Sangheili (Elites) In New Trilogy Matchmaking (Part 1)

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> Being someone who has clanned as an Elite since Halo 2 and has received many of the common threats/discrimination over using a player model. To say “Everyone wants them back” is a boldface lie on the level of propaganda. Majority of the people in this thread are from various Elite clans expressing their discontent ,which is understandable, but shouldn’t be exaggerated as everyone else feeling the same way.
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> Most of my encounters online have people not caring at all or merely questioning why they aren’t in, not “Zomg the Elites aren’t in this is an outrage”. Even though they could have easily been implemented within the War Games which isn’t plot driven canon.
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> Do people want the Elites back,yes. What group primarily? Those that played as Elites. Most people seriously don’t care and if you made a poll on Bungie I expect majority to show that (yes a few will want the Elites back from there as well.) I just find it more truthful not to exaggerate how many Elite players there were in the first place (only a few thousand) and not forget people actually getting death threats,harassed online, and other things due to playing as one.
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> With the Halo 2 remake I swore it was said or implied that there would be an original MM mode and an updated on. Which means the Elites have “returned” not to mention there is a clanning system which is hopefully updated as well. So we will all be able to see how many actual Elite players they were and some of you will be reminded of why the larger clans didn’t mind too much when they were no longer online.
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> It will be fun to reminisce again. Would anybody care if a buddy request was sent to them? I liked to talk about this and be thrown back.

Perhaps I was a bit too generous with the word “everyone”. Really, I meant “The majority of Waypoint”. It’s pretty common for random Spartan users to chime in and say Halo ‘doesn’t feel the same without them’. I personally haven’t seen much opposition to Elites, save a few one-post comments that usually aren’t received well (but there may be more, I haven’t been here for too long).

While there will always be those who hate Elites (for whatever reason), they thankfully aren’t vocal enough to sway 343 from having Elites return, while the Elite community has been very supportive of this since before Halo 4.

It’s kind of like the people who prefer Halo 4’s loadout system than arena system: They’re out there, but they haven’t made their voices loud enough for 343 to hear.

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> Perhaps I was a bit too generous with the word “everyone”. Really, I meant “The majority of Waypoint”. It’s pretty common for random Spartan users to chime in and say Halo ‘doesn’t feel the same without them’. I personally haven’t seen much opposition to Elites, save a few one-post comments that usually aren’t received well (but there may be more, I haven’t been here for too long).
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> While there will always be those who hate Elites (for whatever reason), they thankfully aren’t vocal enough to sway 343 from having Elites return, while the Elite community has been very supportive of this since before Halo 4.
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> It’s kind of like the people who prefer Halo 4’s loadout system than arena system: They’re out there, but they haven’t made their voices loud enough for 343 to hear.

Even still majority of waypoint consists of this thread and that isn’t a fraction of the people who play online. I am trying to hammer in (no matter how it may seem) that the Elite fanbase MP wise has always been smaller than any other. Once we can accept that instead of making grandiose claims we can move forward.

Yeah it “doesn’t feel right” because Teabagging is pretty much nonexistent due to the Elites no longer being around. Same with Teamkilling,Smack talk,clanning,etc. I wouldn’t say that is intrinsic to the Elite model specifically rather than there just being another option.

You shouldn’t use what you see on waypoint as standard. I can say a good majority of the people here haven’t been playing for over a decade as most of the Fanbase came in with Halo 3. So they wouldn’t have been with the Elites long and more or less grew up without them. From that PoV having them in is something new.

To be honest. I would rather another model be used instead of the Elites, If people seriously understood the Flak you received for playing as one then they would probably be on board. Hence why there aren’t too many of the Elder clan leaders/members around screaming for their return (other than XZan-would would say most of what I did). The Halo community has never been mature and it would be foolish to think it has become so all of a sudden.

I don’t know. Clanning would be a big boom to Halo I just don;t understand why such incomprehensible hate has to be apart of that. To think there are Full grown adults that get pissed over a player model.

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> Even still majority of waypoint consists of this thread and that isn’t a fraction of the people who play online. I am trying to hammer in (no matter how it may seem) that the Elite fanbase MP wise has always been smaller than any other. Once we can accept that instead of making grandiose claims we can move forward.
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> Yeah it “doesn’t feel right” because Teabagging is pretty much nonexistent due to the Elites no longer being around. Same with Teamkilling,Smack talk,clanning,etc. I wouldn’t say that is intrinsic to the Elite model specifically rather than there just being another option.
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> You shouldn’t use what you see on waypoint as standard. I can say a good majority of the people here haven’t been playing for over a decade as most of the Fanbase came in with Halo 3. So they wouldn’t have been with the Elites long and more or less grew up without them. From that PoV having them in is something new.
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> To be honest. I would rather another model be used instead of the Elites, If people seriously understood the Flak you received for playing as one then they would probably be on board. Hence why there aren’t too many of the Elder clan leaders/members around screaming for their return (other than XZan-would would say most of what I did). The Halo community has never been mature and it would be foolish to think it has become so all of a sudden.
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> I don’t know. Clanning would be a big boom to Halo I just don;t understand why such incomprehensible hate has to be apart of that. To think there are Full grown adults that get pissed over a player model.

You make a lot of good points, Mendicant. Yeah, I guess Elites aren’t everyone’s top priority. People want 'em back, but I’m sure there are more pressing matters. Regardless, I’ll remain hopeful.

And yeah, why are people so hateful towards Elites? Not caring makes sense, but why target the players directly? People really need to straighten their priorities.

And this is gonna drive me crazy, but didn’t you frequent this thread back when it was still relatively new? I swear your GT looks familiar.

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Well I am glad you understand. When this thread was created for the Elites to be in Halo 4 I explained they wouldn’t as they aren’t the focus of the Story any more (covenant war ended). Everybody kicked and screamed at how “Dumb” that was but look what happened.

> And yeah, why are people so hateful towards Elites? Not caring makes sense, but why target the players directly? People really need to straighten their priorities.

It’s wired, but over the internet you can be racist and hateful without fear of physical repercussion. So somebody that just hates the Elites in campaign can carry that over to MP and direct it to a player,without worry.

What i find odd is that majority of the people aren’t kids but 16-30 (or so).

> And this is gonna drive me crazy, but didn’t you frequent this thread back when it was still relatively new? I swear your GT looks familiar.

Yea, I went by Deva Path at first. People my know me from elsewhere as Grey101 (GT was- Neuralfox). Appealed my ban recently and here I am.

8986

> Do people want the Elites back,yes. What group primarily? Those that played as Elites. Most people seriously don’t care and if you made a poll on Bungie I expect majority to show that (yes a few will want the Elites back from there as well.) I just find it more truthful not to exaggerate how many Elite players there were in the first place (only a few thousand) and not forget people actually getting death threats,harassed online, and other things due to playing as one.

I’ll check if somebody made one already, and if not I’ll make one.

Also, you would get death threats for just playing the game, period. God forbid you be a youngin’ and talk on the mic, that’s instant death threats and insults there. Are you good, and did you beat the other team by a large margin? Well, now you’re a hacker and you should die in a hole while some guy courts your mother. That’s nothing limited to Elites.

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> > Do people want the Elites back,yes. What group primarily? Those that played as Elites. Most people seriously don’t care and if you made a poll on Bungie I expect majority to show that (yes a few will want the Elites back from there as well.) I just find it more truthful not to exaggerate how many Elite players there were in the first place (only a few thousand) and not forget people actually getting death threats,harassed online, and other things due to playing as one.
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> I’ll check if somebody made one already, and if not I’ll make one.
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> Also, you would get death threats for just playing the game, period. God forbid you be a youngin’ and talk on the mic, that’s instant death threats and insults there. Are you good, and did you beat the other team by a large margin? Well, now you’re a hacker and you should die in a hole while some guy courts your mother. That’s nothing limited to Elites.

Yea other than

*You can move the mic away so it won’t annoy people
*Your voice will get deeper/people get used to it
*You can simply not talk around people you feel will joke you

The winning example is highly exaggerated and people generally don’t get death threats for that than asking for a rematch. Trust me, I’ve played an extensive amount of Halo online across several accounts and generally people will just give you negative feedback or try to report you.

As in Elite though the only way not to get any sort of harassment is to change your model which defeats the point of it being in the game.

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> Yea other than
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> *You can move the mic away so it won’t annoy people
> *Your voice will get deeper/people get used to it
> *You can simply not talk around people you feel will joke you
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> The winning example is highly exaggerated and people generally don’t get death threats for that than asking for a rematch. Trust me, I’ve played an extensive amount of Halo online across several accounts and generally people will just give you negative feedback or try to report you.
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> As in Elite though the only way not to get any sort of harassment is to change your model which defeats the point of it being in the game.

-Not if you want to communicate with other human beings. And you could just play as a Spartan so it won’t annoy people.
-Many years later that will happen, not while you’re playing the game.
-You could just not play with people that you feel will harass you for being an Elite in MM.

You can get both, it’s a matter of running into the right people. Just like a matter of running into Elite-haters while playing as an Elite. The majority of people I played with didn’t care about it, except in Team Swat or Snipers.

Here’s that thread for you guys, btw. Turns out most people want Elites back.
A steady 87%-88% Yes on that poll. With an additional 7% not caring and willing to deal with it.

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> > Yea other than
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> > *You can move the mic away so it won’t annoy people
> > *Your voice will get deeper/people get used to it
> > *You can simply not talk around people you feel will joke you
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> > The winning example is highly exaggerated and people generally don’t get death threats for that than asking for a rematch. Trust me, I’ve played an extensive amount of Halo online across several accounts and generally people will just give you negative feedback or try to report you.
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> > As in Elite though the only way not to get any sort of harassment is to change your model which defeats the point of it being in the game.
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> -Not if you want to communicate with other human beings. And you could just play as a Spartan so it won’t annoy people.
> -Many years later that will happen, not while you’re playing the game.
> -You could just not play with people that you feel will harass you for being an Elite in MM.
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> You can get both, it’s a matter of running into the right people. Just like a matter of running into Elite-haters while playing as an Elite. The majority of people I played with didn’t care about it, except in Team Swat or Snipers.
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> Here’s that thread for you guys, btw. Turns out most people want Elites back.

Indeed, especially when you would have friends who support your right to choice which is a God given right itself.

As for those people who hate Elites, The best thing to do is ignore them especially since these would also be the same people who would hate someone who isn’t good at the game.

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> > > Yea other than
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> > > *You can move the mic away so it won’t annoy people
> > > *Your voice will get deeper/people get used to it
> > > *You can simply not talk around people you feel will joke you
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> > > The winning example is highly exaggerated and people generally don’t get death threats for that than asking for a rematch. Trust me, I’ve played an extensive amount of Halo online across several accounts and generally people will just give you negative feedback or try to report you.
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> > > As in Elite though the only way not to get any sort of harassment is to change your model which defeats the point of it being in the game.
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> > -Not if you want to communicate with other human beings. And you could just play as a Spartan so it won’t annoy people.
> > -Many years later that will happen, not while you’re playing the game.
> > -You could just not play with people that you feel will harass you for being an Elite in MM.
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> > You can get both, it’s a matter of running into the right people. Just like a matter of running into Elite-haters while playing as an Elite. The majority of people I played with didn’t care about it, except in Team Swat or Snipers.
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> > Here’s that thread for you guys, btw. Turns out most people want Elites back.
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> Indeed, especially when you would have friends who support your right to choice which is a God given right itself.

Plus, why should I change my species because some doofus doesn’t like it. If he’s gonna whine about my visual appearance in a game, why should I given in to his demands. I mean, I don’t like the Pioneer helmet, but I’m not gonna ask some guy to change it to EOD or something.

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> > > > Yea other than
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> > > > *You can move the mic away so it won’t annoy people
> > > > *Your voice will get deeper/people get used to it
> > > > *You can simply not talk around people you feel will joke you
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> > > > The winning example is highly exaggerated and people generally don’t get death threats for that than asking for a rematch. Trust me, I’ve played an extensive amount of Halo online across several accounts and generally people will just give you negative feedback or try to report you.
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> > > > As in Elite though the only way not to get any sort of harassment is to change your model which defeats the point of it being in the game.
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> > > -Not if you want to communicate with other human beings. And you could just play as a Spartan so it won’t annoy people.
> > > -Many years later that will happen, not while you’re playing the game.
> > > -You could just not play with people that you feel will harass you for being an Elite in MM.
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> > > You can get both, it’s a matter of running into the right people. Just like a matter of running into Elite-haters while playing as an Elite. The majority of people I played with didn’t care about it, except in Team Swat or Snipers.
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> > > Here’s that thread for you guys, btw. Turns out most people want Elites back.
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> > Indeed, especially when you would have friends who support your right to choice which is a God given right itself.
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> Plus, why should I change my species because some doofus doesn’t like it. If he’s gonna whine about my visual appearance in a game, why should I give in to his demands. I mean, I don’t like the Pioneer helmet, but I’m not goanna ask some guy to change it to EOD or something.

This is why people should do the one thing that a lot of people tend to ignore. That is to learn to love the mute button.
Also that is true, why should you wear the same armor of the one who persecutes you anyway?

Now I’m not saying all Spartans are bad and believe me there are a TON! of Spartan players out there who support Elites.

In fact, we have a lot of them supporting this thread.

8992

> -Not if you want to communicate with other human beings. And you could just play as a Spartan so it won’t annoy people.
> -Many years later that will happen, not while you’re playing the game.
> -You could just not play with people that you feel will harass you for being an Elite in MM.
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> You can get both, it’s a matter of running into the right people. Just like a matter of running into Elite-haters while playing as an Elite. The majority of people I played with didn’t care about it, except in Team Swat or Snipers.
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> Here’s that thread for you guys, btw. Turns out most people want Elites back.
> A steady 87%-88% Yes on that poll. With an additional 7% not caring and willing to deal with it.

  • Most people don’t randomly go into matches rather than playing with friends and even now majority of players on Halo 4 don’t even talk.
    -So what is the point of including Elites as a model if people cannot play as them due to some weird hate complex of others? Further more, how can you try to say people want them that and make such a statement?
  • Like people don’t play games for years? Generally your voice changes every few months when you are younger. Of course, you aren’t going to notice that. Try talking to someone you haven’t seen in a year or two. (applies primarily to those 19 and younger)
    -So how are you suppose to play standard MM? I don’t think you understand anything I said.

The Elite haters were a majority. Not a single person active in Clans or played lonewolves in Halo 3 with a higher rank than 34 can contest that. I have literally had everyone in a lonewolves match focus on me due to being the Elite, and it wasn’t a one time thing. People caring about the Player model in Snipers doesn’t necessarily makes sense as Elites are a larger target. People got mad in SWAT because it shows you can still beat them despite being a larger target.

Um, you clearly don’t understand how statistics work. A single poll doesn’t mean anything not to mention you didn’t get many results and I even know majority of those posters. If you want a to get a poll showing majority of a population then it needs to have several hundred if not a thousand participants. Not under 20 and then saying “Look everybody wants Elites back!” Doesn’t work like that at all.

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> Now I’m not saying all Spartans are bad and believe me there are a TON! of Spartan players out there who support Elites.
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> In fact, we have a lot of them supporting this thread.

You guys need to understand that arbitrarily stating many people share your point of view without actually having evidence causes a lot of people not to take this seriously. Especially since the most representative example you have is this thread,which is primarily made of Elite players, which counted up probably wouldn’t even surpass 500 people.

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It’s amazing to see how long this post has lasted and grown! 343 obviously knows such a massive portion of it’s fanbase wants elites in multiplayer again. I’m willing to bet they will be for Halo 5. I have faith.

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> > Now I’m not saying all Spartans are bad and believe me there are a TON! of Spartan players out there who support Elites.
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> > In fact, we have a lot of them supporting this thread.
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> You guys need to understand that arbitrarily stating many people share your point of view without actually having evidence causes a lot of people not to take this seriously. Especially since the most representative example you have is this thread,which is primarily made of Elite players, which counted up probably wouldn’t even surpass 500 people.

By that logic, we all might as well not come on here to discuss what would be a good idea for Halo 5. I mean, the amount of people on Waypoint is a fraction of the entire Halo population, so why bother posting ideas that all of the population won’t agree to?

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> > > Now I’m not saying all Spartans are bad and believe me there are a TON! of Spartan players out there who support Elites.
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> > > In fact, we have a lot of them supporting this thread.
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> > You guys need to understand that arbitrarily stating many people share your point of view without actually having evidence causes a lot of people not to take this seriously. Especially since the most representative example you have is this thread,which is primarily made of Elite players, which counted up probably wouldn’t even surpass 500 people.
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> By that logic, we all might as well not come on here to discuss what would be a good idea for Halo 5. I mean, the amount of people on Waypoint is a fraction of the entire Halo population, so why bother posting ideas that all of the population won’t agree to?

Idea’s are different than “everybody wants this”, when you are only talking about a few people and you are starting to take the conversation out of context. You don’t need other people to discuss an idea, people are needed when you say “Everybody likes this idea”.

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> - Most people don’t randomly go into matches rather than playing with friends and even now majority of players on Halo 4 don’t even talk.
> -So what is the point of including Elites as a model if people cannot play as them due to some weird hate complex of others? Further more, how can you try to say people want them that and make such a statement?
> - Like people don’t play games for years? Generally your voice changes every few months when you are younger. Of course, you aren’t going to notice that. Try talking to someone you haven’t seen in a year or two. (applies primarily to those 19 and younger)
> -So how are you suppose to play standard MM? I don’t think you understand anything I said.

-Didn’t used to be that way, mate. And that other bit was me showing that it’s a dumb argument to say, “Well, just don’t use the mic”. Some people like and want to, just like some people do with Elites.
-Yes, but despite the small changes in your voice, which all depends on when you go through puberty anyway, people will still hate you for sounding that way until you sound completely normal.
-I was again, using your own poor argument against you. Now, you think it’s a bad argument, when somehow before it was perfectly valid. Funny how that works, right?

> The Elite haters were a majority.

Not really.

> Not a single person active in Clans or played lonewolves in Halo 3 with a higher rank than 34 can contest that.

Yo.

> I have literally had everyone in a lonewolves match focus on me due to being the Elite, and it wasn’t a one time thing.

If it happens frequently and you don’t want the extra challenge, then why not change character models while playing in that Ranked playlist? If you want to play as an Elite in Ranked and never run into problems, sorry but you can’t always get what you want. I didn’t want to play with Derankers and boosters, but -Yoink- happens.

> People caring about the Player model in Snipers doesn’t necessarily makes sense as Elites are a larger target. People got mad in SWAT because it shows you can still beat them despite being a larger target.

Not really bigger(the head is just moved slightly forward), it has to do with that idea that it somehow makes it harder to shoot them. Don’t ask me to explain why people on Xbox Live have stupid ideas.

> Um, you clearly don’t understand how statistics work. A single poll doesn’t mean anything not to mention you didn’t get many results and I even know majority of those posters. If you want a to get a poll showing majority of a population then it needs to have several hundred if not a thousand participants. Not under 20 and then saying “Look everybody wants Elites back!” Doesn’t work like that at all.

Your exact words were

> Most people seriously don’t care and if you made a poll on Bungie I expect majority to show that

You wanted a poll on Bungie.net, you got a poll on Bungie.net. Don’t complain when someone did what you asked and came up with results that weren’t what you expected. That’s 72 total votes cast btw, not under 20.

8998

I enjoy the skepticism posed by I MendicantBias in this thread,it does serve as a tad of a reality check.

However,this is a rather large thread and the inclusion of Sangheili player models are on the community’s wish list.They also serve as a good tool for machinima makers.

Being a player who has used the Sangheili player model in Reach extensively,and I have used it in frequent custom games,I have never experienced receiving any flak or hate due to the appearance of my player model,and neither have I been targeted in custom games.Your point is that of why Sangheili player models should be included due to the hate complex of others.Though I have not received any criticisms of being an Elite,those who do and appreciate the aesthetic appearance of an Elite should not have it as a valid reason to change their player models.Its their freedom to choose for themselves.I have seen support from the community on Youtube wanting Sangheili player models to return.

Your point regarding the statistical insignificance of the poll is valid I must say,for not a large portion of the Halo community voted.

8999

> > - Most people don’t randomly go into matches rather than playing with friends and even now majority of players on Halo 4 don’t even talk.
> > -So what is the point of including Elites as a model if people cannot play as them due to some weird hate complex of others? Further more, how can you try to say people want them that and make such a statement?
> > - Like people don’t play games for years? Generally your voice changes every few months when you are younger. Of course, you aren’t going to notice that. Try talking to someone you haven’t seen in a year or two. (applies primarily to those 19 and younger)
> > -So how are you suppose to play standard MM? I don’t think you understand anything I said.
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> -Didn’t used to be that way, mate. And that other bit was me showing that it’s a dumb argument to say, “Well, just don’t use the mic”. Some people like and want
> -I was again, using your own poor argument against you. Now, you think it’s a bad argument, when somehow before it was perfectly valid. Funny how that works, right?
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> If it happens frequently and you don’t want the extra challenge, then why not change character models while playing in that Ranked playlist? If you want to play as an Elite in Ranked and never run into problems, sorry but you can’t always get what you want. I didn’t want to play with Derankers and boosters, but Yoink! happens.
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> > People caring about the Player model in Snipers doesn’t necessarily makes sense as Elites are a larger target. People got mad in SWAT because it shows you can still beat them despite being a larger target.
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> Not really bigger(the head is just moved slightly forward), it has to do with that idea that it somehow makes it harder to shoot them. Don’t ask me to explain why people on Xbox Live have stupid ideas.

  1. So there isn’t any reason in complaining about how people respond to your voice if there aren’t steps taken not to annoy somebody.If you feel the other players are going to mock you just from how they sound, and you still insist on talking (which isn’t wise) then you cannot complain. That is just common sense.

You are making a horrible comparison with someone’s voice (which may actually be annoying) and a simple game model.There are several things a person can do to limit how their voice comes off:which might actually hurt someones ears,be annoying, or distracting. A game model as zero zero affect on a person whatsoever. Which is why your insistence on comparing the two is asinine.

  1. The “counter argument” doesn’t even make sense and that is probably because you are trying to be witty than make a valid point. Example being “using your own poor argument” “funny how that works right”? Comparing someones voice to a player model is like comparing a car to a praying mantis.

  2. Lonewolves wasn’t an example of a gametype you primarily played and from your stats that would be Swat.To be honest, I am not even going to buy that because dozens of members of the Sovereign Guard,Unyielding Legion, Warriors of Sanheilos,Sangheili Armed Forces,etc would be able to back up my statement of Elite embarrassment in matchmaking with their own examples. If any of them were here… This point is just going to be filled of bickering so it can be dropped.

  3. You didn’t seem to comprehend what I said. Everybody in the match specifically targeted me because of my player model. That isn’t a challenge, and it isn’t flattering when people try using that rational. If everybody on the other team of a BTB match you wouldn’t “welcome the challenge”. Especially since spawn killing in Halo 3 was an effortless thing to do. A challenge is two or three people fighting you, not 7 plus.

  4. Um, The Elite models are bigger than the spartans, Didn’t know I needed to be more specific and say bulkier. You can easily see that.

> Your exact words were Most people seriously don’t care and if you made a poll on Bungie I expect majority to show that

You wanted a poll on Bungie.net, you got a poll on Bungie.net. Don’t complain when someone did what you asked and came up with results that weren’t what you expected. That’s 72 total votes cast btw, not under 20.
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Yeah, most realistic people aren’t so verbose and generally get like that when their position cannot be proven otherwise. If you want to further insist that a mere 72 people are representative of this “large Elite fanbase” people keep talking about in this thread I won’t argue with you. Sounds cool and logical to me. Then again, I am getting the feeling you are arguing just to argue instead of making any sense or trying to prove a legitimate point. So I’ll most likely ignore your after this post as nothing constructive is coming out of this conversation.

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> I enjoy the skepticism posed by I MendicantBias in this thread,it does serve as a tad of a reality check.

Thanks. I want/wouldn’t mind them back but i don’t see the point in exaggerating or making up boldface lies. Those are the exact things which turned the community into “poop”.

> However,this is a rather large thread and the inclusion of Sangheili player models are on the community’s wish list.They also serve as a good tool for machinima makers.

This has been repeated by me several times and i don’t think it is actually being understood, which is starting to get frustrating as nobody is listening to what I am saying.

This thread has 451 or so pages. It is not made up of people making a single post “I want the Elites back” and leaving it alone so the idea can be gauged. Majority of the people here were in Elite clans or played as one; in addition to that they are the main people posting. So “this is a large thread and clearly shows blah blah” really isn’t true and the insistence that it is shows that people are more inclined think with nostalgia in mind rather than rational.

That isn’t going to help the issue at all even though I am confided Elite models are “back” in H2AE. Making singular polls with a few dozen people (which is seriously something to laugh at and no professor would take you seriously) shows how little people will do yet insist the Elites are a community favorite and a majority/everybody/a lot of people want them back. Which truly tranlastes to “All the people who want Elites want them back”. Not an issue, but there isn’t any reason to lie about it.

I would like to see some other Clan leaders here and have them speak honestly about how things were in the past and the general struggle it was to even create a sizable Elite clan. Let alone keep a good number AND have skilled members which were followed Clan crede. Majority of what I see in this thread is garbage because it isn’t reflective of the reality whatsoever. Which is why I am trying to hammer in some truth.

> Being a player who has used the Sangheili player model in Reach extensively,and I have used it in frequent custom games,I have never experienced receiving any flak or hate due to the appearance of my player model,and neither have I been targeted in custom games.

Everything else in the post can be struck out to be honest. Clans died near instantly with Reach and majority of the Elite community died out within the first few months. Most did’t even transfer over from Halo 3 and slowly died out. My points were focused on Halo 2 and 3 Matchmaking, with you later coming in doing Reach Matchmaking and Customs.

A completely different world and yes, Reach wasn’t anything like that because clans and the Elite community died out.

> I have seen support from the community on Youtube wanting Sangheili player models to return.

“The Dog only whines after you take its Bone”.

Meaning, people only want something after they do not have it or the option. Just throwing the Elites in is not a win, yet sine this “community” isn’t focused on being honest thats all they’ll get and the problems will return.

Bring the Halo 2 clanning system back. Make it a completely different experience for an Elite player than a Spartan. Have an equal or near amount of armors as the Spartans and make them good. Create a playlist with gametypes for Elite VS Spartans, Try to get MLG to use the models, have 343I gamedays or in house tournaments with people using the models. Crack down on childish actions against player models and so forth.

See, That is what this “community” needs to and get accomplished and focus on instead of the most basic goal and exaggerate claims. “Back in my day” The other clan leaders would have gotten everybody in line and worked for such a goal. Now it seems the bone is more sought than getting in the house.

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