Sangheili (Elites) In New Trilogy Matchmaking (Part 1)

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> I am an Elite.
> To answer those two questions, I must refer back to my original statement. Because I am an Elite. That is the answer to a lot of riddles; **Because I am an Elite, I am mocked.**Because I am an Elite, I am forbidden to play real MLG. Because I am an Elite, many people ignore my opinion. Because I am an Elite, I am as the title says… consigned to obscurity.
> I’ve been a member of the Halo community for a l…The Warriors were the largest, holding several hundred members, but they’re gone - vanished. I don’t know if they still operate.
> We’ve always been the enemy in some way. In Halo 1, we were the screaming, babbling, bloodthirsty alien monsters that you filled with bullets. Occasionally we carried a sword. Often we died, usually we killed some of your Marines, every now and then we killed you. Back then I thought Elites were cool, but my heart was with the Chief. In Halo 2, we became hunch-backed, hulking brutes - but we spoke. It gave us a culture and vivid personality. Suddenly people could see through our eyes. And we were playable! I was an instant fan, and so were many others. But then came the discovery that we were gimped, and everyone hated us again. Elites were noobs, Elites were ugly, Elites were dumb. Now Halo 3 has arrived, and we’ve been playing it six months. There’s been little recovery in our numbers, even after the handicap has been fixed. Though people who once stereotyped us have grown up since Halo 3 came out, and Halo players in general have become more accepting. But this is the final stage. Halo 3 will presumably be the cemetary for traditional Halo clans.
> And Elites have never had a halcyon day.
> There are a variety of reasons why someone might be an Elite, all of them depending on the person who has made the choice. Maybe you like how they look. Maybe you like their culture. Maybe you’ve seen the Elite community and you’ve got friends there, so you switched…We’re here, and we’re slowly dying
> [sadly this is true now because 343 and everyone else killed us…] I’m done, I may not even get H5. I’ll stay on reach to be able to play as the Sangheili.
> sorry for any grammatical errors.

W. T. F.
I’m sorry, but… WTF. I think I just lost a good portion of my brain cells.

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My point being we connect with the Sangheili and we believe it has transcended the player model. It’s an icon like the Spartans and has deep lore. We model our selves after them we strive to be the BEST in gameplay to dominate the lesser competitiv compatan Spartans. You’re dooming player diversity,elite clans, Machinima’s, and the role play aspect. The halo community is dying because of 343. This is a fact and I for one will not stand for it as they side with lesser creatures.

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Good I hope all you’re brain cells die so you’ll be brain dead.

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> Guys, get over it. It DOESNT matter what you look like to other players. Its one thing if you want the elites to be a bigger part of the campaign story. I’d understand that, because that makes sense. But for multiplayer, who the hell cares??
> Its a mode where you play against each other and try to win. Thats the only reason for the existence of multiplayer mode.

That’s your view on multiplayer, and it does not represent how everyone else feels about it. If you ask me, multiplayer has another purpose and that is to meet other players. Of course, we aren’t actually in the game, so we are given the option to make our own characters and customize them in a way that makes them distinguishable from other players. In case you didn’t notice, there has been an uproar over 343 limiting armor customization to helmets, torso pieces, and visor color. As a general rule of thumb, players want to have many customization options so that they feel unique. Looking at your profile picture, I can see that you have the ODST helmet in Halo 4. It does not come with the game, you must have paid for it through DLC. So I assume that you understand the value of having choices in customization.We want to have playable Elites because we feel that having that option made us especially unique and it was aesthetically pleasing to play as an alien. We are upset because 343 has not included this option despite the fact that we have asked for it, and yet they’ve added other things that no one has asked for such as weapon skins. Not to mention that having different playable species opens up many creative opportunities for Machinima and gametypes like Invasion.

Speaking of which, the concept of capturing bases reminds me of checkpoints from Invasion. It’s given me an idea of a Spartans Vs Elites variant of Warzone. Should 343 change their minds, they could add in this game mode and give the Elites differences such as having grunts and/or jackals defending Elite-controlled bases instead of marines.

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> I understand 343 wants this to be based on the Spartans and to keep the game play balanced but why not have it like reach? I’m sorry but I’m sad 343…a community of people that I shared memories with is dying. You killed the Sangheili community
> i will now post a comment by Erdu Cololee an Elite player from halo 2. He had this to say.
> I am an Elite.
> That is probably the first thing you noticed about me. The second thing you probably noticed is that I’ve written a massive wall of text… I acknowledge that. And you also know I’m not a legend - Most of you probably haven’t heard of me. Why is that, exactly? I have my own niche in the Halo community. I have a fairly good reputation. -snip-
> [sadly this is true now because 343 and everyone else killed us…] I’m done, I may not even get H5. I’ll stay on reach to be able to play as the Sangheili.
> sorry for any grammatical errors.

Lol, wow!..
Probably not the best way to get this issue to be taken seriously.

EDIT: Just saw DeepCee’s warning up above. My apologies if my post contributed…

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Guys, let’s keep this thread alive and stay on topic. If this thread is locked, Waypoint will be super boring, so let’s not veer off topic too much, ok my brothers.

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I quite disagree. The thread is about playable Elites, and that’s exactly what we’re still talking about. Now if we were beginning to talk SOLELY about playable Prometheans, then we’d have a problem. I’m failing to understand why you care now anyway considering it supposedly went “off topic” a few months back, and nobody cared.

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> I quite disagree. The thread is about playable Elites. We’re still talking about playable Elites. Now if we were talking about SOLELY playable Prometheans, then we’d have a problem. Not for sure why you care now anyway considering it supposedly went “off topic” a few months back, and nobody cared.

I think he was talking more about the species re-assignment surgery post-op sob story.

My take on the whole thing is that Elites in MP was handled the best in Reach. They were more than just a skin and the gametypes (Invasion, Elite Slayer) were a lot of fun.

If it gets locked, I’ll make a second thread unless someone else does it first.

Now that thats said, now to actually be on topic itself. People are debating on rather having Elites be equal to Spartans like Halo 2, H2A and Halo 3, or having them uneven in Halo: Reach. I say why not both? Having playable Elites in Halo 5 DLC (or Halo 6) with Elites being hunched over in Arena or BTB game modes like in Halo 3 and have them standing up taller in unbalanced game modes like Warzone or Invasion like how Elites stood up taller in Halo: Reach. The answer is so simple, and it would make both sides happy :slight_smile:

Except for the Elite haters that just hate customization variety :frowning:

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Please stop threatening 343, I don’t agree with their decision in this matter either, but this is taking it way too far.

Sorry if I’m off topic

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My only problem with playable Elites in the Reach MP is that the playlists were inconsistent. Playing Invasion meant you could only be an Elite half of the time (sometimes not at all), and NO ONE ever voted for Elite Slayer. Now if a playlist for Spartans vs Elites and a playlists for Elites alone were to be implemented, then I’d be all for it.

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I agree, Reach was definitely the best version of Elites, with that said though it was extremely flawed as with any games with Elites. I think most people would find that if you brought Invasion from Reach to Halo 5 for example that it would be quite popular, not because of the Elite factor but more because of the Gametype itself. The physical structure of Elites, aka their hit box, is not conducive to competitive game play which is key to having a long last game that is recognized for years with community support. If Elites & Spartans were the exact same physical structure like the COG and Locust are in Gears then it wouldn’t matter to me if Elites were in the game. I know how passionate people are about having Elites in the game i’m not discounting that but if we want Halo to be looked at in the same light as a LoL or CoD a focus oncompetitive has to be at the forefront, 343i understands this it’s exactly why they have Pro Team, but Elites are never going to help with competitive so they shouldn’t be apart of any future game apart from a story aspect.

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I disagree. I believe having to adapt to a new target and employ a different strategy will only go to make the game more competitive. Besides, Elites don’t need to be on the forefront of competitive Halo multiplayer. Confining them to social playlists won’t hurt anybody.

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> I am an Elite.
> That is probably the first thing you noticed about me. The second thing you probably noticed is that I’ve written a massive wall of text… I acknowledge that. And you also know I’m not a legend - Most of you probably haven’t heard of me. Why is that, exactly? I have my own niche in the Halo community. I have a fairly good reputation. I’m one of the leaders of a clan that has roots in the late days of Halo 2 and even earlier. And yet, you probably haven’t heard of any of my clan members, or even the name of my clan. But this isn’t about my clan, and it isn’t about just myself.
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> To answer those two questions, I must refer back to my original statement. Because I am an Elite. That is the answer to a lot of riddles; Because I am an Elite, I am mocked. Because I am an Elite, I am forbidden to play real MLG. Because I am an Elite, many people ignore my opinion. Because I am an Elite, I am as the title says… consigned to obscurity.
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> I’ve been a member of the Halo community for a long time. This clan that I’ve helped raise is, by Sangheili clan standards, one of or perhaps the largest active clan of Elites. If I were a Spartan, that would mean something. If I were a Spartan, and my clan was large by Spartan standards, I would have ten thousand members, and perhaps eventually people would start adding “SG” to their gamertags even though they’re not in the clan. Recall KSI, maybe. We might have been like that. I’d hope not - KSI didn’t go well. We might have done better, we might not have. But I won’t get the chance to see that day, never. Why not? Because my target audience is the Elite community. Because it’s “dumb to be a dinosaur,” because “Elite r 4 nubs.”
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> When did this happen? Halo 2? Must be. Back when Bungie screwed up and gave Elites a disadvantage. Suddenly, being an Elite made you an outcast. You were never taken seriously, people trashtalked you, and the Elite community shrank by the thousands. A few clans persevered. Not many. It was hard to find members. It was even harder to find members who are dedicated enough to ride out the storm of criticism.
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> Today, 4 percent of the Halo Community is composed of Elites. Maybe 5 percent. Today, a handful of clans dominate the Elite community - The Sovereign Guard, Unyielding Legion, Warriors of the Prophets, the Ascetics… But their member count is laughable considering the claim of “domination” they hold with us. Tens of members. Maybe more than a hundred. The Warriors were the largest, holding several hundred members, but they’re gone - vanished. I don’t know if they still operate.
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> We’ve always been the enemy in some way. In Halo 1, we were the screaming, babbling, bloodthirsty alien monsters that you filled with bullets. Occasionally we carried a sword. Often we died, usually we killed some of your Marines, every now and then we killed you. Back then I thought Elites were cool, but my heart was with the Chief. In Halo 2, we became hunch-backed, hulking brutes - but we spoke. It gave us a culture and vivid personality. Suddenly people could see through our eyes. And we were playable! I was an instant fan, and so were many others. But then came the discovery that we were gimped, and everyone hated us again. Elites were noobs, Elites were ugly, Elites were dumb. Now Halo 3 has arrived, and we’ve been playing it six months. There’s been little recovery in our numbers, even after the handicap has been fixed. Though people who once stereotyped us have grown up since Halo 3 came out, and Halo players in general have become more accepting. But this is the final stage. Halo 3 will presumably be the cemetary for traditional Halo clans.
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> There are a variety of reasons why someone might be an Elite, all of them depending on the person who has made the choice. Maybe you like how they look. Maybe you like their culture. Maybe you’ve seen the Elite community and you’ve got friends there, so you switched. In the end, they are not strong enough reasons for most. Public opinion is a powerful thing. Gradually, Elites are losing their dedication and there are no Spartans switching over to replace them. These clans are for the hardcore - part-time Elites are generally not welcome. Our pool of candidate members is ever shrinking, never growing.
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> Besides, we “take the game too seriously.” Our clans are full of “losers who don’t have a life.” Or so public opinion would hold. Some of you probably agree with those ideas just by reading what I have to say. Why should I care? It’s a game, right? I should go outside and get some fresh air! I should get a girlfriend! I should get a job! I should get a life! Hahaha, yeah, I should. True enough. But the Halo community is always waiting for me when I’m done with real life at the end of that day, and I am far too indoctrinated - tied in by the powerful binds of friendships, enjoyment, promises made to my brothers here - to pack up and leave now. Maybe someday when Halo 3 is dead and gone this community will only be a memory. Right now, however, my feet are planted firmly in it.
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> What’s this thread for? I don’t know. I just felt like writing it. This is me reaching out from the fog and tapping the Spartan populus on the shoulder.
> We’re here, and we’re slowly dying
> [sadly this is true now because 343 and everyone else killed us…] I’m done, I may not even get H5. I’ll stay on reach to be able to play as the Sangheili.
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> Sorry for any grammatical errors.

That’s a sad story, luckily I never suffered any Elite racism during the golden days of Halo 3, or at least none that I can recall. Halo: Reach, I think I might of had a few Elite racists. Never played Halo 2 on Live until MCC so I have no experience or knowledge of how we were treated there.

If there is anything 343 has learned here today, (or at least one moderator) it’s that we don’t want to be left out of another Halo multplayer game again.

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Exactly, having them in only Social playlists is acceptable, at least we get to play as them. Take some notes 343, Arena Slayer or CTF as playable Elites would be awesome :slight_smile:

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In my opinion as someone who as played competitively, competitive game play has nothing to do with having a different strategy does it make a difference yes but it’s not the end all be all, because the simple fact of the matter and it’s something you neglect to realize is that the game should come down to who has the better shot aka who is most skilled rather than whether you were a Spartan or Elite, which happened more often than not in any game that has had playable Elites. I can employ millions of strategies to Spartan vs Spartan combat but by adding more possibilities it doesn’t make it more competitive what makes a game more competitive how important gun skill is.

If you add something to a game that then is only used in certain circumstances so in your example Social playlists is it really necessary? Sure it wouldn’t hurt anyone but what happens if H5 is like the MCC where you now only really have around 4 or 5 playlists that aren’t ranked why waste resources on making Elites? Especially if it’s only for a small portion of the game and let’s say you confine someone to using only elites in social and then that playlist has a ranked version of it like Reach did and that person wants to play as an Elite they then obviously can’t which may deter them from playing ranked which then reduces the pool of players to draw in. What i could see happening and what i think should happen, is with Veil introduced as a character i think armor sets or pieces of MP should have Elite features to them or Elite Styles. This would then not draw from the competitive aspect but also would allow people who want Elites to at least stylize their armor to look close enough to Elites without ruining the game play experience.

Playable Elites in Halo 5 Matchmaking would make the competition even more competitive in fact. Players would have to beware of Spartans and Elites, not just Spartans. Just Spartans is too easy honestly. I want a challenge. There is still time, over a month. H5 matchmaking could still be saved.

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Why are you challenging a monitor?

Do you think your little rant would be something beneficial

One of the settings is Sanghelios
The Arbiter returns
Swords of Sanghelios return
One enemy group is the Storm Remnant
New Sangheili weapon the Energy Spear
Female Elites appear
Jul Mdama is a confirmed villain

Halo 5 should have playable Elites on matchmaking. Look at all of this Sangheili yoink they’re adding! Yet, we can’t even be one like we used to, like we want to, like we love to? I’m sorry 343, but why? Balance, hitboxes, competition: are these more important than your fans, loyal to Halo since times of old? At least let us know you’re listening, let us know you hear us, let us know you care . A 343 official, post here and talk to us about why? If not here, pm me please. I just need a logical reason for my crushed dreams and memories. Please. Please 343, please.