Sangheili (Elites) In New Trilogy Matchmaking (Part 1)

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> > > The problem with the implementation of elites in multiplayer is the balancing 343 can claim it is resources, but it’s clearly not. It is a combination of laziness and a task that would require a lot of testing. Elites would need something that is not Spartan abilities, that would balance out the power of Spartan abilities. They would also need to balance the fact that the elites would have different shaped, and larger hit boxes. I propose that elites get a bit more health, move faster, and get evade as a replacement for the Spartan dodge thruster. But they would need to test that to see if it would balance the game to a point that is satisfactory.
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> > I don’t really see that many people use ground pound (self included) so in my opinion elites wouldn’t need it.
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> > Thruster evade could be the role evade like reach had.
> > Shoulder bash could be same thing I guess, just with no thrusters.
> > Stabalize (which I don’t use) could be like a jet pack.
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That would be cool too.:+1:t2:

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> So it seems that Sangheili will indeed not be playable in Halo 4 Matchmaking due to a ‘canonical matchmaking experience’. I will refrain from stating my opinion on the idea of attempting to make Matchmaking canonical, but the opportunity to have Elites playable is still not forever erased. There is no doubt that this thread has been noticed by at least a few 343 Industries employees. It is the top thread in the Halo 4 Forum, and was mentioned in one of the Q&A Updates. Unfortunately, we have lost the first battle. Elites will not be playable in Multiplayer on the original Halo 4 shipping disc. However there is still time for 343 Industries to listen to their fans.
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> It may be possible to include elite player models in future Downloadable Content, depending on the layout of the Halo 4 engine. If this is not possible, do not lose faith. If 343 Industries wants to be known as one of the few developers that listens to their fans, they will most certainly incorporate elites as playable characters in Halo 5 & 6. With this being the most popular thread on this forum and holding that title, it seems to be one favor that the fans are wishing to see fulfilled. I comprehend that 343 Industries wanted to make this “their Halo” and not “Bungie’s Halo”, and I respect that philosophy, but this does not mean that all core elements should be pushed to the wayside. This is one core element of Halo Matchmaking that should never be pushed to the wayside.
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> Jaime Griesemer: “I’d much rather experiment and do something surprising, and not have everybody appreciate it, than just turn the crank and do another alien war movie with a space marine”
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> This is a quote from Jamie Griesemer regarding the criticism that the Arbiter’s missions in Halo 2 received. So 343 Industries wisely took the information from the fans about this and created the “Spartan Identity” for Halo 4. Unfortunately the Sangheili population has grown much larger since Halo 2. My identity in Halo, and many others, is an elite. It is not going to be a pleasant experience having to change my identity for Halo 4, but if we stick it out, we may be rewarded.
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> Below is the original post written on March 5th, 2012 containing many reasons why the Sangheili community has grown and the importance of their inclusion.
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> -ORIGINAL POST-
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> Without jumping to conclusions, I understand that Sangheili have neither been confirmed or denied for the Multiplayer of Halo 4, but I would like to present my explanation for why it is imperative Elites make a return, much more dignified than the limitations of Reach.
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> It is no doubt the Elite community within Halo is small, but having been involved with it for 6 and half years now, I am astounded at it’s growth. As more Halo media like The Return, Halo: Cole Protocol, and Halo: Glasslands makes it’s way to the gamer, the more compelled the gamer is to prefer playing as an Elite over a Spartan. Especially when the media makes reference to things found on a game level, such as Thel 'Vadam or the Revenant. Although that sounds like a very basic and broad way to explain this, after speaking with the populous of newly converted “Elite players”, this is the general reason I get for this exponential growth. To make this point, I ask you to look around, and in nearly every thread you will see at least one or two users with Elite or Covenant avatars.
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> 343i, I would like you to recognize that we are here collectively, and we deserve the respect and catered opinions just as much as the Spartan fanbase. Although extreme, I know players who actually will not buy Halo 4 if they are not available in Matchmaking, and I cannot say I blame them. What would Halo be without Covenant Weapons/Vehicles as well? Energy Swords, Needlers, and Wraiths are all iconic symbols of what makes Halo, Halo.
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> The limitations of playing as an Elite in Halo Reach are indeed disheartening. Going back to the Halo 3 method of playing as an elite during regular Matchmaking can be the solution. Not only does that add to the customization, but it can also be explained canonically. I understand that 343i is in the process of delivering a canonical explanation for the Red and Blue Spartans fighting each other. The relationship between Humans and Sangheili can be used to add Elites into this mix. Since the UNSC and the Sangheili are allied, having them use human weapons is anything but non-canon. Or if you would like to take the reverse side of the coin, ONI is supplying the Servants of Abiding Truth with weaponry, which is human as well. This can easily be weaved into the plot without creating a mess.
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> I understand the game is very far into the development stage, I do not know for sure, but judging by the newest ViDoc, I believe it isn’t too late to give the Elite fanbase a voice. We’re here, we shouldn’t be neglected, and if we are, I can assure you that 343i will lose a great deal of supporters.
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> > Please Sign (Thank This Post) If You Agree.

Man guys I went back and read the original post. it’s sad to say that matman will definitely be disappointed by the current state of halo, seeing as how 343 makes a Canon multiplayer that completely ignores it’s canon. Hmmmm… Wonder if that’s why he never posted again after page 375 maybe he just got tired of not having elites and left halo.

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> I still don’t see why elites need their own abilities.

I honestly only like the dodge thruster and clamber, I feel they should scrap the rest. But the thing with elites is they need those new abilities that 343 added in order to have the same power as Spartans. It’s a balancing issue.

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> > I still don’t see why elites need their own abilities.
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> I honestly only like the dodge thruster and clamber, I feel they should scrap the rest. But the thing with elites is they need those new abilities that 343 added in order to have the same power as Spartans. It’s a balancing issue.

Plus (technically speaking) elites had clamber long before Spartans did.

I mean I started at Halo: CE and I played all of them, when hands switched from Bungie to 343 I was faithful, but I have reached a point where I’m sitting waiting for Halo 6, and the bottom line is if there are no playable elites, I won’t buy it. It sounds stupid, but that little bit of diversity in hit boxes adds a challenge in where you need to aim, and Halo multiplayer for me is now too easy, and mundane. I hope Halo 6 won’t end my love that started with the first.

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> I mean I started at Halo: CE and I played all of them, when hands switched from Bungie to 343 I was faithful, but I have reached a point where I’m sitting waiting for Halo 6, and the bottom line is if there are no playable elites, I won’t buy it. It sounds stupid, but that little bit of diversity in hit boxes adds a challenge in where you need to aim, and Halo multiplayer for me is now too easy, and mundane. I hope Halo 6 won’t end my love that started with the first.

Prepare to be disappointed like the OP was.

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> > I still don’t see why elites need their own abilities.
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> I honestly only like the dodge thruster and clamber, I feel they should scrap the rest. But the thing with elites is they need those new abilities that 343 added in order to have the same power as Spartans. It’s a balancing issue.

What about sprint?

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> > > I still don’t see why elites need their own abilities.
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Sprint is a given that looks like it will be in future Halo games that elites and Spartans can have.

I have to agree. The Elites and Spartans can always share the same abilities to.

343 please at least acknowledge this post.

The fact that 343 seems to have ignored this post for a few years now realllllllllyyyy pisses me off and makes it seems like they only care about their oh so special mlg players on the other half of the community that wants fun stuff in halo. To be honest I’m suprised we even got infection. Speaking of that was only a recent topic since it was in halo 4. Soooooo kinda bs that 343 never really said anything about this.

There is also the fact that 343 seemingly doesn’t give two -Yoink- that the op of this thread as well as a few other people have either left halo or just 343’s halo. Again, kinda bs.

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> 343 please at least acknowledge this post.
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> The fact that 343 seems to have ignored this post for a few years now realllllllllyyyy pisses me off and makes it seems like they only care about their oh so special mlg players on the other half of the community that wants fun stuff in halo. To be honest I’m suprised we even got infection. Speaking of that was only a recent topic since it was in halo 4. Soooooo kinda bs that 343 never really said anything about this.

That is because they do only care about their mlg players. Just look at what they did to Spartan customization, never mind the fact that they won’t even acknowledge the fact that people want the sangheili back in multiplayer.

If a 610 page thread won’t even get a response I don’t think anything will… Just goes to show how much 343 really cares.

Bungie please save us.

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> There is also the fact that 343 seemingly doesn’t give two -Yoink- that the op of this thread as well as a few other people have either left halo or just 343’s halo. Again, kinda bs.

I agree this thread is really old and the fact that it is still alive says something. But sadly although it’s now canonical, and there is a big group that wants it. 343 is simply unwilling to go through the process of balancing elites for multiplayer.

Guys, be honest. The elites make matchmaking unbalanced. Halo 2 Anniversary made it painfully clear how much of an easier target Elites are. You are left with a much more serious matchmaking experience the way 343 returned to halo’s MP roots: CE. No loadouts, no pre game advantages and no completely different character models. Just really basic but fun customization! IF they would make elites playable, it should be in social playlist only I reckon.

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> Guys, be honest. The elites make matchmaking unbalanced. Halo 2 Anniversary made it painfully clear how much of an easier target Elites are. You are left with a much more serious matchmaking experience the way 343 returned to halo’s MP roots: CE. No loadouts, no pre game advantages and no completely different character models. Just really basic but fun customization! IF they would make elites playable, it should be in social playlist only I reckon.

Um literally anyone who plays as an elite does not give a -Yoink- about that. And besides, the bigger they are, the harder they are to put down. Also fun fact when the elites
in halo 1 said wort wort wort it was them saying go go go but backwards.

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> Guys, be honest. The elites make matchmaking unbalanced. Halo 2 Anniversary made it painfully clear how much of an easier target Elites are. You are left with a much more serious matchmaking experience the way 343 returned to halo’s MP roots: CE. No loadouts, no pre game advantages and no completely different character models. Just really basic but fun customization! IF they would make elites playable, it should be in social playlist only I reckon.

Since I believe matchmaking is already way too serious and only catered to the “ProMLG1337eSports” crowd already I say bring it on. It mixes up the extremely boring and mundane continuous cycle that is Halo 5’s competitive multiplayer.

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> Guys, be honest. The elites make matchmaking unbalanced. Halo 2 Anniversary made it painfully clear how much of an easier target Elites are. You are left with a much more serious matchmaking experience the way 343 returned to halo’s MP roots: CE. No loadouts, no pre game advantages and no completely different character models. Just really basic but fun customization! IF they would make elites playable, it should be in social playlist only I reckon.

Warzone ff would be a perfect place for them.

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> If a 610 page thread won’t even get a response I don’t think anything will… Just goes to show how much 343 really cares.
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> Bungie please save us.

Does somebody know how to contact them directly? (Facebook and twitter only) individual contacts and tell them to bring back multiplayer elites that are just as customizable as spartans and playable as such. As well as to bring dual wielding and split screen back. Contact Frankie (cranky) O’conner especially, since he’s supposed to be running the show. This has gone too far and shouldn’t be just ignored anymore. Repost if you have to, if enough people do it, they’ll get ticked off and most likely just quit what they’re doing or actually listen to the demands. (doubt those idiots will quit, but it’ll surely infuriate them).
If you find contact info (twitter and Facebook, nothing else too personal, unless it’s the front desk number of 343, then by all means, post it here), and basically spam it with the fans’ request to bring Elites back! If you won’t do it, I understand, but I’m tired of the crap… especially about catering to MLG (-Yoink- bags) players, that shouldn’t be tolerated, block all jerks online.

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> > > 343 please at least acknowledge this post.
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> > > The fact that 343 seems to have ignored this post for a few years now realllllllllyyyy pisses me off and makes it seems like they only care about their oh so special mlg players on the other half of the community that wants fun stuff in halo. To be honest I’m suprised we even got infection. Speaking of that was only a recent topic since it was in halo 4. Soooooo kinda bs that 343 never really said anything about this.
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> > Bungie please save us.
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> Does somebody know how to contact them directly? (Facebook and twitter only) individual contacts and tell them to bring back multiplayer elites that are just as customizable as spartans and playable as such. As well as to bring dual wielding and split screen back. Contact Frankie (cranky) O’conner especially, since he’s supposed to be running the show. This has gone too far and shouldn’t be just ignored anymore. Repost if you have to, if enough people do it, they’ll get ticked off and most likely just quit what they’re doing or actually listen to the demands. (doubt those idiots will quit, but it’ll surely infuriate them).
> If you find contact info (twitter and Facebook, nothing else too personal, unless it’s the front desk number of 343, then by all means, post it here), and basically spam it with the fans’ request to bring Elites back! If you won’t do it, I understand, but I’m tired of the crap… especially about catering to MLG (-Yoink- bags) players, that shouldn’t be tolerated, block all jerks online.

This sounds like a reasonable action. /s
Acting like a child won’t work. 343 has seen this thread. Either the will add playable Elites in H6 or, most likely, they won’t. 343 is dead set on Halo being a serious competitive game. That’s why the ban system is ridiculously strict, and we have very little social playlists.

Bungie please don’t come back!
You gave us amazing gifts but now you’re a wreck now and since you don’t want to make halo anymore you’ll half -Yoink- it even more.
But 343 really needs to acknowledge this thread…but stay strong brothers!
As long as we keep our voices heard 343 will have to acknowledge us!
We don’t need de-flowered companies to help us!
We Sangheili are a proud and independent race, never forget that!
For Sanghelios!