Sangheili (Elites) In New Trilogy Matchmaking (Part 1)

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > > > > > Seeing how our neighboring communities are rejoicing over split-screen and black undersuits returning in future halos, this gives me hope that 343 also has something in store for us!
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> > > > > > Ji kri wort skritz ji naion! Ib Sanghelios!
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> > > > > I doubt they will care. To me it seems like 343 only pleases the fans they want to please. As for me, I am done. These forums aren’t gonna do jack to further anything on this subject.
> > > >
> > > > Clearly you have not been on this thread for long, which is evident through the fact that not only was this your first post on this thread (at least on the account you’re using), but also through the fact that it has been stated before that many 343 employees want to bring back playable Sangheili. Also, Halo 2 Anniversary’s multiplayer, which came out between the creation of this thread and now, included playable Sangheili. This means they have acknowledged this side of the community after noticing us.
> > >
> > > Then why is it that they still chose to leave them out of the main game series? And the only reason they are in the MCC is because they are bungie games and were there from the start and taking them away from the anniversary suite would have been a dumb move. I may not have experience in this thread but I will still harbor that hatred for 343 for taking them away with the start of Halo 4. Until they are confirmed to return I will not change my feelings about that, I am a sangheili through and through and I love to fight along side our spartan allies.
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> > We all love the Sangheili here, but I don’t hate 343. They try their best. If I’m correctly informed, Microsoft had specifically told 343 NOT to focus on playable Sangheili and more on competitive gameplay. I hate that they did that, but I still don’t hate Microsoft.
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> What of h4? Had no competitive bone to it, and if you look at the pro scene you’ll see they aren’t even happy with how 343/Microsoft handled it. I just can’t see any reason why or how Esports effects the inclusion/exclusion of playable elites among many other things people blame Esports for.
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> > > > > > > Seeing how our neighboring communities are rejoicing over split-screen and black undersuits returning in future halos, this gives me hope that 343 also has something in store for us!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ji kri wort skritz ji naion! Ib Sanghelios!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I doubt they will care. To me it seems like 343 only pleases the fans they want to please. As for me, I am done. These forums aren’t gonna do jack to further anything on this subject.
> > > > >
> > > > > Clearly you have not been on this thread for long, which is evident through the fact that not only was this your first post on this thread (at least on the account you’re using), but also through the fact that it has been stated before that many 343 employees want to bring back playable Sangheili. Also, Halo 2 Anniversary’s multiplayer, which came out between the creation of this thread and now, included playable Sangheili. This means they have acknowledged this side of the community after noticing us.
> > > >
> > > > Then why is it that they still chose to leave them out of the main game series? And the only reason they are in the MCC is because they are bungie games and were there from the start and taking them away from the anniversary suite would have been a dumb move. I may not have experience in this thread but I will still harbor that hatred for 343 for taking them away with the start of Halo 4. Until they are confirmed to return I will not change my feelings about that, I am a sangheili through and through and I love to fight along side our spartan allies.
> > >
> > > We all love the Sangheili here, but I don’t hate 343. They try their best. If I’m correctly informed, Microsoft had specifically told 343 NOT to focus on playable Sangheili and more on competitive gameplay. I hate that they did that, but I still don’t hate Microsoft.
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> > Like I have once said the people who play competitively and esports should not be taken as seriously as they are. There are a lot more people who play halo just to have a good time, not to get all uber mlg godmode 1080 no scope.
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> dont see a reason why, what would you do for a competitive halo if you ran it?

There is nothing wrong with competitive play, but unfortunately the finger gets pointed to them when things like this happen. As it stands the radical comp players tend to be the ones to boycott any idea they see as a hindrance to their matches… This would include Duel wielding, split screen, Playable Elites, Etc…

Also a lot of the people that want things like duel wielding, splitscreen Elites, Etc… tend to stay quite about it. Not to mention a lot of people have left over the last few years. This causes those who stay to keep the majority vote, even if undeserved.

The addition of splitscreen to future titles was a slap in the face to those who boycott, they need to see it’s not their game, but all of ours game. As one of the Founding Fathers of America said…

> “All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression.” (Thomas Jefferson Inaugural speech)

We all have a voice, great or small, and nobody should be left behind.

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> > > > > > > Seeing how our neighboring communities are rejoicing over split-screen and black undersuits returning in future halos, this gives me hope that 343 also has something in store for us!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ji kri wort skritz ji naion! Ib Sanghelios!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I doubt they will care. To me it seems like 343 only pleases the fans they want to please. As for me, I am done. These forums aren’t gonna do jack to further anything on this subject.
> > > > >
> > > > > Clearly you have not been on this thread for long, which is evident through the fact that not only was this your first post on this thread (at least on the account you’re using), but also through the fact that it has been stated before that many 343 employees want to bring back playable Sangheili. Also, Halo 2 Anniversary’s multiplayer, which came out between the creation of this thread and now, included playable Sangheili. This means they have acknowledged this side of the community after noticing us.
> > > >
> > > > Then why is it that they still chose to leave them out of the main game series? And the only reason they are in the MCC is because they are bungie games and were there from the start and taking them away from the anniversary suite would have been a dumb move. I may not have experience in this thread but I will still harbor that hatred for 343 for taking them away with the start of Halo 4. Until they are confirmed to return I will not change my feelings about that, I am a sangheili through and through and I love to fight along side our spartan allies.
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> > > We all love the Sangheili here, but I don’t hate 343. They try their best. If I’m correctly informed, Microsoft had specifically told 343 NOT to focus on playable Sangheili and more on competitive gameplay. I hate that they did that, but I still don’t hate Microsoft.
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> > What of h4? Had no competitive bone to it, and if you look at the pro scene you’ll see they aren’t even happy with how 343/Microsoft handled it. I just can’t see any reason why or how Esports effects the inclusion/exclusion of playable elites among many other things people blame Esports for.
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> > > > > > > > Seeing how our neighboring communities are rejoicing over split-screen and black undersuits returning in future halos, this gives me hope that 343 also has something in store for us!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ji kri wort skritz ji naion! Ib Sanghelios!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I doubt they will care. To me it seems like 343 only pleases the fans they want to please. As for me, I am done. These forums aren’t gonna do jack to further anything on this subject.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Clearly you have not been on this thread for long, which is evident through the fact that not only was this your first post on this thread (at least on the account you’re using), but also through the fact that it has been stated before that many 343 employees want to bring back playable Sangheili. Also, Halo 2 Anniversary’s multiplayer, which came out between the creation of this thread and now, included playable Sangheili. This means they have acknowledged this side of the community after noticing us.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then why is it that they still chose to leave them out of the main game series? And the only reason they are in the MCC is because they are bungie games and were there from the start and taking them away from the anniversary suite would have been a dumb move. I may not have experience in this thread but I will still harbor that hatred for 343 for taking them away with the start of Halo 4. Until they are confirmed to return I will not change my feelings about that, I am a sangheili through and through and I love to fight along side our spartan allies.
> > > >
> > > > We all love the Sangheili here, but I don’t hate 343. They try their best. If I’m correctly informed, Microsoft had specifically told 343 NOT to focus on playable Sangheili and more on competitive gameplay. I hate that they did that, but I still don’t hate Microsoft.
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> > > Like I have once said the people who play competitively and esports should not be taken as seriously as they are. There are a lot more people who play halo just to have a good time, not to get all uber mlg godmode 1080 no scope.
> >
> > dont see a reason why, what would you do for a competitive halo if you ran it?
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> There is nothing wrong with competitive play, but unfortunately the finger gets pointed to them when things like this happen. As it stands the radical comp players tend to be the ones to boycott any idea they see as a hindrance to their matches… This would include Duel wielding, split screen, Playable Elites, Etc…
>
> Also a lot of the people that want things like duel wielding, splitscreen Elites, Etc… tend to stay quite about it. Not to mention a lot of people have left over the last few years. This causes those who stay to keep the majority vote, even if undeserved.
>
> The addition of splitscreen to future titles was a slap in the face to those who boycott, they need to see it’s not their game, but all of ours game. As one of the Founding Fathers of America said…
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> > “All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression.” (Thomas Jefferson Inaugural speech)
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> We all have a voice, great or small, and nobody should be left behind.

Yes indeed, I honestly have no encouraging words to say (that’s not a bad thing) but I have not kept quiet, I contacted 3 of 343’s developers on Xbox live and one refused to speak, the other said they would answer my question, but then ignored me. And the last one…

The Last one told me the exact same thing you did, boycotts, the very competitive side of Halo is what matters most to them, they do whatever they can to make sure it’s a smooth ride for them.

I have their GamerTags.

The best part is that, since the competitive teams are so close to 343s’ shoulder, they have a say on what goes, and what stays. Because of this, guaranteed they are trying to prevent things that may hinder their performance.

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> > > > > > > Seeing how our neighboring communities are rejoicing over split-screen and black undersuits returning in future halos, this gives me hope that 343 also has something in store for us!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ji kri wort skritz ji naion! Ib Sanghelios!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I doubt they will care. To me it seems like 343 only pleases the fans they want to please. As for me, I am done. These forums aren’t gonna do jack to further anything on this subject.
> > > > >
> > > > > Clearly you have not been on this thread for long, which is evident through the fact that not only was this your first post on this thread (at least on the account you’re using), but also through the fact that it has been stated before that many 343 employees want to bring back playable Sangheili. Also, Halo 2 Anniversary’s multiplayer, which came out between the creation of this thread and now, included playable Sangheili. This means they have acknowledged this side of the community after noticing us.
> > > >
> > > > Then why is it that they still chose to leave them out of the main game series? And the only reason they are in the MCC is because they are bungie games and were there from the start and taking them away from the anniversary suite would have been a dumb move. I may not have experience in this thread but I will still harbor that hatred for 343 for taking them away with the start of Halo 4. Until they are confirmed to return I will not change my feelings about that, I am a sangheili through and through and I love to fight along side our spartan allies.
>
> There is nothing wrong with competitive play, but unfortunately the finger gets pointed to them when things like this happen. As it stands the radical comp players tend to be the ones to boycott any idea they see as a hindrance to their matches… This would include Duel wielding, split screen, Playable Elites, Etc…
>
> Also a lot of the people that want things like duel wielding, splitscreen Elites, Etc… tend to stay quite about it. Not to mention a lot of people have left over the last few years. This causes those who stay to keep the majority vote, even if undeserved.
>
> The addition of splitscreen to future titles was a slap in the face to those who boycott, they need to see it’s not their game, but all of ours game. As one of the Founding Fathers of America said…
>
>
> > “All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression.” (Thomas Jefferson Inaugural speech)
>
> We all have a voice, great or small, and nobody should be left behind.

at first paragraph: being vs playable elites, split screen, sprint, diel wielding isn’t solely on the competitive community (keep in mind I said competitive community and not the pro scene as the competitive community is much larger than what many like to think, I am part of said community). Your average gamer can very easily dislike whatever feature if they look into it deep enough to understand why they dislike it. You can find links to pro players saying they enjoy the story, the fun custom games among many other things, I see it asanine when people act like they’re the ones wanting stuff removed and such when it’s actuallly the opposite(note I’m not saying you in specific but more towards people in general). When it comes to the competitive community, they only want/need one playlist built for them while the rest of the game can be made however the rest of the community sees fit.

at second paragraph: what are we defining as an “undeserved”? Duel wielding caused gameplay issues and broke a core philosophy of halo, that would be reason enough to scrap it. Split screen was scrapped because Microsoft saw it as a feature that was unneeded (because so many people have their own console now compared to the original Xbox days)in this age only to now be admitting their wrong doing. For playable elites: we’ve never been given a clear cut reason as to why they were removed(correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve never seen 343 give a specific reason to why they aren’t included). Could be lack of interest for the devs to do it, fan base majority opposing it, lack of time+resources, we don’t know in the end and with that I find it wrong for people to blame the competitive community for its exclusion, especially when there are many work arounds to restrict it from effecting them while letting those who want them have them.

at 3rd paragraph: what do you mean those who boycott split screen? I don’t recall anyone saying they wouldn’t buy a game if it had splitscreen, I did see the opposite tho where people boycott it due to the lack of split screen which I see justified being how it was in recent games. You’ll also see me in full agreement that halo is everyone’s game and one that should be trying to find a balance for everyone, however with the way 343 do things, a balance will be hard to find because 343 tries to sit in the middle to much which in turn results in poor design setups (like the radar as one example, 343 shortens it for those who wanted it gone completely but still kept it fur those wanting it, that middle ground stance then had the consequences of -Yoink!- both sides as radar was still in place but also less effective for those who wanted it. Rather than doing that, 343 should’ve made team arena a radarless mode while keeping it in its original range in everything else as that’s what bungie did.)

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> > > > > > > > Seeing how our neighboring communities are rejoicing over split-screen and black undersuits returning in future halos, this gives me hope that 343 also has something in store for us!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ji kri wort skritz ji naion! Ib Sanghelios!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I doubt they will care. To me it seems like 343 only pleases the fans they want to please. As for me, I am done. These forums aren’t gonna do jack to further anything on this subject.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Clearly you have not been on this thread for long, which is evident through the fact that not only was this your first post on this thread (at least on the account you’re using), but also through the fact that it has been stated before that many 343 employees want to bring back playable Sangheili. Also, Halo 2 Anniversary’s multiplayer, which came out between the creation of this thread and now, included playable Sangheili. This means they have acknowledged this side of the community after noticing us.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then why is it that they still chose to leave them out of the main game series? And the only reason they are in the MCC is because they are bungie games and were there from the start and taking them away from the anniversary suite would have been a dumb move. I may not have experience in this thread but I will still harbor that hatred for 343 for taking them away with the start of Halo 4. Until they are confirmed to return I will not change my feelings about that, I am a sangheili through and through and I love to fight along side our spartan allies.
> >
> > There is nothing wrong with competitive play, but unfortunately the finger gets pointed to them when things like this happen. As it stands the radical comp players tend to be the ones to boycott any idea they see as a hindrance to their matches… This would include Duel wielding, split screen, Playable Elites, Etc…
> >
> > Also a lot of the people that want things like duel wielding, splitscreen Elites, Etc… tend to stay quite about it. Not to mention a lot of people have left over the last few years. This causes those who stay to keep the majority vote, even if undeserved.
> >
> > The addition of splitscreen to future titles was a slap in the face to those who boycott, they need to see it’s not their game, but all of ours game. As one of the Founding Fathers of America said…
> >
> >
> > > “All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression.” (Thomas Jefferson Inaugural speech)
> >
> > We all have a voice, great or small, and nobody should be left behind.
>
> at first paragraph: being vs playable elites, split screen, sprint, diel wielding isn’t solely on the competitive community (keep in mind I said competitive community and not the pro scene as the competitive community is much larger than what many like to think, I am part of said community). Your average gamer can very easily dislike whatever feature if they look into it deep enough to understand why they dislike it. You can find links to pro players saying they enjoy the story, the fun custom games among many other things, I see it asanine when people act like they’re the ones wanting stuff removed and such when it’s actuallly the opposite(note I’m not saying you in specific but more towards people in general). When it comes to the competitive community, they only want/need one playlist built for them while the rest of the game can be made however the rest of the community sees fit.
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> at second paragraph: what are we defining as an “undeserved”? Duel wielding caused gameplay issues and broke a core philosophy of halo, that would be reason enough to scrap it. Split screen was scrapped because Microsoft saw it as a feature that was unneeded (because so many people have their own console now compared to the original Xbox days)in this age only to now be admitting their wrong doing. For playable elites: we’ve never been given a clear cut reason as to why they were removed(correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve never seen 343 give a specific reason to why they aren’t included). Could be lack of interest for the devs to do it, fan base majority opposing it, lack of time+resources, we don’t know in the end and with that I find it wrong for people to blame the competitive community for its exclusion, especially when there are many work arounds to restrict it from effecting them while letting those who want them have them.
>
> at 3rd paragraph: what do you mean those who boycott split screen? I don’t recall anyone saying they wouldn’t buy a game if it had splitscreen, I did see the opposite tho where people boycott it due to the lack of split screen which I see justified being how it was in recent games. You’ll also see me in full agreement that halo is everyone’s game and one that should be trying to find a balance for everyone, however with the way 343 do things, a balance will be hard to find because 343 tries to sit in the middle to much which in turn results in poor design setups (like the radar as one example, 343 shortens it for those who wanted it gone completely but still kept it fur those wanting it, that middle ground stance then had the consequences of -Yoink!- both sides as radar was still in place but also less effective for those who wanted it. Rather than doing that, 343 should’ve made team arena a radarless mode while keeping it in its original range in everything else as that’s what bungie did.)

As for the boycotting splitscreen, perhaps that was the wrong word. However I did see many people say they where better off getting rid of it. When I said it was a slap to them I ment it shows that they arn’t the ones makeing the final call for everyone. It all boils down the radical veiw points, as you mentioned staying in the middle may be tough, and may end in even further frustration, but it is what’s needed.

Sorry I can’t respond more than that about this, I’m reading on my phone and finding it hard to keep track of everything.

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> > > > > > Seeing how our neighboring communities are rejoicing over split-screen and black undersuits returning in future halos, this gives me hope that 343 also has something in store for us!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ji kri wort skritz ji naion! Ib Sanghelios!
> > > > >
> > > > > I doubt they will care. To me it seems like 343 only pleases the fans they want to please. As for me, I am done. These forums aren’t gonna do jack to further anything on this subject.
> > > >
> > > > Clearly you have not been on this thread for long, which is evident through the fact that not only was this your first post on this thread (at least on the account you’re using), but also through the fact that it has been stated before that many 343 employees want to bring back playable Sangheili. Also, Halo 2 Anniversary’s multiplayer, which came out between the creation of this thread and now, included playable Sangheili. This means they have acknowledged this side of the community after noticing us.
> > >
> > > Then why is it that they still chose to leave them out of the main game series? And the only reason they are in the MCC is because they are bungie games and were there from the start and taking them away from the anniversary suite would have been a dumb move. I may not have experience in this thread but I will still harbor that hatred for 343 for taking them away with the start of Halo 4. Until they are confirmed to return I will not change my feelings about that, I am a sangheili through and through and I love to fight along side our spartan allies.
> >
> > We all love the Sangheili here, but I don’t hate 343. They try their best. If I’m correctly informed, Microsoft had specifically told 343 NOT to focus on playable Sangheili and more on competitive gameplay. I hate that they did that, but I still don’t hate Microsoft.
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> Indeed, but I do. What Microsoft says goes, and it’s that exact reason that Sangheili aren’t playable and are being shown less and less respect as the series goes on. I love the Halo universe, and I care about the Sangheili just as much as all of you. I understand now that it’s not so much 343’s fault, but more Microsoft. Microsoft tells them what to do, and how to do it, I for one despise Microsoft because of this.
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> The word you hear the most in Halo 5 Guardians is spartan.
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> Thanks spartan
> Spartans?
> I need help spartan
> What the h*** are Spartans doing here?
> Omg a spartan!
> Spartans move!
> On your feet spartan
> Thanks for the help spartan
> I know who you are spartan
> Spartan, spartan, spartan!
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> It’s clear to me that these ‘spartans’ are both 343’s and Microsofts main focus.
>
> I also agree that if it was up to 343, they would have taken Elites out of Halo 2 anniversary, guaranteed. The only reason they were in it is because it was a Remaster, and it was previously Bungies game.

There are actually a few glitches i found with the Elites. The crouch for them has a bit of delay.

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I think that, while Elites are awesome and fun, the height differentials between the species have never been portrayed well. Drones, jackals, and grunts are all roughly 6ft. high. Spartans are 6-8ft. tall. Elites are 7-9ft., and Brutes are 9-10 ft. These varying heights make it hard to match up Elites and Spartans equally in multiplayer. However, a set of all-Elite playlists is still feasible for H6, especially with Thel’s return in H5.

A properly height-balanced campaign would be awesome. Imagine having to look up just to see the shoulders of a brute! Spartans have always been portrayed as literally larger-than-life (except maybe Reach), and it kinda sucks. Just a little.

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> I think that, while Elites are awesome and fun, the height differentials between the species have never been portrayed well. Drones, jackals, and grunts are all roughly 6ft. high. Spartans are 6-8ft. tall. Elites are 7-9ft., and Brutes are 9-10 ft. These varying heights make it hard to match up Elites and Spartans equally in multiplayer. However, a set of all-Elite playlists is still feasible for H6, especially with Thel’s return in H5.
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> A properly height-balanced campaign would be awesome. Imagine having to look up just to see the shoulders of a brute! Spartans have always been portrayed as literally larger-than-life (except maybe Reach), and it kinda sucks. Just a little.

Elites are not 7-9 feet tall. The tallest Sangheili recorded was Xytan 'Jar Wattinree. The design 343 has is stupid and it gives them an excuse not to put them in. Spartans II’s were 7-8 ft tall. Almost the same height, or at the same height as Elites. Whenever they stand straight up, they are slightly taller. Elites heigh was fixed in Halo 2 and Halo 3, which they were in a Combat stance.

One of the biggest things I hate hearing is, “they’re to tall, to big.” None of us care who want to play as them. It’s our play style. If 343 wouldn’t make them so fat and brute like, and more slim like Bungie’s design or H2A, they’d actually look like elites.

Edit: The reason why elites are bigger now cause the Spartan IV’s are small. It’s a fact shown at the end of Halo 4 and Chief towers over them.

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> > > That’s quite silly to say, considering the fact that Bungie changed the subspecies you see quite a few time themselves.
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> > No, he is essentially correct. Bungie never said the subspecies/phenotype changed between games and it was simply accepted that the art style changed. They were the same Elites.
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> I’m not talking about just the games.

First of all Halo Legends being a 343 project renders that point moot since it was still on them, and Legends was annoyingly questionable canon-wise at times anyway.

The graphic novel picture is no different from the changes between Bungie’s games; it is a different artist’s interpretation of generic Elites and nowhere in there does it go on a tangent about different Elite phenotypes.

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> > I have to check twitter, but more than one fb fan page said that Bonnie confirmed today that all following Halos would have splitscreen, if true, I think this is the right moment to aboard the devs on their social media, if we wait to see a trailer or beta theyll likely would come with the classic “we did’t have enough time/ resources”.
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> You are one of three people I have ever seen with that profile picture. There’s me, there’s you, and Pete2DSM2.

I thinkt thats due the websites update, I haven`t check recently, but I remember that many of the images aviable prior to the update were gone after it.

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> > > > > > > I hope whoever sees this will put there opinion and maybe want this as well. In the next Halo game, I think we should get the option to change which subspecies we are if Sangheili return to multiplayer. So if someone is a fan of the Halo 2 Anniversary design, or the Halo 4-5 design. They can play as either one.
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> > > > > > > One is slightly slimmer and has their own armor set, the others are a little bigger with their own armor set.
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> > > > > > > (What I hope to see, in the next game for an opening scene. The Chief and the Arbiter in a Phantom together, ready to drop in and fight side by side once more.)
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> > > > > > I don’t think nor see 343 ever doing that. It’d be to much of a head ache (especially if they’re not even going to do just one model) as that requires them to work out multiple models.
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> > > > > We’ll both Creative Assembly and 343 worked on Halo Wars 2, and I’m sure both teams discussed the art style for that game. Also, if it isn’t clear by now old art styles are going to come back anyways in the next game.
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> > > > > Cortana has control over everything, and the UNSC and Swords of Sanghelios won’t be able to make new armor or weapons, so they will have to use old stuff.
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> > > > > As seen in Halo 5’s Multiplayer, the old Helmets even a Spartan II Helmet has to be used cause of low resources.
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> > > > > Edit: The reason why the Arbiters Halo 2 design wasn’t in, was because they didn’t have the time.
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> > > > Do you think 343 will work with another group for a main title though?
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> > > > what are you on about with the rest of your response? Remakes were used because people wanted them and they’re simple armor pieces, they’re far from having to remake multiple character models and making those models work and perform in gameplay. If 343 goes by lore all I can do is shake my head cuz lore should not dictate multiplayer like it already has.
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> > > > @your edit: ultimately I could care less if 343 had time or not, bungies games were always rushed and had to cut stuff yet they were still able to add many things (like playable elites). 343 missed out on h4 and now h6, will you continue to accept it in h6 when they keep saying they had no time?
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> > > I’m not saying make the Multiplayer more Lore like. Also why do people like you always start an argument or discussion whenever I ask a question. The question being does anyone else want the option to be able to change from one elite design to another in Multiplayer. I didn’t nee you to turn this into a debate or whatever it is now.
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> > > A YouTuber got the attention of a 343 employee and made a video talking about the old art style should return. The Classic helmet pack is a sign of old armors returning to Halo. The Mark V we got in that pack was worn by Spartan II’s and are now being used by Spartan IV’s. And since Halo Wars 2 is now out, and has both the new and old art designs, with positive comments on it we might see old and new art styles come back in the next game.
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> > > The H2A Design is update from Bungies, and they are a different Phenotype of the ones in Halo 4 and 5. Thel Vadam is one of the H2A Elites, but his design from that game didn’t make it into Halo 5, cause they didn’t have the resources or time to do it. Most good games take 3-5 years to make. Halo 6 has now had 2 years so far. (But Halo 5 had 2-3 years also) No, they didn’t. Now, what I am saying is 343 has the time now to see that people want the old things in Halo back. Bonnie Ross even recently confirmed that taking away Split Screen was wrong and the other games will have it from now on. From their experience of Halo 5 they also learned many other things they shouldn’t have taken away.
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> > > So please, next time you want to start a little debate or argument, don’t. Shut up. I asked one question, and that was “Would anyone like to have the option to play as both the H2A and Halo 4-5 elite design?”
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> > I believe we won’t actually get a choice in the matter,
> > In my opinion the phenotypes ( or however you spell it) is just an excuse for 343 trying to improve the look of the elites, when everyone backlashed about how different they looked thats the excuse they came up with.
> > i can see 343 qiuetly removing the 4-5 elites and replacing them with the halo2A/halo wars 2 variant.
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> That’s quite silly to say, considering the fact that Bungie changed the subspecies you see quite a few time themselves.

I don’t believe its one of those cases, its kinda like MC’s armour from 3-4, all they did was try to improve it graphically but once everyone noticed it looked abit too different the rumour came out it was nanobots.
my point is the elites in 4-5 are the elites we know and love just graphically upgraded and because they changed abit too much of the look now its common knowledge that they are different subspecies.

and honestly i can’t remember bungie doing that, i know that some elites can look different like with humans ( skin colour, eye colour) and all that but never heard bungie state different sub species

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With black undersuits and the return of co op we stand a chance

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> > I think that, while Elites are awesome and fun, the height differentials between the species have never been portrayed well. Drones, jackals, and grunts are all roughly 6ft. high. Spartans are 6-8ft. tall. Elites are 7-9ft., and Brutes are 9-10 ft. These varying heights make it hard to match up Elites and Spartans equally in multiplayer. However, a set of all-Elite playlists is still feasible for H6, especially with Thel’s return in H5.
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> > A properly height-balanced campaign would be awesome. Imagine having to look up just to see the shoulders of a brute! Spartans have always been portrayed as literally larger-than-life (except maybe Reach), and it kinda sucks. Just a little.
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> Elites are not 7-9 feet tall. The tallest Sangheili recorded was Xytan 'Jar Wattinree. The design 343 has is stupid and it gives them an excuse not to put them in. Spartans II’s were 7-8 ft tall. Almost the same height, or at the same height as Elites. Whenever they stand straight up, they are slightly taller. Elites heigh was fixed in Halo 2 and Halo 3, which they were in a Combat stance.
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> One of the biggest things I hate hearing is, “they’re to tall, to big.” None of us care who want to play as them. It’s our play style. If 343 wouldn’t make them so fat and brute like, and more slim like Bungie’s design or H2A, they’d actually look like elites.
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> Edit: The reason why elites are bigger now cause the Spartan IV’s are small. It’s a fact shown at the end of Halo 4 and Chief towers over them.

I’m not saying that “Oh, Elites are so big, let’s ditch them forever.” I like Elites. They’re my favorite looking of all the Covie species (except maybe Mgalekgolo). They should come back, but with the S-IVs being shorter like you said, it would be hard to put them in the same playlists. I don’t think they look fat, either, their armor is bulkier than in CE and H2, but no bulkier than H3 and Reach. I hope that 343 doesn’t change their Elite template just for continuity’s sake (see CE, H2, H3, HW1, Reach).

P.S. I checked the Sangheili page in Universe, they range more accurately from 7 1/2 to 8 1/2.
P.P.S. Don’t quote me on this, but I think Linda is only like 6 1/2ft. tall.

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> > > A properly height-balanced campaign would be awesome. Imagine having to look up just to see the shoulders of a brute! Spartans have always been portrayed as literally larger-than-life (except maybe Reach), and it kinda sucks. Just a little.
> >
> > Elites are not 7-9 feet tall. The tallest Sangheili recorded was Xytan 'Jar Wattinree. The design 343 has is stupid and it gives them an excuse not to put them in. Spartans II’s were 7-8 ft tall. Almost the same height, or at the same height as Elites. Whenever they stand straight up, they are slightly taller. Elites heigh was fixed in Halo 2 and Halo 3, which they were in a Combat stance.
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> > One of the biggest things I hate hearing is, “they’re to tall, to big.” None of us care who want to play as them. It’s our play style. If 343 wouldn’t make them so fat and brute like, and more slim like Bungie’s design or H2A, they’d actually look like elites.
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> > Edit: The reason why elites are bigger now cause the Spartan IV’s are small. It’s a fact shown at the end of Halo 4 and Chief towers over them.
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> I’m not saying that “Oh, Elites are so big, let’s ditch them forever.” I like Elites. They’re my favorite looking of all the Covie species (except maybe Mgalekgolo). They should come back, but with the S-IVs being shorter like you said, it would be hard to put them in the same playlists. I don’t think they look fat, either, their armor is bulkier than in CE and H2, but no bulkier than H3 and Reach. I hope that 343 doesn’t change their Elite template just for continuity’s sake (see CE, H2, H3, HW1, Reach).
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> P.S. I checked the Sangheili page in Universe, they range more accurately from 7 1/2 to 8 1/2.
> P.P.S. Don’t quote me on this, but I think Linda is only like 6 1/2ft. tall.

Linda is 7ft

just to chime in on this but the IVs really aren’t that much shorter lol(and some are just as big or even bigger than some of the IIs). Palmer is 6"9 (not sure if it includes armor or not, the chief is 6"10 without armor (7"2 with it) and you can easily find a list on everyone’s heights from the Spartan IIs to the IIIs and the newer IVs, you also have to take into account the bodies get bigger and taller once through augmentation.

ill also add it’s ridiculous if 343 let height get in the way of game design as it’s just pure incompetence at that point. How many players do you know that even pay attention to the height of these models they use?

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343 started the whole thing about different Elites, Grunts, etc… it’s now canon.

About the height, I bet the Master Chief is smaller than Elites in Halo 4 since the game share a lot of things with Reach, even if a S-II is supposed to have the same…

  • I managed to gather 3 spec ops, 5 minors, 1 zealot and 1 Grunt in Uprising but the cam on my laptop can’t take a picture, disappointed they are all next to each other that would be too good to put on the first comment if that was possible.

Extra spec ops involve reinforcements at the beginning, the game spawn 2 spec ops if you lost everyone in the cave, if you rush inside before the zealot and his Elites come you can kill the 2 Grunts in the cave, spawn those 2 Elites and load outside, you have to push the zealot and the 2 minors because they don’t move until the cave is loaded.

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343 can you please just add Playable Elites in Halo 5 already? People have been begging you to and you still won’t do it even when the task is so simple. You already have the bodies for the Elites. All you need to do now is just make the HUD and give them abilities on par with Spartan Abilities.

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> 343 can you please just add Playable Elites in Halo 5 already? People have been begging you to and you still won’t do it even when the task is so simple. You already have the bodies for the Elites. All you need to do now is just make the HUD and give them abilities on par with Spartan Abilities.

It would be great to have playable elites added to halo 5, but I believe it’s been established that it’s not happening ( please correct me if I am wrong). Thats what I have heard around. Also, I am not a developer or anything like that, but I don’t think making them playable is that simple.

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Please god, at the very least 343, give us playable elites in Halo 6. I beg you, I BEG.

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i can name at least five people i know that will quit halo if there are no playable elites in halo 6, in fact i know one of them have at least 10 other people who won’t buy the game if he tells them not to. Me personally i will force my self to suffer until we do get them back. But let’s hope since 343 confirmed we are getting split screen and black undersuits back (which i really don’t understand the point of the whole black vs blue undersuit complaint, to me it doesn’t really matter since i’m colorblind but it’s such a minor thing.) that we will be getting playable elites back.

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> i can name at least five people i know that will quit halo if there are no playable elites in halo 6, in fact i know one of them have at least 10 other people who won’t buy the game if he tells them not to. Me personally i will force my self to suffer until we do get them back. But let’s hope since 343 confirmed we are getting split screen and black undersuits back (which i really don’t understand the point of the whole black vs blue undersuit complaint, to me it doesn’t really matter since i’m colorblind but it’s such a minor thing.) that we will be getting playable elites back.

The reason people are complaining on it is due to that the color under suits makes the armor look worse. Mainly due to the color of the under suits making armor look worse and that it seems to make you look like a bigger target.