Sangheili (Elites) In New Trilogy Matchmaking (Part 1)

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Quotes be out of whack, yo.

> You are making a horrible comparison with someone’s voice (which may actually be annoying) and a simple game model.There are several things a person can do to limit how their voice comes off:which might actually hurt someones ears,be annoying, or distracting. A game model as zero zero affect on a person whatsoever. Which is why your insistence on comparing the two is asinine.

I’m sorry, but having a squeaky voice is more annoying and has more of an effect on other players than having a different player model with a different hitbox? While psychological warfare is indeed a thing, I don’t think Xbox Live squeakers count. Also, anyone can mute a squeaker, you can’t force a person playing as an Elite to be a Spartan.

> 2. The “counter argument” doesn’t even make sense and that is probably because you are trying to be witty than make a valid point. Example being “using your own poor argument” “funny how that works right”? Comparing someones voice to a player model is like comparing a car to a praying mantis.

How doesn’t it make sense? You said that instead of using a mic, you could not use a mic or play with people that aren’t likely to harass you. I said that instead of playing with an Elite model, you could play as a Spartan or play with people that won’t harass you over it. And what does a car have to do with a praying mantis?

> 3. Lonewolves wasn’t an example of a gametype you primarily played and from your stats that would be Swat.To be honest, I am not even going to buy that because dozens of members of the Sovereign Guard,Unyielding Legion, Warriors of Sanheilos,Sangheili Armed Forces,etc would be able to back up my statement of Elite embarrassment in matchmaking with their own examples. If any of them were here… This point is just going to be filled of bickering so it can be dropped.

Ha, what? I got a 41 in Lone Wolves while occasional people were calling me an annoying 12 year old squeaker, which was surprisingly accurate. I recall it just fine, but maybe experiences differ from person to person.

> 4. You didn’t seem to comprehend what I said. Everybody in the match specifically targeted me because of my player model. That isn’t a challenge, and it isn’t flattering when people try using that rational. If everybody on the other team of a BTB match you wouldn’t “welcome the challenge”. Especially since spawn killing in Halo 3 was an effortless thing to do. A challenge is two or three people fighting you, not 7 plus.

I understood it just fine. You had extraordinary leadership skills that you used to unite 7 random individuals together to fight a common enemy. I’d be surprised if at no other time in history people in Halo FFA ganged up on someone for a different reason than them being an Elite.

> 5. Um, The Elite models are bigger than the spartans, Didn’t know I needed to be more specific and say bulkier. You can easily see that.

I don’t have a picture of the hitboxes I can’t judge, I don’t care about the models. You can shoot through an Elite’s neck in Halo 3, I’m not going to go off and say that the models are representative of the hitbox.

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> Yeah, most realistic people aren’t so verbose and generally get like that when their position cannot be proven otherwise. If you want to further insist that a mere 72 people are representative of this “large Elite fanbase” people keep talking about in this thread I won’t argue with you. Sound cool and logical to me. Then again, I am getting the feeling you are arguing just to argue instead of making any sense or trying to prove a legitimate point. So I’ll most likely ignore your after this post as nothing constructive is coming out of this conversation.

122 now. Say the population is 1 million people, the poll then has an error of around + or - 10%. Seeing as how the poll has retained relatively the same percentage for each voting option throughout its creation, it’s likely to maintain those percentages as it scales with size.

And I never said anything about an Elite fanbase, this was about whether or not people wanted Elites back in MP. If I made a poll asking people if they belong to an Elite clan/community, then clearly the results would be different.

You said one thing, I said that it was inaccurate. I have since taken action to support my point and it has worked in support of my point. BTW, You didn’t ask for a poll of hundreds, if not thousands, of Halo fans; you asked for a poll on Bungie.net to see what the amount of support for Elites in MP would be. I imagined you would be happier at the news that most people are accepting of them, but apparently not. Sorry that I can’t seem to make your mind change.

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Listen, this argument spawned out of one misused word on a post that was buried and forgotten.

Mendicant has a point that not everyone supports Elites. However, that doesn’t mean the rest of the community is opposed to them because they don’t support them. At best, they don’t care.

Sure, there are a couple of fools that give Elite players a hard time. However, the few who speak their opinions louder are more likely to be heard than the many who stay silent. Those who support Elites? On the forums, trying to get them back. Those against? Playing Infinity Slayer if I had to guess.

This thread is comprised primarily of Elite clan members or just fans of Elites in general. However, seeing as there is no 400+ page thread of players against Elites, the message of bringing them back still rings louder than a few bad matches.

Is there total agreement in regards to Elites returning? No. In the same way that there is no total agreement in regards to making Halo 5’s multiplayer arena-based. I’m all for majority rules, but if those against Elites don’t present themselves and make their opinions recognized, then their vote cannot be accounted for. If they did, then the message of no Elites would ring and perhaps 343 would hear it.

Until then, a thread full of fans is the best representation we have. Unless 343 goes into every single multiplayer game and asks every single player.

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> Listen, this argument spawned out of one misused word on a post that was buried and forgotten.
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> Mendicant has a point that not everyone supports Elites. However, that doesn’t mean the rest of the community is opposed to them because they don’t support them. At best, they don’t care.
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> Sure, there are a couple of fools that give Elite players a hard time. However, the few who speak their opinions louder are more likely to be heard than the many who stay silent. Those who support Elites? On the forums, trying to get them back. Those against? Playing Infinity Slayer if I had to guess.
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> This thread is comprised primarily of Elite clan members or just fans of Elites in general. However, seeing as there is no 400+ page thread of players against Elites, the message of bringing them back still rings louder than a few bad matches.
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> Is there total agreement in regards to Elites returning? No. In the same way that there is no total agreement in regards to making Halo 5’s multiplayer arena-based. I’m all for majority rules, but if those against Elites don’t present themselves and make their opinions recognized, then their vote cannot be accounted for. If they did, then the message of no Elites would ring and perhaps 343 would hear it.
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> Until then, a thread full of fans is the best representation we have. Unless 343 goes into every single multiplayer game and asks every single player.

Well said. ^-^

Just because I play H4 does not mean I don’t want Sangheili back… jeez.
#joke

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> Listen, this argument spawned out of one misused word on a post that was buried and forgotten.
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> Mendicant has a point that not everyone supports Elites. However, that doesn’t mean the rest of the community is opposed to them because they don’t support them. At best, they don’t care.
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> Sure, there are a couple of fools that give Elite players a hard time. However, the few who speak their opinions louder are more likely to be heard than the many who stay silent. Those who support Elites? On the forums, trying to get them back. Those against? Playing Infinity Slayer if I had to guess.
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> This thread is comprised primarily of Elite clan members or just fans of Elites in general. However, seeing as there is no 400+ page thread of players against Elites, the message of bringing them back still rings louder than a few bad matches.
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> Is there total agreement in regards to Elites returning? No. In the same way that there is no total agreement in regards to making Halo 5’s multiplayer arena-based. I’m all for majority rules, but if those against Elites don’t present themselves and make their opinions recognized, then their vote cannot be accounted for. If they did, then the message of no Elites would ring and perhaps 343 would hear it.
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> Until then, a thread full of fans is the best representation we have. Unless 343 goes into every single multiplayer game and asks every single player.

That is true. Also while people didn’t say the exact words, they did offer a few possible solutions to balance them out, does that at least imply that that some people want Elites back in?

also, as far as people banding together against someone, I playing Halo 3 as an Elite player and I have heard some Spartan players wanting to form an alliance against another Spartan who was at the top of the game. It was a FFA type game.

Heck I’ve won a few ranked games as both a Spartan and Elite.

Some even offered to team up with anyone who was willing to cooperate

Even when I was an Elite, a friend of mine was disappointed in our team. While I didn’t do any better he did tell me that was at least trying to help the team win.

Also heard a few Spartans call the Elite players an alien/elite buddies or something like that on this thread.

Trust not all of these are from the Elite community.

I think 343 also looks for wishes from other places and not just the waypoint community.

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one of the biggest things that got me into Halo3 was the Sanghelli. At the time I hadn’t seen any other shooting game make an alternate playable model at the time. Heck I wasn’t even into shooting games that much till I saw Halo2and desired to play it, so I got an Xbox 360 and Halo3 in 2008.

My first character model of choice: Elite, I never even bothered with the Spartans for a bit but then they grew on me after I tried playing as one and died a little too much, a lot of slapstick potential with Spartans.

Before Halo Reach segregated Elites and Spartans, and before Halo4 didn’t a darn thing with em. I had been playing as both getting my fill of walking in the shoes as an axe crazy Spartan and the psycho saurian shooter Elite. Each so much fun.

I seriously hope that 343 will actually make the sanghelli playable and just on the same grounds as Spartans. If it’s one thing especially hated about Reach was MM was almost pointless after playing a Spartan after awhile and MM in 4 felt pretty lacking in the player diversity department. It just isn’t the same. Spartans got boring after awhile even if it was merely in aesthetic it’s something 343 should at least try to do. I got sick of wanting Elite slayer but got stuck with the same old DMR battle games which in my opinion are not the most enticing of slayer game types.

I want to be able to look up and see me fighting along side my teammates who happen be a different species from me, and to run side by side with me as we give some poor guy hell with a storm of plasma and ballistics! no matter what species they were.

I know a lot of folks here are disputing but I seriously hope we see the elites playable once again. It was the one thing I missed from Halo3…And fire grenades

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> Unless 343 goes into every single multiplayer game and asks every single player.

> Mendicant has a point that not everyone supports Elites. However, that doesn’t mean the rest of the community is opposed to them because they don’t support them. At best, they don’t care.

I am noticing the fallacies that are starting to arise with me touching on how small this community is, which shows a nerve is being struck.

This is the only off topic example I will use, but I do not vote because I don’t care. So you cannot use the logic “Well they aren’t voicing opinions so the must not care into a potentially positive manner.” People not caring goes against you as there is a large fanbase which isn’t supporting you. Really don’t understand where you were trying to go with that. I’ll probably end up putting the community on blast for how small it is and then you’ll understand why people not openly supporting you is a bad thing.

> Sure, there are a couple of fools that give Elite players a hard time. However, the few who speak their opinions louder are more likely to be heard than the many who stay silent. Those who support Elites? On the forums, trying to get them back. Those against? Playing Infinity Slayer if I had to guess.

More than a few. Interesting that you want to describe the players who harassed the Elites as “few” yet this community is “large”. Interesting.

Why do the people who do not want the Elites return need to speak when they already won? That doesn’t make sense. Not to mention the ones who want Elites back are on A forum, while those who dislike them can be found openly spewing hate nearly everywhere. Youtube being a prime example.

> This thread is comprised primarily of Elite clan members or just fans of Elites in general. However, seeing as there is no 400+ page thread of players against Elites, the message of bringing them back still rings louder than a few bad matches.

Ah, The moment.

I honestly expect any person that went through the thread and counted (once) the number of people that support the Elites to returned would come around 400 members. Not a lot. Even then, based off people exaggerating how large this fanbase is and how happy homeboy got off 72 supporters, I assume it to be lower than that expectation Which is sad since it is a deliberate over-estimation. Majority of this thread is composed of arguments and responses. Not people legitimately saying “I support their return” and not posting against so a tally could be made. Which is what you all are making it seem like.

Not to mention that this thread has been around for 2 years,has 450 pages and 9,000 responses (which again, are just that). My community moved to a new forum 4-5 months ago with the chat thread having 526 pages and 7,884 posts.
We have less than 200 members and lost a good many in the transition as well. So in compassion the Elite community is abysmal and the exaggerations are clearly done so to over-play the numbers.

A thread on Escalation was created in February now it has 52 pages and 768 posts.
The Halo Guardians thread was created in May and now has 60 pages and 897.

So as my community is far smaller than the Elites the numbers shouldn’t be comparable whatsoever. In several months I have general discussion threads on par with a thread representing an insisted majority of the Elite community. Which is my definitive example of how this isn’t a proper representation whatsoever and has been deliberately (or ignorantly) misconstrued into such.

Why is there only one thread? What about other communities? Can anybody give me a list of 3 other communities with comparable threads asking for the Elites to return? Why hasn’t anybody spent several months asking the community at large how they feel about the Elites returning so we have a single poll comprised of thousands of players?

Sound like much? Well this doesn’t stop the Dragon Age,Dark souls,Mass Effect, Fallout, and other communities from backing up something they feel strongly about. They have thousands of people involved with petitions,articles, polls,etc to help establish what a group feels about something. This Elite community has a single thread on a single forum as it’s shining example and it is horrible.

This is a definitive example of how exaggerated and unrepresentative everything here is. But then again, since there isn’t any form of cohesion or a legitimate goal much can’t be expected.

> I’m all for majority rules, but if those against Elites don’t present themselves and make their opinions recognized, then their vote cannot be accounted for…Until then, a thread full of fans is the best representation we have.

the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence And this is a pathetic representation.

> Unless 343 goes into every single multiplayer game and asks every single player.

You are arguing for the Elites to return therefore the burden is upon you and others to show it is wanted. Meaning, You need to gather all the evidence and support to show 343I and swing them. They shouldn’t be working hard to see if this is something wanted if you are the one insisting there is a easily found majority to support the point. Never have I seen this logic used from a group that wanted something.

I do not understand how despite everything people are saying in this thread,There aren’t gamer articles about how fans want the Elites back in Halo and are pissed about the being removed. Where are people making long videos about such or blog posts? What about legitimate petitions (The best one I saw was years ago and only had a few hundred people) for their return?

This thread is a representation of talk amount a few hundred fans rather than a community with a goal and focus.

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Well, fair enough. Guess my argument wasn’t as sturdy as I thought.

Do people want Elites back in Halo 5? Absolutely. Does everyone want Elites back? Not by a long shot.

Listen, I’m not making numbers bigger than they are because I’m trying to inflate my argument to be bigger than it is. Nor am I doing it because I’m ignorant (but I still kind of am, but that’s not the point). I’m mainly doing it because I’m being hopeful.
I’ve always thought Elites were awesome. When I first got here, I saw this thread and went “Man! That’s a big thread, I bet a lot of people like Elites too.” That, and some machinima directors I watch said they wished Elites were still here. And some YouTube comments, and some one-post support from Spartan players on this thread. I figured that was enough to make a difference and went off of that.

And as for the “neutral” bit, I realize “doesn’t care” doesn’t mean “doesn’t oppose”. And both mean “doesn’t support”, but I mainly felt it meant “doesn’t have a favorite, so isn’t in the tally”. Guess that wasn’t sturdy, either.

The main point of my post was just “Let’s all stop arguing, but here’s what I think”. I’m not trying to be hostile, nor am I intentionally putting fuel to the fire. The point of a forum is to exchange ideas, and hopefully get noticed by someone higher up. Healthy conversation is welcome, but things felt a little too heated, so in my mind, my post seemed like a “one-last thought”.

I say we just drop the argument before the thread gets locked.

(And sorry for the wait. Waypoint ate my post and I had to rewrite it.)

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Indeed. Me personally I would love to have Elites back.

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> Listen, I’m not making numbers bigger than they are because I’m trying to inflate my argument to be bigger than it is. Nor am I doing it because I’m ignorant (but I still kind of am, but that’s not the point). I’m mainly doing it because I’m being hopeful.

You were the template for the entire Elite community due to how hopeful you are,which isn’t an issue rather than it being based on a false premise and it not founding anything of product. The goal isn’t to demoralize rather than snap some reality into the community,get some things acknowledge, and have it legitimately work towards a worthy goal. I wasn’t aware that there would be people to understand my words and not write them off.
Had others been more like you (and some of the people in this conversation) two years ago, we could have done something big. Since 343I wants to appeal to everyone I bet the Elites will return in Halo 5, or at least have a decent feeling. That being said, the community hasn’t “won” anything. May they be in? Yes. Will the Elite experience be anything like the Spartans? No, and that is what people here should be focusing on as well and what i am trying to get you and others to do.

> The main point of my post was just “Let’s all stop arguing, but here’s what I think”. I’m not trying to be hostile, nor am I intentionally putting fuel to the fire.

I have never understood why this forum in particular things every response which isn’t on their side is “Arguing” or that arguing is inherently bad. Any forum you go on will have “arguing”. Was this exchanged heated? No. So i don’t get the label. The insistence on being nice and accepting everything people say regardless of how much sense it makes is exactly why I have to be brutally honest.

> The point of a forum is to exchange ideas, and hopefully get noticed by someone higher up. Healthy conversation is welcome, but things felt a little too heated

uh, is this the only forum you go one or your first one? I wasn’t yelling at anybody nor was anybody to be. Not agreeing isn’t arguing and arguing isn’t inherently bad.

> I say we just drop the argument before the thread gets locked

Not a single post was off topic besides this one nor was anything against the rules done.

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Ok, this argument thing is getting a bit out of hand. Either discuss them in a PM or somewhere else because were suppose to be bringing up idea’s and be more professional than this, not act like a bunch of unggoy’s fighting over details of Food Nipple.

I know for a fact that not a whole lot of people in the world don’t mind the elite’s being gone but there are still some left out there who prefer them to return. Lucky for us, we are getting the attention we needed so we might as well be grateful about it.

This is likely the only place to discuss about Sangheili anyways because it’s got a whole lot more people that view on this topic than any other website. That and 343 can see this clearly. I don’t know what they think about the Elite community but at least they got something to work on for us.

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> Ok, this argument thing is getting a bit out of hand. Either discuss them in a PM or somewhere else because were suppose to be bringing up idea’s and be more professional than this, not act like a bunch of unggoy’s fighting over details of Food Nipple.

Everything has been on topic and if you read my last post I said that already.

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Thank you for consolidating this information and for keeping it updated on a regular basis. I think most of us here would enjoy having some variety in the multiplayer universe that Halo provides. I know customization of elite armor would certainly make me a happy player.

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What about the possibility of the arbiter being playable in the campaign, Would that hint a chance of Elites being playable?

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Can all of you just shut the -Yoink- up? that is a legit question. Because after reading your guys retartedly long and pointless argument, it seems that you cant. I mean jesus christ, no one even -Yoinking!- cares if they are added in or not! if they are added thats fine! if not thats also fine! all they are is a skin to make you look different(except reach, what a god awful game)anyways i know you are going to reply with how im wrong or some BS like that, but then you would just be proving my point wouldent you? So I would be deeply appreciative if you would refrain from speaking. about this whole uesless topic and talk about somthing more important like actual gameplay. -_-

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How rude.

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Well well, now we got another reason to continue this topic. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Alright, Champ!!! Lets, hear about your awesome ideas for gameplay. I’m waiting! Also, what is your point, exactly? If, your point is that people are arguing over something in your opinion stupid, than why are you only adding fuel to the fire? It kinda goes against what you’re trying to do dipsh%t. =)

EDIT: To stay on topic. I can’t wait to see some potential MP gameplay next week. (Possibly, involving Elites in H2A)

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I say bring Elites back, I feel armor abilities,load outs, and ordinance drops have made multiplayer way more unstable then the Elites ever did.

In the end this comes down to the people who want Elites in MP and the people who don’t. Not how many numbers of supports you have but who has the most logic in their reasoning. All I have to say to those people is what I stated above.

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You seemed so nice and polite in your last post.

What happened to that person who looked like they wanted to constructively contribute to forum and where did this new impolite person who insults their fellow forum members come from? I want the old Raging Cajun back because I don’t like the new one.

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Retaliating a flaming post with flaming is still flaming, guys. Lock it down and stay on topic.