Sangheili (Elites) In New Trilogy Matchmaking (Part 1)

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> OK, for anyone who comments, and is like, oh this will hurt competitive players or whatever. No, it won’t. Having playable elites won’t hurt any of that.
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> If you had any common sense or played Halo Reach, you would understand how elites can be their own thing, away from the competitive community.
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> Invasion, and Elite Slayer. Halo reach didn’t let players default to an Elite in normal modes, you were a Spartan. Unless Elite Slayer was on, or you were on Blue team in Invasion. For a future game, they could be playable in Warzone. Cause that’s supposed to be, I guess a, Social playlist.
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> That way Competitive people can have their fun without the burden of Elites or whatever people say about them.
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> (And I assume they can be added into Halo 5. Shouldn’t be hard considering they keep adding in new scripts here and there changing some parts of the Sandbox.)

Yea, for the my brilliant idea was just make two separate matchmakings, one for comp, one for social.

Anything social (which would include social copies of all the comp playlists) would have playable elites.

That way any of complainers on either side will be happy.

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> > > In a few months this thread will be reaching its five year anniversary… 5 Years! It has stayed a relevant and controversial topic for just about half a decade and almost all of 343s time as main developer of the franchise. While the Sangheili personally don’t bother me, I feel like the must return in a future title, if not Halo 6. This 5 year old, and 795 page, commented on approx 15,900 thread is evidence enough that there is a massive unacknowledged demand that must satisfied!
> > > And if this thread survives till 5 of March 2017.
> >
> > Makes me feel like 343 doesn’t know the thread exists :frowning:
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> This Thread has been on waypoint since I have, and 343 have directly acknowledged me with a LOL badge, a top E3 commenter badge as well as replying to me in some Q&As in that time.
> If they can recognize me (a singular insignificant member of the community) they can see this massive 796 page thread and are fully aware of the problem. Ske7ch has probably seen this dozens of times in his short time as manager so far.

Well, I would hate to think that they see this as a dump thread…

Kinda like the ban thread, split-screen thread, eu servers thread, etc… where they can just file all the complaints into a metaphorical shredder. (I don’t think they totally ignore things, but with there lacks of responses it feels that way.)

We voice our feelings much more then anyone ever voiced for sprint, yet we still have sprint… I think 343 has there own priorities, and until an official word is given I will think they swept us under the rug.

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> > Bungie loved sandbox.
> > 343 loved multiplayer.
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> Also that doesn’t make very much sense to me, considering the fact that 343’s sandboxes are 1,000% better than Bungie’s.

Well, it’s more about the feel they put in the sandbox.

Bungie made you feel loose almost like you could do anything with proper skill. Example, in halo 2 if you got on top of the buildings you could just explore that part of the city.

343 is more focused on makeing sure your shooting what’s in front of you, and creating an environment for such things, but they keep you confind to a certain path, thus there is very little exploring to be done.

People who came to halo for the exploration have been severely hurt by 343’s sandbox experience. There just isn’t many fun things to screw around with on 343 maps, they don’t put much focused to them.

Neither is a bad thing, but halo was a place for the explorative types who also like a good epic space opra shooter.

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> > > > > > > Are you talking about the way they fought/acted, or are you talking about the way they looked? If it’s the way they acted/fought, I guess that is debatable. If it’s the way they looked, you can’t just assume that nobody likes that phenotype. I mean, I like it.
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> > > > > > it was the way they acted for example in the cutscene where Locke kills jul’s elites they are all sluggish and big oaths, not the “Elite” warriors we once knew.
> > > > > > as for the look i quite like it as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > I wouldn’t be surprised if those elites were drunk, especially the one who tried feebly to grab Vale. He was like “Huh, get over here you little (mumbles incoherently), D’oh!” and then stumbles drunkenly over the cliff after being lazily backhanded.
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> > > > You see THAT was what really ticked me off about it, but a buddy o mine recently actually changed my mind on that, in that this “Storm Covenant” doesn’t hold the elites that we had before, that were trained to fight humans and were skilled at it, like in Reach and Halo Wars (UGH! best portrayals in my opinion).
> > > > It gives a reason for their dumb way of acting in those cutscenes, but that’s not gonna stop me from wondering whether they did that on purpose, to cater to that lore reason, or just to make Lock and his team look that good, which if that’s the case, than I’m gonna hate this story’s writing a lot more than I already have!
> > > > Overall, I really hate the way they did it, and it’s probably true, but I don’t like to see these idiots be a visual representation of the new Elites that I’ve grown to love the design of!
> > >
> > > I agree, but lack of training dosen’t mean there is no common sense. All elites are tought to fight at a young age, so they should have put up a fight. I think they where trying to make Locks team look good.
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> > Exactly! And thinking about it just annoys me because it makes me believe that these Fantastic new phenotypes were made purely for budget, without reason, except to have something for them to kill, not only that but for Chief too! Look at that cutscene where the 4 blast the glass open from space, jump in, and have Gravity boost, JUST WATCH HOW THEY REACT! Its so annoying and can I ask why they were there in the first place if they weren’t going to have some sort of gravity boot technology IN SPACE? I don’t know man, these portrayals really did make the world look like Locke was the king, because the Storm Covenant literally died along with Jul M’dama who should’ve escaped the first mission, and was a priority along with Locke and his team to find Chief, and than! When the Arbiter is allied with, and they assault Sunaion with the last remaining forces, AND their supreme leader hiding behind the walls…
> > The Arbiter climbed up that different root, remember? We didn’t get to follow him, and instead of the cutscene that we get at the end of that final promethean battle at the END of the level, Locke and his team arrive there, and Jul’s elites come close but fall to Locke’s quick Spartan training (No, I don’t mean just show the part where the Elite is a -Yoink- and lets himself be open for an easy knock off a cliff), and than… The Spartan’s stare down Jul M’dama, and just before they sprint…
> > “Stop… this is my duel” the Arbiter walks passed Locke as he watches him slowly walked towards Jul, before stopping, and drawing his sword.
> > You can figure out the rest…
> > That’s how I would’ve done it, it wasn’t my Idea, but when I heard it from my buddy, I couldn’t stop thinking about it!
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> So you didnt play, your opinion is invalid.

Wait what? Explain yourself, I would’ve loved to see it done that way, and I think it was a missed opportunity with that “kick in the balls” of a supreme covenant leader death! Why’s my opinion invalid? :<
What’s yours? :0

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> OK, for anyone who comments, and is like, oh this will hurt competitive players or whatever. No, it won’t. Having playable elites won’t hurt any of that.
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> If you had any common sense or played Halo Reach, you would understand how elites can be their own thing, away from the competitive community.
>
> Invasion, and Elite Slayer. Halo reach didn’t let players default to an Elite in normal modes, you were a Spartan. Unless Elite Slayer was on, or you were on Blue team in Invasion. For a future game, they could be playable in Warzone. Cause that’s supposed to be, I guess a, Social playlist.
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> That way Competitive people can have their fun without the burden of Elites or whatever people say about them.
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> (And I assume they can be added into Halo 5. Shouldn’t be hard considering they keep adding in new scripts here and there changing some parts of the Sandbox.)

Well yeah exactly! And that’s the solution most of everyone really wants, and so do I! In fact that’s the kind of elite I want back, but I know a good half of the elite Lovers would kill to see Halo 3/2 style to come back because it supposedly worked in multiplayer, and I trust that! I don’t want competitive players to be left out, cause that’s just more people who are gonna get mad when Elites do make a return, and I have enough faith that they definitely will knowing 343! But yeah anyway, I talked about my “Safe Solution” many many times, and I’m not sure if I can go through it again, but basically bring back BOTH phenotypes in the form of Competitive Elites and, you know the bigger Elites, able to be switched between as a model, and you can be both phenotypes in casual gamemodes like Warzone, or customs, or social arena, you know stuff like that. But for Competitive ranked arena, they’d blank out the option to be the bigger one, and would only allow to be a Spartan or a competitive elite, you know?
Goddamnit I just explained again didn’t I, my fingers hurt!
But yeah anyway, THATS the solution I want because than everyone’s gonna be stoked at the launch of them!

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> > > > > > Do any of you guys think 343 is going to implement playable elites in Halo 6?
> > > > > > I hope to see a Halo Reach type of playable elites
> > > > >
> > > > > Dood I’d kill for the Reach type again man, in fact that’s the type of Elite size I want, but I feel like people outmatch us in terms of those who want the balanced elites with a small hitbox, Which I liked! Don’t get me wrong, but I’ll definitely miss being sensibly tall man! Remember if they bring them back they gotta do it right, it’s either a tough choice between balancing them for ALL gamemodes, or heightening them for casual gamemodes and customs! To which the answer to that is the safe solution! Add both of them!
> > > > > Balanced for Competitive, Large and too an extent, regular in other gamemodes, and of course, you’d have the choice to play as the balanced ones in every gamemode, but the larger ones would just be a blanked option in competitive.
> > > > > I’ve said this way too many times, I know! But I feel it’s the best solution, but I’d like to hear if anyone else has a better idea because that’s the best of both worlds in my opinion!
> > > >
> > > > Casual gamemodes man, give me my phenotype options.
> > > >
> > > > Some ideas:
> > > > - Invasion - Firefight - Anything custom (unless desired otherwise) - Campaign - Forge - And some other things that may lay in the futureThe moment we start restricting ourselves to anything less then this, we’ve lost the battle.
> > > >
> > > > (COMP PLAYERS DON’T OWN HALO!!!)
> > >
> > > EXACTLY!.. But I don’t want to get rid of them! hahaha!
> > > Ok I’ve been told thousands of times that I should just shut up and pick a side, but I can’t tell you how much I would hate myself to NEVER play devil’s advocate again, because I’m gonna be frank, I like EVERY elite that’s ever been crafted by Bungie, 343 and Ensemble hands. And while I know that it’s probably the less likely to happen to see 3’s and Reach’s implementation molded together, It’s nice to think about it. I don’t however, want leave MLG’s out of the equation! Elites should be balanced, but I can’t stress enough How both of the sides are equally important! The safe solution man!
> >
> > Don’t get me wrong, I love comp players. I even play competitively often, (in respective modes) but some times I see people act like comp players own things, and that if they don’t like it then it won’t be there.
>
> You see THAT was what really ticked me off about it, but a buddy o mine recently actually changed my mind on that, in that this “Storm Covenant” doesn’t hold the elites that we had before, that were trained to fight humans and were skilled at it, like in Reach and Halo Wars (UGH! best portrayals in my opinion).
> It gives a reason for their dumb way of acting in those cutscenes, but that’s not gonna stop me from wondering whether they did that on purpose, to cater to that lore reason, or just to make Lock and his team look that good, which if that’s the case, than I’m gonna hate this story’s writing a lot more than I already have!
> Overall, I really hate the way they did it, and it’s probably true, but I don’t like to see these idiots be a visual representation of the new Elites that I’ve grown to love the design of!

Halo Wars is quite literally the worst showing for Elites in canon.

Slowly waddling across open ground without any weapons or shields against UNSC troops with armor support? Elites consider that a good idea in that game. Later we see that instead of using their camo to its full effect and stabbing the Spartans with their energy lances since the Spartans couldn’t see them with their motion sensors and can barely see them with their camo on, they instead opted to decloak several dozen meters away and perform a spear charge against ranged opponents.

At least 343i has given us a decent excuse for them with them being considered cannon fodder incompetent criminals used in the war against humanity.

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> > > > > > > Do any of you guys think 343 is going to implement playable elites in Halo 6?
> > > > > > > I hope to see a Halo Reach type of playable elites
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dood I’d kill for the Reach type again man, in fact that’s the type of Elite size I want, but I feel like people outmatch us in terms of those who want the balanced elites with a small hitbox, Which I liked! Don’t get me wrong, but I’ll definitely miss being sensibly tall man! Remember if they bring them back they gotta do it right, it’s either a tough choice between balancing them for ALL gamemodes, or heightening them for casual gamemodes and customs! To which the answer to that is the safe solution! Add both of them!
> > > > > > Balanced for Competitive, Large and too an extent, regular in other gamemodes, and of course, you’d have the choice to play as the balanced ones in every gamemode, but the larger ones would just be a blanked option in competitive.
> > > > > > I’ve said this way too many times, I know! But I feel it’s the best solution, but I’d like to hear if anyone else has a better idea because that’s the best of both worlds in my opinion!
> > > > >
> > > > > Casual gamemodes man, give me my phenotype options.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some ideas:
> > > > > - Invasion - Firefight - Anything custom (unless desired otherwise) - Campaign - Forge - And some other things that may lay in the futureThe moment we start restricting ourselves to anything less then this, we’ve lost the battle.
> > > > >
> > > > > (COMP PLAYERS DON’T OWN HALO!!!)
> > > >
> > > > EXACTLY!.. But I don’t want to get rid of them! hahaha!
> > > > Ok I’ve been told thousands of times that I should just shut up and pick a side, but I can’t tell you how much I would hate myself to NEVER play devil’s advocate again, because I’m gonna be frank, I like EVERY elite that’s ever been crafted by Bungie, 343 and Ensemble hands. And while I know that it’s probably the less likely to happen to see 3’s and Reach’s implementation molded together, It’s nice to think about it. I don’t however, want leave MLG’s out of the equation! Elites should be balanced, but I can’t stress enough How both of the sides are equally important! The safe solution man!
> > >
> > > Don’t get me wrong, I love comp players. I even play competitively often, (in respective modes) but some times I see people act like comp players own things, and that if they don’t like it then it won’t be there.
> >
> > You see THAT was what really ticked me off about it, but a buddy o mine recently actually changed my mind on that, in that this “Storm Covenant” doesn’t hold the elites that we had before, that were trained to fight humans and were skilled at it, like in Reach and Halo Wars (UGH! best portrayals in my opinion).
> > It gives a reason for their dumb way of acting in those cutscenes, but that’s not gonna stop me from wondering whether they did that on purpose, to cater to that lore reason, or just to make Lock and his team look that good, which if that’s the case, than I’m gonna hate this story’s writing a lot more than I already have!
> > Overall, I really hate the way they did it, and it’s probably true, but I don’t like to see these idiots be a visual representation of the new Elites that I’ve grown to love the design of!
>
> Halo Wars is quite literally the worst showing for Elites in canon.
>
> Slowly waddling across open ground without any weapons or shields against UNSC troops with armor support? Elites consider that a good idea in that game. Later we see that instead of using their camo to its full effect and stabbing the Spartans with their energy lances since the Spartans couldn’t see them with their motion sensors and can barely see them with their camo on, they instead opted to decloak several dozen meters away and perform a spear charge against ranged opponents.
>
> At least 343i has given us a decent excuse for them with them being considered cannon fodder incompetent criminals used in the war against humanity.

Well, yeah I guess your right, Now that I think of it, I really don’t know why I never complained about that before… Was it the music? No no actually, I think I know why I didn’t complain, because of the scene that was literally being played beside it! hahaha! (I’m not trying to be hostile, just stay with me for a sec XD)
The ARBITER, great, gigantic, larger than average elite shows his superiority to Seargent Forge, first hand, by beating him instead of killing him. Drilling it into his head that HE had already won, and that nobody will be here to save him. THATS the elite I love, and of course he gets spoiled at the end with a cheap knife, hahaha!
You are totally right about those elites, they were pretty dumb by decloaking so far back but, I guess whenever I think of Halo Wars Elites I think of this! Halo Wars - YouTube
And I’m of course talking about that picture scene, not the actually fight scene afterwards… Don’t judge me!
Yeah anyway, they didn’t portray it well either but… I don’t know man, you’ve really contradicted me good, but I gave Halo Wars a pass because of the scenes they gave that I’m starting think now, Halo 5 didn’t do at all. Take a look at monsters, that tone was meant to be heroic and battle torn, and it was serious! Our Forge nearly died to this big guy, and the music was on point! Take it again with that cutscene I sent. The scene of the Tanks and Warthogs going to save those Marine, before the Elite chokes him, knowing of his eventual death, and than his squad Decloaks with banshees lifting off. They paid the utmost respect on those scenes and it made the experience for me, it was solid and it was respectful and it was SERIOUS! I can’t help but think that Halo 5 wasn’t trying to be serious because the adversaries were dumb and stupid and they died within seconds of each cutscene. And than we find out CORTANA is the villain and I don’t even want to talk about her. Warden? Same deal! I love his voice, I love his character, he was sort’ve like the Didact.
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…

I really can’t explain why he was done so right, watch for yourself!
I guess what I’m trying to say is that Halo 5 didn’t really establish a villain with any scene like what I’ve shown, Halo Reach did it with that cutscene with Jorge and the Girl, Halo Wars did it again, for REAL with the first cutscene, and ALL of these examples really gave spectacular and informative, VISUAL representations of why our main characters are struggling against these villains, and don’t you even get me started on Atriox!
Anyway I guess I’m trying to target the writing in general for villains and antagonists in general, but that counts for Elites too. They weren’t written too well, at least from the appearance they are supposed to brandish, and I wasn’t interested in watching Locke beat them up repetitively, making me wonder why there is even a scene of him doing that if it doesn’t establish anything. It establishes nothing but the fact that Elites in that game are idiots, and that I don’t care if Locke wins or not. It’s all in the writing, you know?
If you’ve gotten this far, please share your thoughts!

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> > > > In a few months this thread will be reaching its five year anniversary… 5 Years! It has stayed a relevant and controversial topic for just about half a decade and almost all of 343s time as main developer of the franchise. While the Sangheili personally don’t bother me, I feel like the must return in a future title, if not Halo 6. This 5 year old, and 795 page, commented on approx 15,900 thread is evidence enough that there is a massive unacknowledged demand that must satisfied!
> > > > And if this thread survives till 5 of March 2017.
> > >
> > > Makes me feel like 343 doesn’t know the thread exists :frowning:
> >
> > This Thread has been on waypoint since I have, and 343 have directly acknowledged me with a LOL badge, a top E3 commenter badge as well as replying to me in some Q&As in that time.
> > If they can recognize me (a singular insignificant member of the community) they can see this massive 796 page thread and are fully aware of the problem. Ske7ch has probably seen this dozens of times in his short time as manager so far.
>
> Well, I would hate to think that they see this as a dump thread…
>
> Kinda like the ban thread, split-screen thread, eu servers thread, etc… where they can just file all the complaints into a metaphorical shredder. (I don’t think they totally ignore things, but with there lacks of responses it feels that way.)
>
> We voice our feelings much more then anyone ever voiced for sprint, yet we still have sprint… I think 343 has there own priorities, and until an official word is given I will think they swept us under the rug.

Well I don’t want to say that but a small part of me thinks that. But that’s why we have the ying yang! I really do want to think they’re listening, both for the fact that LateNightGaming did release another piece of info after he did the Halo 5 development video. That they are working on Playable Elites, but its been difficult considering the thousands of other priorities. I think it’s a big priority but I don’t represent the Halo community, it’s not something everyone thinks about, but its no damn lie that a lot of people want it, this thread is a prime example! They could look at the number of pages and decide right than what we are thinking, and that’s enough for me to have faith!
Join me! My miracles are faithful!

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> > > > > In a few months this thread will be reaching its five year anniversary… 5 Years! It has stayed a relevant and controversial topic for just about half a decade and almost all of 343s time as main developer of the franchise. While the Sangheili personally don’t bother me, I feel like the must return in a future title, if not Halo 6. This 5 year old, and 795 page, commented on approx 15,900 thread is evidence enough that there is a massive unacknowledged demand that must satisfied!
> > > > > And if this thread survives till 5 of March 2017.
> > > >
> > > > Makes me feel like 343 doesn’t know the thread exists :frowning:
> > >
> > > This Thread has been on waypoint since I have, and 343 have directly acknowledged me with a LOL badge, a top E3 commenter badge as well as replying to me in some Q&As in that time.
> > > If they can recognize me (a singular insignificant member of the community) they can see this massive 796 page thread and are fully aware of the problem. Ske7ch has probably seen this dozens of times in his short time as manager so far.
> >
> > Well, I would hate to think that they see this as a dump thread…
> >
> > Kinda like the ban thread, split-screen thread, eu servers thread, etc… where they can just file all the complaints into a metaphorical shredder. (I don’t think they totally ignore things, but with there lacks of responses it feels that way.)
> >
> > We voice our feelings much more then anyone ever voiced for sprint, yet we still have sprint… I think 343 has there own priorities, and until an official word is given I will think they swept us under the rug.
>
> Well I don’t want to say that but a small part of me thinks that. But that’s why we have the ying yang! I really do want to think they’re listening, both for the fact that LateNightGaming did release another piece of info after he did the Halo 5 development video. That they are working on Playable Elites, but its been difficult considering the thousands of other priorities. I think it’s a big priority but I don’t represent the Halo community, it’s not something everyone thinks about, but its no damn lie that a lot of people want it, this thread is a prime example! They could look at the number of pages and decide right than what we are thinking, and that’s enough for me to have faith!
> Join me! My miracles are faithful!

LNG probably is right on that, but I still would like to get some words.

You right, the best thing to do now is give some support here, and keep our heads held high!

FOR SANGHELIOS!!!

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> > > > > > In a few months this thread will be reaching its five year anniversary… 5 Years! It has stayed a relevant and controversial topic for just about half a decade and almost all of 343s time as main developer of the franchise. While the Sangheili personally don’t bother me, I feel like the must return in a future title, if not Halo 6. This 5 year old, and 795 page, commented on approx 15,900 thread is evidence enough that there is a massive unacknowledged demand that must satisfied!
> > > > > > And if this thread survives till 5 of March 2017.
> > > > >
> > > > > Makes me feel like 343 doesn’t know the thread exists :frowning:
> > > >
> > > > This Thread has been on waypoint since I have, and 343 have directly acknowledged me with a LOL badge, a top E3 commenter badge as well as replying to me in some Q&As in that time.
> > > > If they can recognize me (a singular insignificant member of the community) they can see this massive 796 page thread and are fully aware of the problem. Ske7ch has probably seen this dozens of times in his short time as manager so far.
> > >
> > > Well, I would hate to think that they see this as a dump thread…
> > >
> > > Kinda like the ban thread, split-screen thread, eu servers thread, etc… where they can just file all the complaints into a metaphorical shredder. (I don’t think they totally ignore things, but with there lacks of responses it feels that way.)
> > >
> > > We voice our feelings much more then anyone ever voiced for sprint, yet we still have sprint… I think 343 has there own priorities, and until an official word is given I will think they swept us under the rug.
> >
> > Well I don’t want to say that but a small part of me thinks that. But that’s why we have the ying yang! I really do want to think they’re listening, both for the fact that LateNightGaming did release another piece of info after he did the Halo 5 development video. That they are working on Playable Elites, but its been difficult considering the thousands of other priorities. I think it’s a big priority but I don’t represent the Halo community, it’s not something everyone thinks about, but its no damn lie that a lot of people want it, this thread is a prime example! They could look at the number of pages and decide right than what we are thinking, and that’s enough for me to have faith!
> > Join me! My miracles are faithful!
>
> LNG probably is right on that, but I still would like to get some words.
>
> You right, the best thing to do now is give some support here, and keep our heads held high!
>
> FOR SANGHELIOS!!!

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> > OK, for anyone who comments, and is like, oh this will hurt competitive players or whatever. No, it won’t. Having playable elites won’t hurt any of that.
> >
> > If you had any common sense or played Halo Reach, you would understand how elites can be their own thing, away from the competitive community.
> >
> > Invasion, and Elite Slayer. Halo reach didn’t let players default to an Elite in normal modes, you were a Spartan. Unless Elite Slayer was on, or you were on Blue team in Invasion. For a future game, they could be playable in Warzone. Cause that’s supposed to be, I guess a, Social playlist.
> >
> > That way Competitive people can have their fun without the burden of Elites or whatever people say about them.
> >
> > (And I assume they can be added into Halo 5. Shouldn’t be hard considering they keep adding in new scripts here and there changing some parts of the Sandbox.)
>
> Well yeah exactly! And that’s the solution most of everyone really wants, and so do I! In fact that’s the kind of elite I want back, but I know a good half of the elite Lovers would kill to see Halo 3/2 style to come back because it supposedly worked in multiplayer, and I trust that! I don’t want competitive players to be left out, cause that’s just more people who are gonna get mad when Elites do make a return, and I have enough faith that they definitely will knowing 343! But yeah anyway, I talked about my “Safe Solution” many many times, and I’m not sure if I can go through it again, but basically bring back BOTH phenotypes in the form of Competitive Elites and, you know the bigger Elites, able to be switched between as a model, and you can be both phenotypes in casual gamemodes like Warzone, or customs, or social arena, you know stuff like that. But for Competitive ranked arena, they’d blank out the option to be the bigger one, and would only allow to be a Spartan or a competitive elite, you know?
> Goddamnit I just explained again didn’t I, my fingers hurt!
> But yeah anyway, THATS the solution I want because than everyone’s gonna be stoked at the launch of them!

You keep speaking as if there are only two phenotypes. You know there are at least 4 different Sangheili Subspecies that have been revealed to the community, right?

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holy hell, nearly 5 years, we’ve got some commitment going on here.
Makes me feel old, i remember commenting on this when it first started.
whats the record for a continued ongoing thread?

but i’m glad to see everyone is coming up with good arguments for how they should be implemented, it seems most of us are on the same page.

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> holy hell, nearly 5 years, we’ve got some commitment going on here.
> Makes me feel old, i remember commenting on this when it first started.
> whats the record for a continued ongoing thread?
>
> but i’m glad to see everyone is coming up with good arguments for how they should be implemented, it seems most of us are on the same page.

RuthlessSkate94 found a 3000 page thread, I couldn’t really tell what it was about though.

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> > 2533274923746051;15914:
> > holy hell, nearly 5 years, we’ve got some commitment going on here.
> > Makes me feel old, i remember commenting on this when it first started.
> > whats the record for a continued ongoing thread?
> >
> > but i’m glad to see everyone is coming up with good arguments for how they should be implemented, it seems most of us are on the same page.
>
> RuthlessSkate94 found a 3000 page thread, I couldn’t really tell what it was about though.

It was basically the break room. And I believe it was 3094 pages. I’m at school so I’m not posting the link right now. When I get home I’ll post it

Edit (biggest thread ever on Waypoint)

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All this time and still no 343i response, wow. Gotta love a company like that!

That said, remember when the game was supposed to be “Fun” before it got competitive? Pepridge farms remembers.

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> All this time and still no 343i response, wow. Gotta love a company like that!
>
> That said, remember when the game was supposed to be “Fun” before it got competitive? Pepridge farms remembers.

I can tell your not a comp player ay?

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> All this time and still no 343i response, wow. Gotta love a company like that!
>
> That said, remember when the game was supposed to be “Fun” before it got competitive? Pepridge farms remembers.

Response to the thread? Why so? They’ve already stated they’d try for h6 along with many other wanted features and such. Asking for a response when one has already been given is pointless, all you can do is keep showing your interest to make sure 343 see a demand for it. Asking them over and over just gets you the same “we’re trying for h6” response if they feel like repeating themselves.

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> > All this time and still no 343i response, wow. Gotta love a company like that!
> >
> > That said, remember when the game was supposed to be “Fun” before it got competitive? Pepridge farms remembers.
>
> Response to the thread? Why so? They’ve already stated they’d try for h6 along with many other wanted features and such. Asking for a response when one has already been given is pointless, all you can do is keep showing your interest to make sure 343 see a demand for it. Asking them over and over just gets you the same “we’re trying for h6” response if they feel like repeating themselves.

I see what your saying, but they never said they are going to try for halo 6.

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> > > 2533274818761507;15917:
> > > All this time and still no 343i response, wow. Gotta love a company like that!
> > >
> > > That said, remember when the game was supposed to be “Fun” before it got competitive? Pepridge farms remembers.
> >
> > Response to the thread? Why so? They’ve already stated they’d try for h6 along with many other wanted features and such. Asking for a response when one has already been given is pointless, all you can do is keep showing your interest to make sure 343 see a demand for it. Asking them over and over just gets you the same “we’re trying for h6” response if they feel like repeating themselves.
>
> I see what your saying, but they never said they are going to try for halo 6.

They actuallly have, along with split screen, A.I. In forge, ect ect. It was on a stream/interview long ago, no article on the matter to prove it though so there’s only my word unless I can find it, but im
fairly certain they’ve said their usual “we’ll try next time” remark.

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> > > OK, for anyone who comments, and is like, oh this will hurt competitive players or whatever. No, it won’t. Having playable elites won’t hurt any of that.
> > >
> > > If you had any common sense or played Halo Reach, you would understand how elites can be their own thing, away from the competitive community.
> > >
> > > Invasion, and Elite Slayer. Halo reach didn’t let players default to an Elite in normal modes, you were a Spartan. Unless Elite Slayer was on, or you were on Blue team in Invasion. For a future game, they could be playable in Warzone. Cause that’s supposed to be, I guess a, Social playlist.
> > >
> > > That way Competitive people can have their fun without the burden of Elites or whatever people say about them.
> > >
> > > (And I assume they can be added into Halo 5. Shouldn’t be hard considering they keep adding in new scripts here and there changing some parts of the Sandbox.)
> >
> > Well yeah exactly! And that’s the solution most of everyone really wants, and so do I! In fact that’s the kind of elite I want back, but I know a good half of the elite Lovers would kill to see Halo 3/2 style to come back because it supposedly worked in multiplayer, and I trust that! I don’t want competitive players to be left out, cause that’s just more people who are gonna get mad when Elites do make a return, and I have enough faith that they definitely will knowing 343! But yeah anyway, I talked about my “Safe Solution” many many times, and I’m not sure if I can go through it again, but basically bring back BOTH phenotypes in the form of Competitive Elites and, you know the bigger Elites, able to be switched between as a model, and you can be both phenotypes in casual gamemodes like Warzone, or customs, or social arena, you know stuff like that. But for Competitive ranked arena, they’d blank out the option to be the bigger one, and would only allow to be a Spartan or a competitive elite, you know?
> > Goddamnit I just explained again didn’t I, my fingers hurt!
> > But yeah anyway, THATS the solution I want because than everyone’s gonna be stoked at the launch of them!
>
> You keep speaking as if there are only two phenotypes. You know there are at least 4 different Sangheili Subspecies that have been revealed to the community, right?

Yes! OH believe me I do, but not everyone is going to know tha-ok lemme start over, I’m speaking from the general standpoint you know? I LOVE elites, I love their looks their models, and differences that make sense when compared to humanity changing phenotypes! But if I inquired of the inclusion of knowledge of the exact information about the phenotype to satisfy a demand, something that thousands of people are going to indulge in, the majority who are new to it will probably refer it as such you know? I said “The smaller elites, and the bigger elites” because I am dumb, and I haven’t filled my knowledge in on most of them, and my hat goes off to you sir for that wonderful picture (thank you by the way for that, haha!) of the other phenotypes your talking about. But, from that I’m basically trying to state the bottom line you know? We want playable elites, that’s number 1.
Number 2, however, is the factor of the balancing they are going to have in the game, the solutions as such, the “Safe Solution” as I have called it, you know. And so, the “Smaller” ones refer to, you know, the Halo 2 and 3 style of balancing out the hitbox, so that they are not bigger targets and therefore are balanced for the competitive standpoint. However, when Halo Reach did it, they implemented a much bigger Elite model, but in compensation, obviously that they wouldn’t work in competitive, was to put them in their separate modes. A lot of people, including me, prefer these because they portray the Phenotype, if you will, of Elites that are Taller, Stronger, more Agile! (basing off the amazing smooth moves they pull off in the campaign and cutscenes!). I don’t know specifically what these phenotypes are, but like many, they are different from one another. As such, there are possibilities than for thousands more, considering the habitability of space! Some phenotypes might have reactive skin that has turned black and leathery to adapt to, say a more hotter environment, more jagged. And some others like Halo 4’s elites might have a more tolerating tone that protects them from-you know I really don’t belong in this conversation, haha! Point is though I know exactly what you’re talking about and it was my fault for misplacing it in the first place, I was just saying it from a standpoint that would be simple and to the point, add the smaller ones for competitive, and the larger ones for casual, so that they satisfy the game mechanics in two ways, and, well, make us all happy! That includes the comp players, come on in here!