie and 343 made. Personally i think 343 can even include the “Spade” helmet of the elites in Halo CE. But please dont make them too big like in H4 or H5. theyre size in H2A is perfect for PVP since theyre almost the same size as a spartan.
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> I agree. Elite model in halo 2 anniversary(Campaign only) would be perfect. FULL ARMOR CUSTOMIZATION. And please dont forget to include the Heretic Elites Armor, I mean dont even spare 1 kind of armor/helmet/gauntlet/boots/shoulder pads etc design bungie and 343 made. Personally i think 343 can even include the “Spade” helmet of the elites in Halo CE. But please dont make them too big like in H4 or H5. theyre size in H2A is perfect for PVP since theyre almost the same size as a spartan.
Yeah, the Elites weren’t too much taller than the Spartans, it was good. The funny thing is that I actually posted that a Heretic armor set would be dope in Halo 6 lmao.
