Sangheili (Elites) In New Trilogy Matchmaking (Part 1)

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> > > Wow this thread is still going, why is playing as an elite such a big do to people. Im an elite in halo 2 but I completely forget till I go into a 3rd person view. You can’t even tell your an elite till you die or get in a vehicle so why is being an elite important? If you wanna kill elites in MP go play war zone.
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> > It’s literally the same reason customization is important… Would you play a Halo game without Recon armor or Chief’s helmet somewhere further down the list, even though you can’t see it unless you die?
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> > Theater mode allows you to watch your own gameplay. Obviously there is a market for people that want to play as 8ft tall ninja alien warriors instead of space marines, and there is a market for female gamers that want to play as female Spartans…
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> Unfortunately those who think we are making fuss for nothing will never understand no matter how many times you tell them.
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> Not everyone wants to play knight. Some would rather be the monster than fight the monster. sadly some of these guys will never get that memo.

That’s the Hard truth.

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> Playing as Elites is one of the greatest things to happen to halo.
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> This community’s loud minority has gotton so bad tot he point where it is the voice of the community. I’m actually grateful the Killer Instinct Community is not this bad.

You’re truth

Ironically someone told me I was not a true fan for skipping out on Halo 5 but let me break it down to it. If they say its true that Halo 5 is just a game then wouldn’t that mean I can choose not to buy or play the game because the game doesn’t have what I want? After all I’m speaking with my wallet here. If Halo 5 doesn’t have what I want (ie Split Screen and Playable Elites) I’d be wasting my money. I’m talking as a consumer here.

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> Ironically someone told me I was not a true fan for skipping out on Halo 5 but let me break it down to it. If they say its true that Halo 5 is just a game then wouldn’t that mean I can choose not to buy or play the game because the game doesn’t have what I want? After all I’m speaking with my wallet here. If Halo 5 doesn’t have what I want (ie Split Screen and Playable Elites) I’d be wasting my money. I’m talking as a consumer here.

I’m with you my brother. I will not purchase Halo 5 or an Xbox One if those two properties are absent.

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> > elites in halo4 that ship has sailed
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> This thread was made for Halo 4, but was moved to Halo 5 forums and renamed to reflect the desire to have the feature in any upcoming title.
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> > I like elites, but not in matchmaking
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> But we (The supporters of this thread) do. Should your opinion that they don’t belong in matchmaking outweigh our opinions that they do?

You (the supporters of this thread) like Elites in multiplayer, but should your strong opinion on a cosmetic skin outweigh the developers’ decision that adding them wasn’t the best use of available resources?

Also, if we’re talking about a larger quantity of opinions outweighing smaller quantity of opinions, can you provide any evidence that the majority want Elites to return? Then, how should they be implemented? Some want them to be equal to Spartans in MP and playable across the board while others want them to be represented as larger/stronger than Spartans. Who do you please in this sort of dilemma?

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Elite Petition For 343i (Please Sign)

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> Ironically someone told me I was not a true fan for skipping out on Halo 5 but let me break it down to it. If they say its true that Halo 5 is just a game then wouldn’t that mean I can choose not to buy or play the game because the game doesn’t have what I want? After all I’m speaking with my wallet here. If Halo 5 doesn’t have what I want (ie Split Screen and Playable Elites) I’d be wasting my money. I’m talking as a consumer here.

Were you called “not a true fan” because you decided to skip Halo 5 or because of your reasoning behind that decision? By all means, don’t buy the game if you don’t think it’s worth it. That’s your choice. It’s when you try to justify your decision to others that criticisms can arise, as different people have different values.

Again, make your own choices with your own money, but don’t complain about the merit (or lack thereof) that some people give towards your reasoning.

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You know it’s a good petition when it has a typo in it :stuck_out_tongue:
I also don’t see how playable Elites correspond to Stormtroopers (which can use the same animations, etc. as the Rebels) or how the absence of playable Elites was the root cause of Rooster Teeth not transitioning to H4 immediately, considering the other machinima-friendly additions lacking in the game (such as weapon-lowering while moving) and the way the story was going for RvB.

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Pretty sure these are against the rules. Might wanna take it down.

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I was the one who made that petition in the first place (and yes, I realize I made a spelling error. It happens) I did post it here, but it was blocked, so the person who did post it, I thank you for spreading it around, but It has to be taken down quickly before it gets removed and this thread gets blocked. That and the Stormtroopers thing was just an example.

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> > Ironically someone told me I was not a true fan for skipping out on Halo 5 but let me break it down to it. If they say its true that Halo 5 is just a game then wouldn’t that mean I can choose not to buy or play the game because the game doesn’t have what I want? After all I’m speaking with my wallet here. If Halo 5 doesn’t have what I want (ie Split Screen and Playable Elites) I’d be wasting my money. I’m talking as a consumer here.
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I don’t expect them to understand the reason/ some won’t even try a game because of its exclusivity. Some wont even try Killer Instinct because it was an Xbox One Exclusive.

Besides everyone has there own reason for not getting the game. For all we know some probably wont get Halo 5 because of sprint.

I honestly don’t care about Sprint or ADS, I only care about fully playable Sangheili. Those Playable Jiralhanae and Promethean forums have nothing on us.

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> > Playing as Elites is one of the greatest things to happen to halo.
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I’ve always played as en Elite when given the option to, but I’m not married to them. I enjoy playing as a Spartan as well. You know, because the game plays exactly the same… lol

So I’m kind of stuck in the middle of wanting elites back.

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> I honestly don’t care about Sprint or ADS, I only care about fully playable Sangheili. Those Playable Jiralhanae and Promethean forums have nothing on us.

If Elites w4ere playable I wouldn’t care about sprints.

It is a matter of choice, not submitting to all of the hierarchies desires. As Ur-Didact once said, “All in life is choice, and your day to choose has come.”

It would appear I have been gone far too long.

Nonetheless, now that I have returned, I feel it my place as a Sangheili faithful to pass judgment upon the company who calls themselves 343 industries. For all intents and purposes, from my point of view.

When I heard the heart piercing news on that fateful day, when I heard of the fate Sangheili were to have within Halo 5, I was shattered. I tried many times to manifest a post that could effectively relay my feelings on this matter, only to fail again and again. I have spent the last month so emotionally compromised, my words have failed me.

But no more.

I stand once again in the presence of this community, a community that, despite the treachery of others, has stood strong and unmoved. I stand once again before you my Sangheili brethren to offer my words of encouragement. Bear with me, as I have much to say.

When it comes to Halo there are two things more important than any factor implemented within the game; Story and gameplay. These two should always take priority over anything else regardless. 343 Industries has promised that these two factors shall be the largest, most crucial part of Halo 5. They have promised us epic scale, epic worlds, and epic battles. From what has been shown to us at E3 and otherwise, this would appear to be true. When Frank O’Connor told us that playable Elites were cut due to a lack of resources and development time, I was at first incredibly frustrated, and so were many other Sangheili faithful. Believe me when I say I completely understand. Playable Elites should have been on the list of priorities. But perhaps it was just too much to handle. Had playable Elites been implemented, there is a chance that contributions to Halo 5’s story and gameplay may have suffered. Even BTB is being released post launch due to the incredibly ambitious nature of Halo 5. Keep in mind I’m only theorizing as to why something that is obviously very important to many Halo fans, something they had three years time to develop, is being overlooked.

I have also seen that many of you plan on foregoing purchase on this latest installment in the Halo franchise. Believe me when I say you have every right to do so. You are not any less of a Halo fan then those who refuse purchase because of the sprint mechanic, or splitscreen functionality. I chose not to buy Halo 4 initially, does that mean I hate Halo? Does that mean I’m not a true fan? No, it only means I did not see the installment as a worthy purchase. I still love Halo, and I still do. Do not heed the words of these naysayers who would destroy your morale. The fact that you’re still here only goes to show how much of a Halo fan you truly are.

And as for my plan?

I will purchase the standard edition of Halo 5. If the game’s story and gameplay deliver far beyond expectations, then I will forgive 343 of past transgressions. If however either one or both of the aforementioned is lacking and/or inadequate then my opinions of 343 will have not changed. I will dedicate no more of my time to Halo 5. Even so, without playable Elites in Halo 5’s multiplayer environment, I doubt the game will be able to hold me for more than a few weeks. Despite the current status of Sangheili inclusion with Halo 5’s multiplayer, some of you have shown me a great light at the end, albeit a fading one: the addition of playable Elites post launch via downloadable content. Not only is this option a probability, but it is also a possibility. I do not foresee the implementation of playable Elite DLC to be a harrowing or difficult task. Whether or not the DLC includes elaborate customization or armor sets, playability in all aspects of multiplayer, or a few gametypes/modes, it matters not to me. As long as I can take on the aspect of a glorious Sangheili warrior in Halo 5’s multiplayer nothing else matters.

In the mean time, I will continue to make contributions to this community, here and elsewhere. (As often as I can, when occasion permits.) Now is not the time to give in or give up. No, now is the time for us to show 343 industries that even in the face of despair and hopelessness, we continue fighting for what we believe in. Our efforts may be in vain, and we may not get the chance to play as a Sangheili in a long time, but it would be better to fail knowing we tried rather than knowing we hid.

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> holy -Yoink- this thread is freaking long.

Its been going since Halo 4 till elite are added we will keep going strong.

#Bringbackelites! Wort Wort Wort. I think te reason 343i removed Sangheli from Halo5 was because of the inequality of the races. Hitbox, speed, abilities, etc. 343, you guys can fix this easily. Just give the Elites their own set if abilities: Elite abilities. Cloak, clamber, charge, Kick, or something. Even Sangheli banter would be excellent. Hearing thousands of WORT WORT WORTs would make my life. This idea could further unequalize the two races, but thus is fixable by having a settings menu where you may select an all-spartan or all-Sangheli option. All players will be affected by this. That way, if a map is created that requires thrusters, just choose all-Spartans, problem fixed. If that is unacceptable, why not give Elites Spartan abilities. I know this might be Heresy among the Developers, but just think about it. The diversity of the previous Halo games, yet the new age of the Halo 5 tech. It’s a glorious thought to ponder. This last bit is not as important but is still vital. Playable Knights would be awesome. The new Halo megabloks featured Spartan sized Prometheans. You guys already set up the perfect money making game. A strategic shooter. The player must choose carefully which species he or she would like to be. Each species has its own perks and drawbacks. This will make sure the game is VERY diverse and can grab an audience of different races, cultures, beliefs, and strategies. COD doesn’t offer this, neither does Battle field. You guys would keep your title of best shooter game. I don’t even know if you guys are seeing this, but please take it under consideration. It would bring back many fans who quit on you guys, my brothers, and lure in new fans to further bump up the rise of the 343i empire. I haven’t lost Faith in you guys; I know you care about what we the fans think. That’s why we love you. I hope you love us enough to listen to what we wa-… no… what we need. Peace be with you. #Bringbackelites

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> #Bringbackelites! Wort Wort Wort. I think te reason 343i removed Sangheli from Halo5 was because of the inequality of the races. Hitbox, speed, abilities, etc. 343, you guys can fix this easily. Just give the Elites their own set if abilities: Elite abilities. Cloak, clamber, charge, Kick, or something. Even Sangheli banter would be excellent. Hearing thousands of WORT WORT WORTs would make my life. This idea could further unequalize the two races, but thus is fixable by having a settings menu where you may select an all-spartan or all-Sangheli option. All players will be affected by this. That way, if a map is created that requires thrusters, just choose all-Spartans, problem fixed. If that is unacceptable, why not give Elites Spartan abilities. I know this might be Heresy among the Developers, but just think about it. The diversity of the previous Halo games, yet the new age of the Halo 5 tech. It’s a glorious thought to ponder. This last bit is not as important but is still vital. Playable Knights would be awesome. The new Halo megabloks featured Spartan sized Prometheans. You guys already set up the perfect money making game. A strategic shooter. The player must choose carefully which species he or she would like to be. Each species has its own perks and drawbacks. This will make sure the game is VERY diverse and can grab an audience of different races, cultures, beliefs, and strategies. COD doesn’t offer this, neither does Battle field. You guys would keep your title of best shooter game. I don’t even know if you guys are seeing this, but please take it under consideration. It would bring back many fans who quit on you guys, my brothers, and lure in new fans to further bump up the rise of the 343i empire. I haven’t lost Faith in you guys; I know you care about what we the fans think. That’s why we love you. I hope you love us enough to listen to what we wa-… no… what we need. Peace be with you. #Bringbackelites

Actually no. The reason for Elites not being in MP was because they didn’t want to take more time during the current development of the game. They said that anything in development requires commitment. Which means that people are going to be wanting them for future content in Halo 5.

It had nothing to do with balance, hitboxes, story ect.

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> #Bringbackelites! Wort Wort Wort. I think te reason 343i removed Sangheli from Halo5 was because of the inequality of the races. Hitbox, speed, abilities, etc. 343, you guys can fix this easily. Just give the Elites their own set if abilities: Elite abilities. Cloak, clamber, charge, Kick, or something. Even Sangheli banter would be excellent. Hearing thousands of WORT WORT WORTs would make my life. This idea could further unequalize the two races, but thus is fixable by having a settings menu where you may select an all-spartan or all-Sangheli option. All players will be affected by this. That way, if a map is created that requires thrusters, just choose all-Spartans, problem fixed. If that is unacceptable, why not give Elites Spartan abilities. I know this might be Heresy among the Developers, but just think about it. The diversity of the previous Halo games, yet the new age of the Halo 5 tech. It’s a glorious thought to ponder. This last bit is not as important but is still vital. Playable Knights would be awesome. The new Halo megabloks featured Spartan sized Prometheans. You guys already set up the perfect money making game. A strategic shooter. The player must choose carefully which species he or she would like to be. Each species has its own perks and drawbacks. This will make sure the game is VERY diverse and can grab an audience of different races, cultures, beliefs, and strategies. COD doesn’t offer this, neither does Battle field. You guys would keep your title of best shooter game. I don’t even know if you guys are seeing this, but please take it under consideration. It would bring back many fans who quit on you guys, my brothers, and lure in new fans to further bump up the rise of the 343i empire. I haven’t lost Faith in you guys; I know you care about what we the fans think. That’s why we love you. I hope you love us enough to listen to what we wa-… no… what we need. Peace be with you. #Bringbackelites

I honestly think elites will come back either as dlc for Halo 5 or in Halo 6 but i think they will come.