Sangheili (Elites) In New Trilogy Matchmaking (Part 1)

> > Even though I never play as the elites I certainly feel that halo wouldn’t be halo without them. 343 plaese put in a playlist with elites like elite CTF, or elites slayer like in reach. That would be awesome!
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> I have a feeling Sangheili will be in Halo 4. <mark>However, now they are separate from the Covenant (which have also been confirmed present)</mark> I do not know how large of a role they will play.
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> Also, with this new approach to Multiplayer as in fictional links and the reasoning behind Red and Blue I do not know if 343i want to avoid any sort of interference with Sangheili for this reason.

Last I heard (haven’t read Glasslands though) the covenant as we knew it essentially fell apart after Halo 3. The Elites Split off, the Prophets went into hiding, and the Brutes are in the middle if blowing themselves back into the stone-age. This basically leaves Grunts, Jackals, and Hunters. I don’t think that is much of a Covenant.

Either by “Covenant” they meant members of the former covenant, (which could actually refer to Elites, who I honestly still consider to be covies), a section of the covenant that did not get the memo about the war ending, or it is some new Covenant: either a new Covenant was formed under the leadership of the Arbiter, the or Brutes managed to stop fighting each other long enough to reunify (enslave?) a portion of the old covenant.

What do you think?

I do agree that Sangheili will likely play a role somewhere, if not directly in halo 4 then later. and either way, i think they would be in multiplayer. Its part of halo and has been since halo 2.

> Last I heard (haven’t read Glasslands though) the covenant as we knew it essentially fell apart after Halo 3. The Elites Split off, the Prophets went into hiding, and the Brutes are in the middle if blowing themselves back into the stone-age. This basically leaves Grunts, Jackals, and Hunters. I don’t think that is much of a Covenant.
> What do you think?
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> I do agree that Sangheili will likely play a role somewhere, if not directly in halo 4 then later. and either way, i think they would be in multiplayer. Its part of halo and has been since halo 2.

I don’t know what to expect what what ever “Covenant” they state are going to present in Halo 4. As you said, Grunts, Jackals and Hunters are the only relevant species that would still play the role as the Covenant. I don’t know if they would implement a partial Elite force that stayed with the Covenant and didn’t follow the same direction as the majority of the species. Same can be said for the Brutes. We do know there are going to be Covenant weapons so by this we can tell they obviously will be present in-game and not some sort of background fiction or bystander.

I know the topic of the Arbiter is doubted by many but it is really the only possibility of friendly Sangheili appearing the game and even the race entirely.

> > Meh. ‘Telcam is an idiot who would lead the Sangheili to a bloody end, and in the best case scenario to a stagnant dystopia whilst the rest of the galaxy fires on ahead up the technology tiers. His statements are logical fallacies that a 3 year old could dismantle.
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> If you look at the bestarium, the Sangheili were one of the only species to become space faring without assistance. Elites have the smarts, and 'Telcam is trying to do it the right way so in case anything else happens, they are completely and fully independent.

The Sangheili and San’Shyuum reverse engineered forerunner tech that they mined from their planetary moons. Humans are the only ones to Reach that status without any technological assistance. Now that we do, I can’t wait to see what the Halo 4 story line is going to be like. The humans are strong again and now that we have more Spartans and drugs available to further advance ourselves and technology, the Sangheili would be foolish to attack the humans.

And to think Humans have inherited the Mantle and are supposed to Save life, yet we would kill elites in multiplayer. How Sad. If only Elites were in charge the universe would be a better place

> The Sangheili and San’Shyuum reverse engineered forerunner tech that they mined from their planetary moons. Humans are the only ones to Reach that status without any technological assistance. Now that we do, I can’t wait to see what the Halo 4 story line is going to be like. The humans are strong again and now that we have more Spartans and drugs available to further advance ourselves and technology, the Sangheili would be foolish to attack the humans.

The Sangheili are split between two sides.

  1. Thel 'Vadam (Arbiter) along with his followers and a majority of the race has negotiated a peace treaty with the UNSC, it is still obviously weak.

  2. Telcam and his followers, considered as the insurgents plan to take down Thel 'Vadam.

While both sides know they do not have the power or numbers to fight the UNSC, there isn’t exactly a stable peace between the two races. The UNSC or more so ONI knows this and are currently attempting to prompt Telcam into initiating the rebellion that will further weaken and effectively reduce the Sangheili race to a size that will no longer cause the Human race any threat.

However, we have seen Chief in particular side with the Arbiter under a common cause which was at the very extremes, the flood. If a similar situation rises or purely the Arbiter decides to further enforced relations with the Human race we could see them feature as somewhat of an ally.

On the other hand, if the insurgents successfully achieve their goals, we could possibly see them as another form of enemy at a smaller scale.

Edit: OP - Both possibilities could enable the physical presence of Sangheili in Halo 4 and possibly Multiplayer Matchmaking.

> And to think Humans have inherited the Mantle and are supposed to Save life, yet we would kill elites in multiplayer. How Sad. If only Elites were in charge the universe would be a better place

They use the best thing ever to enter Halo. The Plasma Grenade!

> How quickly the sangheili advance,

Whether they can advance faster than Humanity or not is irrelevant I think. I am almost sure that however fast it is, it won’t be enough to close the massive gap between them and the UNSC before the UNSC gains the ability to turn around and wipe away Sanghelios like a smudge. I mean the UNSC already possesses a bomb of unimaginable power, easily capable of annihilating entire fleets of hundreds of Covenant ships and glassing planets in seconds. What will they have developed in 10 years with Forerunner technology? As it is, I think it is clear that the Sangheili don’t advance as quickly as Humanity, which only compounds the issue further for them.

> the fact that plasma weaponry is made on Sanghelios which I would believe they won’t run out of,

You are assuming that their factories will not require maintenance. Remember, no Huragok now. If something breaks down, that effects their production. They won’t be able to innovate and develop new weapons and counter-responses to others for quite a while until they are capable of building the facilities and means to do so. Facing something like Humanity, who is uncannily adaptive and cunning, this isn’t good. And no, not all their plasma weaponry was manufactured on Sanghelios. Over half of their weapons and almost all of their vehicles were manufactured on High Charity, which is now gone. The Merchants of Qikost and Iruiru Armory still have a fair amount of their infantry weapon production, but they have lost over half of it with the loss of the Assembly Forges and the Sacred Promissory on High Charity.

What they retain with the Qikost and Iruiri manufacturers:

Beam Rifle, Concussion Rifle, Plasma pistol/Rifle/Repeater/grenade/sword, Carbine, Ghost, and Revenant.

That is it.

They lose the ability to produce everything else. High Charity churned out the rest of it. The Phantom/Spirit Dropships, all the Wraith tank variants, the Scarab, all the Needler type weapons, all their aircraft (Vampire, all Banshee variants, Seraph), the Locust, the Focus Rifle, pretty much all their anti-vehicle weaponry (Fuel Rod, Plasma Launcher, heavy turrets) and their anti-air. (Like the Mantis) Let’s not forget the most important one as well: Starships. This is just me flicking through the Visual Guide btw. They have lost the ability to mass produce over half of their military gear. When the Shipmaster in the Return said that they were in a dire situation technologically, he really wasn’t kidding by the way. Do you remember how he had no energy sword, but a curve blade instead, and was forced to scrounge for a Human sidearm? And that is in 2559. They are still in the same predicament 6 years after the Schism, the same predicament they were in during Glasslands, with still no way out and no direction to rebuild in. Meanwhile, what do you think Humanity will have accomplished by then? How many Forerunner enhanced ships have they built by 2559? How many Spartan-IVs will they have, and how will their weapons and vehicles have been enhanced? Whilst Humanity gets stronger, the Sangheili continue to move back the way.

> how 'Telcam plans to balance the relationship with ONI,

The first problem is that he is trying to make a deal with ONI, and in doing so trying to undermine the intentions of the UEG and the UNSC brass who wish to establish peace with Thel. So like I said, risking making the situation a whole lot worse whilst Thel is trying to make sure that his people have a future at all. As for a balanced relationship, how is about threatening Human colonies on the border of UNSC space, how is about trying to tell Humanity what it can and cannot say about the Forerunners, what about him advocating that tampering with Forerunner technology is forbidden? This is not balanced. He is making tall orders of Humanity after his kind just committed a foul act of genocide. In other words, provoking Humanity when the Sangheili won’t have a chance against them in future no matter what they do.

> the fact that that Thel sees zero threat from humanity and would let them walk all over him should they choose to do so, etc.

Well, assuming this is true, what else is he going to do? Rally the Sangheili’s decaying and almost non-existent fleets, and use their rapidly diminishing supplies and their half-functional military production against an enemy who could in destroy his entire planet with a single bomb, who has a Forerunner enhanced warship and possible an army of Spartans, and who can adapt to anything the Sangheili do, and is quite possibly just better than them in R&D and strategic planning? Well yeah, if Humanity actually wanted to in future, the Sangheili would do as told, or die.

As it is, that has not happened, and doesn’t look like it will if Lord Hood, the UEG and Thel get their way. (And it was not said that Thel is not planning contingencies anyway…) So who is better for Sanghelios: Thel, who realizes that even if Humanity wanted to annihilate his people, preparation would be a pointless waste of time and resources, (But it does not mean he won’t try…) and so focuses on making sure that Humanity don’t want to annihilate his people. Or the alternative which is a bigot who’s policies are far more likely to make the Human populace turn against his people, and who’s policies would end up with the Sangheili becoming impotent in galactic affairs.

Big news everyone! (Sorry Anton I didn’t read anything you just posted)

This is a direct statement from Game Informer:

"Having Elites in Multiplayer has been a big question on the mind of our developers, we can not say much now, but lets say it is a big surprise that we think the community as a whole will enjoy"

They’ve got something planned for us. I’m extremely anxious. Updating the OP now.

It is unneeded and a waste of development time. Also it only muddies up multiplayer.

First of all, the Gameinformer statement makes me very excited for the games multiplayer, and this definitely keeping me excited for the game.

Second- @napleonBlwnaprt-
If you are talking about the Elites, go away, you troll. You see how many people are in support, and you are one person who doesn’t care. Go away.

> Second- @napleonBlwnaprt-
> If you are talking about the Elites, go away, you troll. You see how many people are in support, and you are one person who doesn’t care. Go away.

I’m not trolling.

You’d really rather have 343 spending time on a useless game option than building a good multiplayer?

I hate this community sometimes.

So exited about the multiplayer surprise.

> Big news everyone! (Sorry Anton I didn’t read anything you just posted)
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> This is a direct statement from Game Informer:
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> "Having Elites in Multiplayer has been a big question on the mind of our developers, we can not say much now, but lets say it is a big surprise that we think the community as a whole will enjoy"
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> They’ve got something planned for us. I’m extremely anxious. Updating the OP now.

Question is, by “The whole community” do they mean “They’re taking elites out and replacing them with forerunners” Because thats what I’m afraid will happen…

> > Second- @napleonBlwnaprt-
> > If you are talking about the Elites, go away, you troll. You see how many people are in support, and you are one person who doesn’t care. Go away.
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> I’m not trolling.
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> You’d really rather have 343 spending time on a useless game option than building a good multiplayer?
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> I hate this community sometimes.

A useless game option huh, so its pointless to put Elites in it. Its not useless, if hundreds of thousand of fans appreciate the Elites as a playable character in multiplayer and a entire fan community has been built around them, but they are useless. Oh, and I said go away. People who troll go on topics they don’t like and express why they don’t like it and basically shove a middle finger in those peoples faces. Think before you speak next time. The majority is against you. You can hate the community all you want, we don’t care.

> (Sorry Anton I didn’t read anything you just posted)

Yeah well that’s fine, you do that then. I’ll remember. :wink:

> > > Meh. ‘Telcam is an idiot who would lead the Sangheili to a bloody end, and in the best case scenario to a stagnant dystopia whilst the rest of the galaxy fires on ahead up the technology tiers. His statements are logical fallacies that a 3 year old could dismantle.
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> > If you look at the bestarium, the Sangheili were one of the only species to become space faring without assistance. Elites have the smarts, and 'Telcam is trying to do it the right way so in case anything else happens, they are completely and fully independent.
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> The Sangheili and San’Shyuum reverse engineered forerunner tech that they mined from their planetary moons. Humans are the only ones to Reach that status without any technological assistance. Now that we do, I can’t wait to see what the Halo 4 story line is going to be like. The humans are strong again and now that we have more Spartans and drugs available to further advance ourselves and technology, the Sangheili would be foolish to attack the humans.

no Sangheili didnt reverse engineer Forerunner tech, they thought of it as against their riligion to reverse engineer forerunner tech. until they created the Covenant (to keep peace with the San Shyum) all Forerunner artifacts were left untouched and worshipped

I might just make an Elite machinima on halo 4 (if they have them in).

> I might just make an Elite machinima on halo 4 (if they have them in).

thats why i want Brutes in it. then you could do Halo 3-Halo 4 era Machinimas, wih Spartans and Elites teamed up and Brute enemies

> > I might just make an Elite machinima on halo 4 (if they have them in).
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> thats why i want Brutes in it. then you could do Halo 3-Halo 4 era Machinimas, wih Spartans and Elites teamed up and Brute enemies

You know what, if Elites are in multi player, I would LOVE Brutes to be in it as well. They would get down-sized but I’d just had to deal with it.

> Big news everyone! (Sorry Anton I didn’t read anything you just posted)
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> This is a direct statement from Game Informer:
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> "Having Elites in Multiplayer has been a big question on the mind of our developers, we can not say much now, but lets say it is a big surprise that we think the community as a whole will enjoy"
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> They’ve got something planned for us. I’m extremely anxious. Updating the OP now.

It might be just me, but I don’t like the word “surprise”. Elites aren’t exactly a surprise; they have been in almost every Halo multiplayer. They might mean that they are replacing Elites with something else.