Gek was made to look weak. He was Jul’s disposable and unintelligent righthand man. He doesn’t display an ounce of the capacity that The Arbiter possesses, so I believe he wouldn’t have worked in this role.
Two words guys. . .
JOINT OPS
There are different branches of the military and in the halo universe, the spartans now have their own branch. This doesn’t mean that they cannot work with different branches of the UNSC military or even military branches from other “nations” including the Arbiter and his army. 343 could simply say that spartans and elites are working together and that would be good enough for me. It would make sense for an Elite to tag along with a team of spartans seeing as they will likely be dealing with covenant technology which they would have knowledge about.
This also makes me suspect that the Arbiter will join up with Chief since Cortana is gone. He will be able to provide a somewhat similar role as a guide and companion.
> Two words guys. . .
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> JOINT OPS
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> There are different branches of the military and in the halo universe, the spartans now have their own branch. This doesn’t mean that they cannot work with different branches of the UNSC military or even military branches from other “nations” including the Arbiter and his army. 343 could simply say that spartans and elites are working together and that would be good enough for me. It would make sense for an Elite to tag along with a team of spartans seeing as they will likely be dealing with covenant technology which they would have knowledge about.
> This also makes me suspect that the Arbiter will join up with Chief since Cortana is gone. He will be able to provide a somewhat similar role as a guide and companion.
This is a completely reasonable possibility but as I’ve already said with Fos it has just one flaw.
That flaw being that mixed Fire teams of both Spartan IVs and Elites wouldn’t exist. What I really want is teams that operate like Majestic but the difference being that there would be Elites operating in it instead of only SIVs. Just think of all the potential stories that could be told about these mixed Fire teams! It’d be awesome!
> Well Escalation 2 came out, it really does seem there is a variance in Sangheili as well as Kig-yar. Which I find quite interesting.
Much like Humanity, the Sangheili have an impressive variety of physical characteristics. In 343’s Canon, the Halo 3 “ethnicity” Elites still exist, and the Halo 2 hooved ethnicity still exist as well as seen by Thel’s return in Escalations. I know this because of an interview prior to the release of Halo 4 in which O’Connor explained the dramatic change in the appearance of the Covenant species.
Indeed there is some in them.
> > Well Escalation 2 came out, it really does seem there is a variance in Sangheili as well as Kig-yar. Which I find quite interesting.
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> Much like Humanity, the Sangheili have an impressive variety of physical characteristics. In 343’s Canon, the Halo 3 “ethnicity” Elites still exist, and the Halo 2 hooved ethnicity still exist as well as seen by Thel’s return in Escalations. I know this because of an interview prior to the release of Halo 4 in which O’Connor explained the dramatic change in the appearance of the Covenant species.
That makes sense. At least more than all the Sangheili magically growing scales.
> > Two words guys. . .
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> > JOINT OPS
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> > There are different branches of the military and in the halo universe, the spartans now have their own branch. This doesn’t mean that they cannot work with different branches of the UNSC military or even military branches from other “nations” including the Arbiter and his army. 343 could simply say that spartans and elites are working together and that would be good enough for me. It would make sense for an Elite to tag along with a team of spartans seeing as they will likely be dealing with covenant technology which they would have knowledge about.
> > This also makes me suspect that the Arbiter will join up with Chief since Cortana is gone. He will be able to provide a somewhat similar role as a guide and companion.
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> This is a completely reasonable possibility but as I’ve already said with Fos it has just one flaw.
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> <mark>That flaw being that mixed Fire teams of both Spartan IVs and Elites wouldn’t exist.</mark> What I really want is teams that operate like Majestic but the difference being that there would be Elites operating in it instead of only SIVs. Just think of all the potential stories that could be told about these mixed Fire teams! It’d be awesome!
Whose to say it couldn’t? In Halo 3, we saw the Elites and Humans working together just fine. I know being able to work together in a Warthog or sharing your Rocket Launchers isn’t the same as assimilating cultures, but it still shows working together is possible.
And the idea of Elite-only/Spartan-only fire teams makes sense in story, but in gameplay, it could be a bit restricting. My best friend and I had a blast going through Sp-Ops on legendary. I know I would play as an Elite all the time if given the option, but my friend would definitely stay as a Spartan. Does that mean we can no longer play together because we chose different species?
Just posting to lend my support to the cause.
Halo 5 matchmaking should have both Spartan-IV’s and Sangheili in all game modes with no restrictions and similar hitboxes.
When Halo 4 details started rolling in about Spartan-IV’s and how they all had mjolnir MK.VI, and were pretty much equal in every way to Sangheili I figured they were setting the stage to bring them back in all gametypes.
And I mean all gametypes, including firefight/spartan ops as well. So what if were fighting remnant Sangheili? The Elites are in the middle of a civil war, and I think its time that both sides are represented in game. I say you should have mixed S-IV/Elite fireteams, and you should have the arbiter’s Sangheili fighting the remnant sangheili.
While the existence of the remnant is explained through books and other extended media, many never read or view it and were confused (And still are)as to why you fight Sangheili again in Halo 4. This would also help to address their confusion.
When it was announced that Sangheili would not be playable in Halo 4 I was shocked, and I hope that 343i does not make the same mistake for Halo 5.
> > > Two words guys. . .
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> > > JOINT OPS
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> > > There are different branches of the military and in the halo universe, the spartans now have their own branch. This doesn’t mean that they cannot work with different branches of the UNSC military or even military branches from other “nations” including the Arbiter and his army. 343 could simply say that spartans and elites are working together and that would be good enough for me. It would make sense for an Elite to tag along with a team of spartans seeing as they will likely be dealing with covenant technology which they would have knowledge about.
> > > This also makes me suspect that the Arbiter will join up with Chief since Cortana is gone. He will be able to provide a somewhat similar role as a guide and companion.
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> > This is a completely reasonable possibility but as I’ve already said with Fos it has just one flaw.
> >
> > <mark>That flaw being that mixed Fire teams of both Spartan IVs and Elites wouldn’t exist.</mark> What I really want is teams that operate like Majestic but the difference being that there would be Elites operating in it instead of only SIVs. Just think of all the potential stories that could be told about these mixed Fire teams! It’d be awesome!
>
> Whose to say it couldn’t? In Halo 3, we saw the Elites and Humans working together just fine. I know being able to work together in a Warthog or sharing your Rocket Launchers isn’t the same as <mark>assimilating cultures</mark>, but it still shows working together is possible.
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Hold your horses that’s not what I’m getting at at all! Lets not get to hasty, I’m only suggesting that warriors outside of Spartan programs should have the right to bare the title of Spartan if deemed worthy.
Anyways. But squads like I’m suggesting surely wouldn’t exist if the Sangheili troops and Spartan troops are from two different factions. Organizing the leadership, differing ranking structures, getting the teams together during a battle and squads being split in half between different ships would all be major issues along with other things. The closest thing that could come out of What is being suggested is is a separate Sangheili and Spartan squads teaming up and while they’ll work together they wouldn’t part of the same squad which would be a shame.
> And the idea of Elite-only/Spartan-only fire teams makes sense in story, but in gameplay, it could be a bit restricting. My best friend and I had a blast going through Sp-Ops on legendary. I know I would play as an Elite all the time if given the option, but my friend would definitely stay as a Spartan. Does that mean we can no longer play together because we chose different species?
But I absolutely agree with you on your second point. Though I don’t believe cannon should be an issue in most circumstances if we are put in a situation like S ops 343 can’t just randomly allow players to play as an Elites with no canonical explanation, it’d be the same thing as Noble Six being an Elite in Reach’s campaign. And although saying that the Elites we play as in these situations are part of a separate Sangheili squad that is assisting the Spartan squad like others have mentioned I would much prefer for all players Spartans and Samgheili to be part of one unified team.
If the UNSC were to make a deal with Thel to have Sagheili troops join the Spartan branch then we could have squads that consist of both Spartans and Sangheili. It’d allow for the lowest amount of restrictions game play wise and story wise just think of all the awesome characters and stories that could from SIVs and Elites working in the same squads.
> > > > Two words guys. . .
> > > >
> > > > JOINT OPS
> > > >
> > > > There are different branches of the military and in the halo universe, the spartans now have their own branch. This doesn’t mean that they cannot work with different branches of the UNSC military or even military branches from other “nations” including the Arbiter and his army. 343 could simply say that spartans and elites are working together and that would be good enough for me. It would make sense for an Elite to tag along with a team of spartans seeing as they will likely be dealing with covenant technology which they would have knowledge about.
> > > > This also makes me suspect that the Arbiter will join up with Chief since Cortana is gone. He will be able to provide a somewhat similar role as a guide and companion.
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> > > This is a completely reasonable possibility but as I’ve already said with Fos it has just one flaw.
> > >
> > > <mark>That flaw being that mixed Fire teams of both Spartan IVs and Elites wouldn’t exist.</mark> What I really want is teams that operate like Majestic but the difference being that there would be Elites operating in it instead of only SIVs. Just think of all the potential stories that could be told about these mixed Fire teams! It’d be awesome!
> >
> > Whose to say it couldn’t? In Halo 3, we saw the Elites and Humans working together just fine. I know being able to work together in a Warthog or sharing your Rocket Launchers isn’t the same as <mark>assimilating cultures</mark>, but it still shows working together is possible.
>
> Whoa, whoa, whoa! Hold your horses that’s not what I’m getting at at all! Lets not get to hasty, I’m only suggesting that warriors outside of Spartan programs should have the right to bare the title of Spartan if deemed worthy.
>
> Anyways. But squads like I’m suggesting surely wouldn’t exist if the Sangheili troops and Spartan troops are from two different factions. Organizing the leadership, differing ranking structures, getting the teams together during a battle and squads being split in half between different ships would all be major issues along with other things. The closest thing that could come out of What is being suggested is is a separate Sangheili and Spartan squads teaming up and while they’ll work together they wouldn’t part of the same squad which would be a shame.
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> > And the idea of Elite-only/Spartan-only fire teams makes sense in story, but in gameplay, it could be a bit restricting. My best friend and I had a blast going through Sp-Ops on legendary. I know I would play as an Elite all the time if given the option, but my friend would definitely stay as a Spartan. Does that mean we can no longer play together because we chose different species?
>
> But I absolutely agree with you on your second point. Though I don’t believe cannon should be an issue in most circumstances if we are put in a situation like S ops 343 can’t just randomly allow players to play as an Elites with no canonical explanation, it’d be the same thing as Noble Six being an Elite in Reach’s campaign. And although saying that the Elites we play as in these situations are part of a separate Sangheili squad that is assisting the Spartan squad like others have mentioned I would much prefer for all players Spartans and Samgheili to be part of one unified team.
>
> If the UNSC were to make a deal with Thel to have Sagheili troops join the Spartan branch then we could have squads that consist of both Spartans and Sangheili. It’d allow for the lowest amount of restrictions game play wise and story wise just think of all the awesome characters and stories that could from SIVs and Elites working in the same squads.
Spartan isn’t just a title though, it’s a branch. And Elites have NO PLACE in it. Just because Elites and Spartans are working together, doesn’t mean they are all Spartans. And the distinction between Spartans and Elites has been so clearly ironed into our heads from Halo 2 through Reach when picking your model clearly stated: SPARTAN or ELITE.
That’s the thing, the word Elite is the human classification/title for the role played by the Sangheili race. Therefore, they should just continue to be called Elites. Just like Spartan is what they call an armoured human supersoldier.
This point is just silly. No Elite player would ever want to be associated as a “Spartan” and most Spartan players don’t want their precious Spartans to be anything but human. Even in lore Elites would likely find it insulting to be considered a “Demon”
I like the Idea of brining the Elites in with a variety of armor.
That would be awesome and cool to have.
> Spartan isn’t just a title though, it’s a branch. And Elites have NO PLACE in it. Just because Elites and Spartans are working together, doesn’t mean they are all Spartans. And the distinction between Spartans and Elites has been so clearly ironed into our heads from Halo 2 through Reach when picking your model clearly stated: SPARTAN or ELITE.
Fine then, I’m willing to accept that the Sangheili wont be in the branch but I’m adamant about having mixed Fire teams instead of Elite only squads and SIV only squads. If you can think of a way to have mixed teams without them working in the same branch then I’m all ears.
And I again just want to make it clear that in conversations I think that the Sangheili should still be called Elites and SIVs should still called SIVs (or possibly referred to as Mk IVs just like how Chief was referred to as a Mk II a few times). Making a distinction in conversation is still important but on paper they’ll all be Spartans.
> That’s the thing, the word Elite is the human classification/title for the role played by the Sangheili race. Therefore, they should just continue to be called Elites. Just like Spartan is what they call an armoured human supersoldier.
But the word Elite is just a nick name for what they are. SIV would be the equivalent of that not the title of Spartan. An Elite and SIV is what you are and what you’re probably going to be referred to as most of the time while both will be Spartans by title.
> This point is just silly. No Elite player would ever want to be associated as a “Spartan” and most Spartan players don’t want their precious Spartans to be anything but human. Even in lore Elites would likely find it insulting to be considered a “Demon”
I have to ask if you think that I’m suggesting that we replace the word Elite for the word Spartan. This isn’t what I’m saying at all. Elites will still be Elites and SIVs will still be SIVs.
To answer the above, I believe that the Sangheili wouldn’t ever be able to be considered Spartans. They might fight just as well and perform as well, but it can’t happen. Sangheili culture teaches one to have pride in themselves and their brothers, and they wouldn’t accept a title from outside of their culture. They would be considered Elites on paper, allied forces to provide help for joint military operations. Sometimes Sangheili will be seen operating alongside Spartans and the other way around, but they won’t operate under the same leader, ever.
On the Battle of Installation 00, the Sangheili fought under the lead of Shipmaster Vadum and The Arbiter, while Humanity fought under Admiral Hood and Miranda Keyes. While both Humans and Elites interacted on the ground and traded assets, the Humans were never Covenant Seperatists nor were the Elites considered UNSC forces.
Different militaries, different titles, but the same goal.
> > Spartan isn’t just a title though, it’s a branch. And Elites have NO PLACE in it. Just because Elites and Spartans are working together, doesn’t mean they are all Spartans. And the distinction between Spartans and Elites has been so clearly ironed into our heads from Halo 2 through Reach when picking your model clearly stated: SPARTAN or ELITE.
>
> Fine then, I’m willing to accept that the Sangheili wont be in the branch but I’m adamant about having mixed Fire teams instead of Elite only squads and SIV only squads. If you can think of a way to have mixed teams without them working in the same branch then I’m all ears.
>
> And I again just want to make it clear that in conversations I think that the Sangheili should still be called Elites and SIVs should still called SIVs (or possibly referred to as Mk IVs just like how Chief was referred to as a Mk II a few times). Making a distinction in conversation is still important but on paper they’ll all be Spartans.
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> > That’s the thing, the word Elite is the human classification/title for the role played by the Sangheili race. Therefore, they should just continue to be called Elites. Just like Spartan is what they call an armoured human supersoldier.
>
> But the word Elite is just a nick name for what they are. SIV would be the equivalent of that not the title of Spartan. An Elite and SIV is what you are and what you’re probably going to be referred to as most of the time while both will be Spartans by title.
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> > This point is just silly. No Elite player would ever want to be associated as a “Spartan” and most Spartan players don’t want their precious Spartans to be anything but human. Even in lore Elites would likely find it insulting to be considered a “Demon”
>
> I have to ask if you think that I’m suggesting that we replace the word Elite for the word Spartan. This isn’t what I’m saying at all. Elites will still be Elites and SIVs will still be SIVs.
Maybe they should just rename the branch to avoid confusion since the branch will include the Elites. Elite has become a bit more of a title for the Sangheili since they are “elite” units. As for mixed squads, it’s definitely possible, just they’ll need to be commanded by both an Elite commander and a Human commander who have to bicker on what to do. They could also just take existing high ranked Elites and place them in charge of Elite squads which Spartans can choose to join, or command could also make squads half-and-half and half of these new squads would be led by Elite commander and the other half by Human commanders.
> > Spartan isn’t just a title though, it’s a branch. And Elites have NO PLACE in it. Just because Elites and Spartans are working together, doesn’t mean they are all Spartans. And the distinction between Spartans and Elites has been so clearly ironed into our heads from Halo 2 through Reach when picking your model clearly stated: SPARTAN or ELITE.
>
> Fine then, I’m willing to accept that the Sangheili wont be in the branch but I’m adamant about having mixed Fire teams instead of Elite only squads and SIV only squads. If you can think of a way to have mixed teams without them working in the same branch then I’m all ears.
>
> And I again just want to make it clear that in conversations I think that the Sangheili should still be called Elites and SIVs should still called SIVs (or possibly referred to as Mk IVs just like how Chief was referred to as a Mk II a few times). Making a distinction in conversation is still important but on paper they’ll all be Spartans.
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> > That’s the thing, the word Elite is the human classification/title for the role played by the Sangheili race. Therefore, they should just continue to be called Elites. Just like Spartan is what they call an armoured human supersoldier.
>
> But the word Elite is just a nick name for what they are. SIV would be the equivalent of that not the title of Spartan. An Elite and SIV is what you are and what you’re probably going to be referred to as most of the time while both will be Spartans by title.
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> > This point is just silly. No Elite player would ever want to be associated as a “Spartan” and most Spartan players don’t want their precious Spartans to be anything but human. Even in lore Elites would likely find it insulting to be considered a “Demon”
>
> I have to ask if you think that I’m suggesting that we replace the word Elite for the word Spartan. This isn’t what I’m saying at all. Elites will still be Elites and SIVs will still be SIVs.
I’m gonna put it in a way you can understand.
Canadian Forces were called to Afghanistan to assist American forces during the war on Terror. Now I ask you, if a group of Canadian soldiers were sent on a mission accompanying a group of US Navy SEALs, would that mean that on-paper the Canadians would become SEALs?
No, absolutely not. The Canadians are Canadians, they are a part of their OWN military, and there is no “Honorary Ameican” -Yoink- involved. In this case it’s not just different nationalities but a completely different SPECIES. And both are part of their OWN separate militaries, with their OWN branches. So just because they work together in absolutely NO WAY means they need to become a part of the same branch or honorary to one another’s militaries.
Elites are not, and will never EVER be considered Spartans. However, Covenant Separatist military Elites ARE allies to humanity, and will come to their aid when called upon, or vice versa. That is, and will be their relationship to one another for decades to come. So when Spartans and Elites are on a mission together, it’s because one asked the other for assistance, or because they are chasing down a common goal. Nothing more, nothing less.
> > > Spartan isn’t just a title though, it’s a branch. And Elites have NO PLACE in it. Just because Elites and Spartans are working together, doesn’t mean they are all Spartans. And the distinction between Spartans and Elites has been so clearly ironed into our heads from Halo 2 through Reach when picking your model clearly stated: SPARTAN or ELITE.
> >
> > Fine then, I’m willing to accept that the Sangheili wont be in the branch but I’m adamant about having mixed Fire teams instead of Elite only squads and SIV only squads. If you can think of a way to have mixed teams without them working in the same branch then I’m all ears.
> >
> > And I again just want to make it clear that in conversations I think that the Sangheili should still be called Elites and SIVs should still called SIVs (or possibly referred to as Mk IVs just like how Chief was referred to as a Mk II a few times). Making a distinction in conversation is still important but on paper they’ll all be Spartans.
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> > > That’s the thing, the word Elite is the human classification/title for the role played by the Sangheili race. Therefore, they should just continue to be called Elites. Just like Spartan is what they call an armoured human supersoldier.
> >
> > But the word Elite is just a nick name for what they are. SIV would be the equivalent of that not the title of Spartan. An Elite and SIV is what you are and what you’re probably going to be referred to as most of the time while both will be Spartans by title.
> >
> >
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> > > This point is just silly. No Elite player would ever want to be associated as a “Spartan” and most Spartan players don’t want their precious Spartans to be anything but human. Even in lore Elites would likely find it insulting to be considered a “Demon”
> >
> > I have to ask if you think that I’m suggesting that we replace the word Elite for the word Spartan. This isn’t what I’m saying at all. Elites will still be Elites and SIVs will still be SIVs.
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> I’m gonna put it in a way you can understand.
>
> Canadian Forces were called to Afghanistan to assist American forces during the war on Terror. Now I ask you, if a group of Canadian soldiers were sent on a mission accompanying a group of US Navy SEALs, would that mean that on-paper the Canadians would become SEALs?
>
> No, absolutely not. The Canadians are Canadians, they are a part of their OWN military, and there is no “Honorary Ameican” -Yoink!- involved. In this case it’s not just different nationalities but a completely different SPECIES. And both are part of their OWN separate militaries, with their OWN branches. So just because they work together in absolutely NO WAY means they need to become a part of the same branch or honorary to one another’s militaries.
>
> Elites are not, and will never EVER be considered Spartans. However, Covenant Separatist military Elites ARE allies to humanity, and will come to their aid when called upon, or vice versa. That is, and will be their relationship to one another for decades to come. So when Spartans and Elites are on a mission together, it’s because one asked the other for assistance, or because they are chasing down a common goal. Nothing more, nothing less.
Unless they start a new covenant, then they’ll have to set up melting their branches in together. This would set up some seriously interesting action if covenant separatist species came together with humans. It would allow new types of squads to come together and allow epic clashes between new covenant and old covenant banded with Remnant.
> > > Spartan isn’t just a title though, it’s a branch. And Elites have NO PLACE in it. Just because Elites and Spartans are working together, doesn’t mean they are all Spartans. And the distinction between Spartans and Elites has been so clearly ironed into our heads from Halo 2 through Reach when picking your model clearly stated: SPARTAN or ELITE.
> >
> > Fine then, I’m willing to accept that the Sangheili wont be in the branch but I’m adamant about having mixed Fire teams instead of Elite only squads and SIV only squads. If you can think of a way to have mixed teams without them working in the same branch then I’m all ears.
> >
> > And I again just want to make it clear that in conversations I think that the Sangheili should still be called Elites and SIVs should still called SIVs (or possibly referred to as Mk IVs just like how Chief was referred to as a Mk II a few times). Making a distinction in conversation is still important but on paper they’ll all be Spartans.
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> >
> > > That’s the thing, the word Elite is the human classification/title for the role played by the Sangheili race. Therefore, they should just continue to be called Elites. Just like Spartan is what they call an armoured human supersoldier.
> >
> > But the word Elite is just a nick name for what they are. SIV would be the equivalent of that not the title of Spartan. An Elite and SIV is what you are and what you’re probably going to be referred to as most of the time while both will be Spartans by title.
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> > > This point is just silly. No Elite player would ever want to be associated as a “Spartan” and most Spartan players don’t want their precious Spartans to be anything but human. Even in lore Elites would likely find it insulting to be considered a “Demon”
> >
> > I have to ask if you think that I’m suggesting that we replace the word Elite for the word Spartan. This isn’t what I’m saying at all. Elites will still be Elites and SIVs will still be SIVs.
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> I’m gonna put it in a way you can understand.
>
> Canadian Forces were called to Afghanistan to assist American forces during the war on Terror. Now I ask you, if a group of Canadian soldiers were sent on a mission accompanying a group of US Navy SEALs, would that mean that on-paper the Canadians would become SEALs?
>
> No, absolutely not. The Canadians are Canadians, they are a part of their OWN military, and there is no “Honorary Ameican” -Yoink!- involved. In this case it’s not just different nationalities but a completely different SPECIES. And both are part of their OWN separate militaries, with their OWN branches. So just because they work together in absolutely NO WAY means they need to become a part of the same branch or honorary to one another’s militaries.
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> Elites are not, and will never EVER be considered Spartans. However, Covenant Separatist military Elites ARE allies to humanity, and will come to their aid when called upon, or vice versa. That is, and will be their relationship to one another for decades to come. So when Spartans and Elites are on a mission together, it’s because one asked the other for assistance, or because they are chasing down a common goal. Nothing more, nothing less.
Thank you for incorporating my points in your own rebuttal. Perhaps we could focus on something else now?
> Canadian Forces were called to Afghanistan to assist American forces during the war on Terror. Now I ask you, if a group of Canadian soldiers were sent on a mission accompanying a group of US Navy SEALs, would that mean that on-paper the Canadians would become SEALs?
>
> No, absolutely not. The Canadians are Canadians, they are a part of their OWN military, and there is no “Honorary Ameican” -Yoink!- involved. In this case it’s not just different nationalities but a completely different SPECIES. And both are part of their OWN separate militaries, with their OWN branches. So just because they work together in absolutely NO WAY means they need to become a part of the same branch or honorary to one another’s militaries.
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> Elites are not, and will never EVER be considered Spartans. However, Covenant Separatist military Elites ARE allies to humanity, and will come to their aid when called upon, or vice versa. That is, and will be their relationship to one another for decades to come. So when Spartans and Elites are on a mission together, it’s because one asked the other for assistance, or because they are chasing down a common goal. Nothing more, nothing less.
You seem to think that I don’t understand what you think should happen between the Separatists and UNSC. The first time you brought this up I did reply and my point still stands:
> > As well, just because the Arbiter is cooperating with the UNSC does NOT mean him, or his followers are a part of the UNSC’s navy, honorary or otherwise. However it DOES mean the possibility of being granted the ability to train with and accompany UNSC naval forces exists. What this means, basically, is not that an Elite would become a member of a Spartan squad, but rather that Elite forces, and vice versa Spartan forces, may be put in a situation to effectively ‘tag along’ with a Spartan Squad or Elite Squad under the premise of full cooperation for the duration of the mission. And Elites would be allowed to utilize War Games simulations alongside Spartans for training purposes.
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> This does make sense and it is a possibility. I can even imagine cool ways of how it could work for some really cool situations.
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> But it has just one flaw. Having Fire teams consisting of mixes of both SIVs and Sangheili wouldn’t exist. Which would really suck because having a team with mixed troops could lead to so many cool characters. I want mixed teams that work together just like Majestic does but the only difference is that some of the members would be Sangheili. Can you imagine just how cool that would be!
And I’m going to guess that when the Canadians and Seals teamed up there weren’t mixed squads consisting of both Canadians and Seals just Seal squads and Canadian squads working towards the same goal. Having mixed squads is something that I think would be very cool but I’ve said that already. And as I’ve already said before, what you’re suggesting that the Separatists and UNSC do is a completely reasonable thing to suggest but the one flaw of them working as separate forces is that there will be no mixed squads which will be a bit of a let down story wise and in some ways even game play wise.
But again if you can think of a way to have mixed squads while also having the Sangheili work as a completely separate military then I’m all ears. If you can sort that out I’ll be satisfied.
And that’s not to say that I want Thel’s military to be completely absorbed by the Spartans. just a few hundred Sangheili foot soldiers should be Spartans and fight with the SIVs. While Thel should still have his military force in it’s entirety and be run by Thel and other Separatist leaders independently as their own full fledged faction. Think of it as a gesture of good will by the Arbiter along with an assurance to him that the UNSC trusts him so much and has nothing to hide that they’re willing to have his men living and working on one of their greatest assets. And since Arbiter will still have his own military there’s no reason why we still couldn’t have the UNSC and Separatists team up in the way that you suggest.
IDEA! How cool would it be if both factions traded a few soldiers instead of it being one way? Some Sangheili can join the Spartan branch while some SIVs can go work for the Arbiter? Just think of the story potential in that! Screw Palmer, Lasky, Infinity and the Branch, sign me up for a trip to Sanghelios!
And I just want to make the point to everyone that I don’t think the Sangheili’s culture should be used as a reason for them not to become Spartans. Up until a few years ago they thought that they were put in this galaxy by Forerunners to be the protectors of the Prophets and help them wipe out all life in the galaxy including themselves. This along with the fact that if the Sangheili are going to survive then they are going to have to start being farmers, mechanics and whatever their equivalent of that guy who buys beer for teenagers is as their main occupations. The sangheili are going through a huge cultural shift right now so I think anything could be possible with them.
And Waltey’s on the right track, lets just hope that whatever unity Humanity, The Sangheili, The Jiralhanea etc find themselves in it’s a lot more on the equal rights of all sentient species side of things then past powers have been.
Guys, I think we have just about discussed this topic to death. I don’t think it’s that big of a deal whether or not the elites are included within the UNSC or not. I realize that if playable elites return and 343 wants to keep canon in multiplayer that they will have to make up something, but they can simply just tell us that they are working together and that would be fine for me. We are really over thinking this and need to start talking about something else, so let me start a new topic.
If playable Elites do return, I think it would be cool if the differences between Spartans and Elites weren’t purely cosmetic. I would like them to have different but subtle ways they play. For example: Elites are taller and have longer legs, so maybe they could jump a little higher. Spartans are slightly smaller, so maybe they could crouch a little lower. Also, they could have slightly faster re-load times with their respective factions weapons. Nothing too game changing, but enough to make them feel different. What do you guys think? Any suggestions?
> Guys, I think we have just about discussed this topic to death. I don’t think it’s that big of a deal whether or not the elites are included within the UNSC or not. I realize that if playable elites return and 343 wants to keep canon in multiplayer that they will have to make up something, but they can simply just tell us that they are working together and that would be fine for me. We are really over thinking this and need to start talking about something else, so let me start a new topic.
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> If playable Elites do return, I think it would be cool if the differences between Spartans and Elites weren’t purely cosmetic. I would like them to have different but subtle ways they play. For example: Elites are taller and have longer legs, so maybe they could jump a little higher. Spartans are slightly smaller, so maybe they could crouch a little lower. Also, they could have slightly faster re-load times with their respective factions weapons. Nothing too game changing, but enough to make them feel different. What do you guys think? Any suggestions?
Agreed.
This was featured in Reach, when it included plasma weapon proficiency, higher athleticism in the Sangheili and replenishing health. I think it’s the reason the playlists were segregated. Although it would be cool, I think Elites and Spartans should just be equals in every way besides the apparent. But maybe it could act sort of like specializations and whatever those things are called. Minor alterations to gameplay. But I don’t think so.
Maybe though. Hmmm. Hmm. Not sure how I feel about it really.