Sangheili (Elites) In New Trilogy Matchmaking (Part 1)

> The Storm Elites and Elite minors are two completely different classes.

Indeed they are. Or should be anyway. I just don’t know if 343 is going to make that distinction themselves. And even if they do make the helmets for the Covenant Separatists different from the Loyalists, there’s still a chance that 343 might want to take that chance to make different designs again for the Minor Armor permutation.

And I really hope not. Of all the Elite helmet designs I’ve seen in all the Halo games, CE through 4, I think that the only one that really suited the Elites best was the standard Minor design in CE, 2, and 3. I’m all for different armor permutations of course, but as long as we still get to have the classic Minor helmet along with them that worked so well in the past games.

> > The Storm Elites and Elite minors are two completely different classes.
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> Indeed they are. Or should be anyway. I just don’t know if 343 is going to make that distinction themselves. And even if they do make the helmets for the Covenant Separatists different from the Loyalists, there’s still a chance that 343 might want to take that chance to make different designs again for the Minor Armor permutation.
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> And I really hope not. Of all the Elite helmet designs I’ve seen in all the Halo games, CE through 4, I think that the only one that really suited the Elites best was the standard Minor design in CE, 2, and 3. I’m all for different armor permutations of course, but as long as we still get to have the classic Minor helmet along with them that worked so well in the past games.

They could just modify what Bungie did in Reach where Spartan helms had little pieces that you could add unto helmets. This time though every helm could have different styles, so if you wanted to wear a storm elite’s minor helm you could, but you could also take on the classic Halo shark helmet if you preferred that instead.

> Don’t know if 343 has already scrapped this but if they could, could they please keep the original standard draconic helmet design of Halo: CE, 2, and 3? In Reach and 4, they made the standard helmets look weird. Moreso in 4.
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> Halo 3 Design:
> http://www.halopedia.org/images/a/a5/1208527543_Elites_standard_2.jpg
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> Halo 4 Design:
> http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130418061702/deadliestfiction/images/a/ac/2620206-Halo-4-Elite-halo-30585551-1349-1920.jpg

Actually, in Halo Reach the helmet (along with almost every other part of the Elites’ armour) was far more similar to the model used in Halo CE and 2 than Halo 3’s. Halo 3’s was the odd one out:

Halo CE:

Halo 2:

Halo Reach:

Guys,I’d like to bring to your attention a newly started thread regarding realistic suggestions for future Halo games.It was started 12 hours ago by the time this has been posted,by an Arbiter 617,a very profound member of the community.Regarded by some as the Steven Spielberg of Halo machinima.Please do check it out in the description below.

-Forum on Halo Waypoint:https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst235732_Realistic-Suggestions-for-Future-Halo-Games.aspx

-Publicity video on Youtube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG4pkoBf0Oc

-Source of suggestions written on forums:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIGzDwW9c10 (Comments Section)

> Guys,I’d like to bring to you a newly started thread regarding realistic suggestions for future Halo games.It was started 12 hours ago by the time this has been posted,by an Arbiter 617,a very profound member of the community.Regarded by some as the Steven Spielberg of Halo machinima.Please do check it out in the description below.
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> -Forum on Halo Waypoint:https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst235732_Realistic-Suggestions-for-Future-Halo-Games.aspx
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> -Publicity video on Youtube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG4pkoBf0Oc
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> -Source of suggestions written on forums:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIGzDwW9c10 (Comments Section)

If your gonna advertise something, don’t bother on a thread that is mainly focused on Sangheili. Your likely gonna catch trouble for doing stuff like this.

Wow! Really great to see that this thread is still going. I was really upset when I first heard Elites weren’t going to be playable in halo 4. It gives me hope that they will be back after seeing so many other people still care. Hopefully, more people will start supporting our goal of getting playable Elites in Halo 5 now that there has been some news of it. How awesome would it be if 343 actually listened to us and gave us our Sangheili avatars back.

> > Guys,I’d like to bring to you a newly started thread regarding realistic suggestions for future Halo games.It was started 12 hours ago by the time this has been posted,by an Arbiter 617,a very profound member of the community.Regarded by some as the Steven Spielberg of Halo machinima.Please do check it out in the description below.
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> > -Forum on Halo Waypoint:https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst235732_Realistic-Suggestions-for-Future-Halo-Games.aspx
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> > -Publicity video on Youtube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG4pkoBf0Oc
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> > -Source of suggestions written on forums:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIGzDwW9c10 (Comments Section)
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> If your gonna advertise something, don’t bother on a thread that is mainly focused on Sangheili. Your likely gonna catch trouble for doing stuff like this.

I sincerely apologize if I have offended anyone.I publicized this out of my own free will.However,it was started by a person whom has a considerably larger sphere of influence than any of us,and he is an avid supporter of including Sangheili in Halo Xbox One,which is an extreme benefit to us.The thread also shows the desire for the return of the Sangheili,but not purely and exclusively focused upon.I rest my case and I shall yield.

> never thought of it that way…
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> but now that you mention it, it does make sense for there to be armor varaients only for the arbiter and chief.
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> but how bout the kadion armor
> or supreme commander armor

Don’t see a reason why the Kaidon and Supreme Commander armours couldn’t be in. The Supreme Commander armour probably shouldn’t have the cloak though.

I want to see Honour Guard armour from Halo 2 as an armour permutation if playable elites return. I’m a Spartan player 99% of the time but I’d probably switch to playing an Elite permanently if the Honour Guard armour was available.

> > never thought of it that way…
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> > but now that you mention it, it does make sense for there to be armor varaients only for the arbiter and chief.
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> > but how bout the kadion armor
> > or supreme commander armor
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> Don’t see a reason why the Kaidon and Supreme Commander armours couldn’t be in. The Supreme Commander armour probably shouldn’t have the cloak though.
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> I want to see Honour Guard armour from Halo 2 as an armour permutation if playable elites return. I’m a Spartan player 99% of the time but I’d probably switch to playing an Elite permanently if the Honour Guard armour was available.

I’d like having a cloak in, it’d be an interesting addition to customization. Peeps could either have it on or remove it. It would only provide a slight disadvantage to players using it as people could see them if they saw it while turning a corner or other stuff like that. I’d also find it interesting if they added in chief’s robes he wears in the Halo Xbox One trailer, not only for Spartans but for Elites as well. It would allow a new breed of customization for players if they delved further into this. They should just include all armors that are currently known about and add in new armors as well.

Btw thanks Thel for publicizing that new thread it gives us another thread to thrive in as well as voice opinions on things that differ from this Sangheili thread. I personally find the list he made very delicious and each point could be further built on.

I don’t see it being possible now…but…it would be amazing if 343 somehow got playable Elites in Halo 4…even this late in its lifespan. Highly doubt it will happen, but still would be awesome.

> I don’t see it being possible now…but…it would be amazing if 343 somehow got playable Elites in Halo 4…even this late in its lifespan. Highly doubt it will happen, but still would be awesome.

It’s not even close to being possible at this point really. It’s better to just hope and pray that the next game will at least redeem itself of what Halo 4 failed to provide.

> Actually, in Halo Reach the helmet (along with almost every other part of the Elites’ armour) was far more similar to the model used in Halo CE and 2 than Halo 3’s. Halo 3’s was the odd one out

That may indeed be but it is kinda beside the point. The helmet I’d like to point out the most is Halo 4’s since that may be what future designs will be based off of. Which would be terrible because 4, IMAO, has the worst design of them all by a longshot.

But maybe that was the point for the Storm Elites. They wanted them to look straight up like the bad guys. If so, then full steam ahead. AS LONG AS I can keep my standard Minor helmet as I’ve said a billion times already now.

> > Actually, in Halo Reach the helmet (along with almost every other part of the Elites’ armour) was far more similar to the model used in Halo CE and 2 than Halo 3’s. Halo 3’s was the odd one out
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> That may indeed be but it is kinda beside the point. The helmet I’d like to point out the most is Halo 4’s since that may be what future designs will be based off of. Which would be terrible because 4, IMAO, has the worst design of them all by a longshot.
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> But maybe that was the point for the Storm Elites. They wanted them to look straight up like the bad guys. If so, then full steam ahead. AS LONG AS I can keep my standard Minor helmet as I’ve said a billion times already now.

The only Halo 4 Elite armors I didn’t really like were the minor and ranger armor. I think the minors armor should be like the Halo 3 combat armor and rangers should look more like they did in reach. Other than those two, I liked the ways the armors changed, especially how the spec ops armor turned into the zealot armor. Its shoulder guards just need to be bigger. Anyways, it would be cool if 343 gave us the option to wear the newer storm armor as well as older style armors IF we are able to play as Elites.

I just want to mention that I clicked Thanks, but got an error. Ergo, total number of thanks may be higher than it seems.

> > > Actually, in Halo Reach the helmet (along with almost every other part of the Elites’ armour) was far more similar to the model used in Halo CE and 2 than Halo 3’s. Halo 3’s was the odd one out
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> > That may indeed be but it is kinda beside the point. The helmet I’d like to point out the most is Halo 4’s since that may be what future designs will be based off of. Which would be terrible because 4, IMAO, has the worst design of them all by a longshot.
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> > But maybe that was the point for the Storm Elites. They wanted them to look straight up like the bad guys. If so, then full steam ahead. AS LONG AS I can keep my standard Minor helmet as I’ve said a billion times already now.
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> The only Halo 4 Elite armors I didn’t really like were the minor and ranger armor. I think the minors armor should be like the Halo 3 combat armor and rangers should look more like they did in reach. Other than those two, I liked the ways the armors changed, especially how the spec ops armor turned into the zealot armor. Its shoulder guards just need to be bigger. Anyways, it would be cool if 343 gave us the option to wear the newer storm armor as well as older style armors IF we are able to play as Elites.

Honestly,I do like the look of the Halo 4 Ranger helmet,but the skin tight suit and general lack of armor puts me off.I also like what they did with the Unggoy and Kig-Yar Rangers.Their space suits are just so futuristic.What I would like to see is an armor configuration specialized for exoatmospheric aircraft interface,a vacuum sealed suit,but not designed with extra vehicular activity in mind.Similar to the Aviator armor in Halo 4 in terms of usage,but not appearance.

Ya, their helmets are just so big though. It makes them look like bobble heads. Some parts do look cool, but 343 needs to change them. At first I didn’t like the new grunt and jackal designs just because they were so different, but now i think they look pretty cool. I especially like the new jackals head. As for the idea of an Elite flight suit, the more customization the better. I hope we can get more armor for our elites than just what we see in the campaign.

> Ya, their helmets are just so big though. It makes them look like bobble heads. Some parts do look cool, but 343 needs to change them. At first I didn’t like the new grunt and jackal designs just because they were so different, but now i think they look pretty cool. I especially like the new jackals head. As for the idea of an Elite flight suit, the more customization the better. I hope we can get more armor for our elites than just what we see in the campaign.

Luckily 343i actually decided to make an explanation for the change in the Jackal’s appearance. Although, it took them long after the game came out, and after many artistic criticisms had been made; unlike Reach, where they explained where the Skirmishers came from.

As for the Grunts I can explain the legitimate problems with their design.

> I’m still bothered by the scales on the Grunt’s arms and legs, along with the fact that they have butts, 6-packs, and belly-buttons. They are arthropods and should have an exoskeleton, like arthropods do; not mammalian features like they do in Halo 4 for reasons that boggle my mind.
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> Also, while I have no problem with designing different face-masks, like the Ultra in Reach, why did they chose to stick a pipe up the Grunt’s nose? Basic biology will tell you that should not work as the nostrils would connect to the mouth, so then all the Methane would seep out their mouths and they would be inhaling Oxygen and die.
> Even if the Grunt’s biology turns out that the respiratory system is entirely separate from the digestive, then why would some Grunts wear face masks in the first place? If it turns out to be for protection, then why wouldn’t they all be wearing them, as the things seem pretty cheap and common?

I am in agreement with more customization for the Elites, though. Campaign armors shouldn’t be the limit, Halo 3 followed this, but Reach didn’t sadly. Elites in MP have gotten really screwed over since Reach, and making an equally expansive armory to that of the Spartans is needed to truly bring Elites back.

If Elites return, please 343i, please give them their own respective armor unlocks. Bungie did a terrible job of just making ‘sets’ rather than allowing us to mix and match in Reach. And helmets aside, the unlocks in 3 were minor and boring.

> > Ya, their helmets are just so big though. It makes them look like bobble heads. Some parts do look cool, but 343 needs to change them. At first I didn’t like the new grunt and jackal designs just because they were so different, but now i think they look pretty cool. I especially like the new jackals head. As for the idea of an Elite flight suit, the more customization the better. I hope we can get more armor for our elites than just what we see in the campaign.
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> Luckily 343i actually decided to make an explanation for the change in the Jackal’s appearance. Although, it took them long after the game came out, and after many artistic criticisms had been made; unlike Reach, where they explained where the Skirmishers came from.
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> As for the Grunts I can explain the legitimate problems with their design.
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> > I’m still bothered by the scales on the Grunt’s arms and legs, along with the fact that they have butts, 6-packs, and belly-buttons. They are arthropods and should have an exoskeleton, like arthropods do; not mammalian features like they do in Halo 4 for reasons that boggle my mind.
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> > Also, while I have no problem with designing different face-masks, like the Ultra in Reach, why did they chose to stick a pipe up the Grunt’s nose? Basic biology will tell you that should not work as the nostrils would connect to the mouth, so then all the Methane would seep out their mouths and they would be inhaling Oxygen and die.
> > Even if the Grunt’s biology turns out that the respiratory system is entirely separate from the digestive, then why would some Grunts wear face masks in the first place? If it turns out to be for protection, then why wouldn’t they all be wearing them, as the things seem pretty cheap and common?
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> I am in agreement with more customization for the Elites, though. Campaign armors shouldn’t be the limit, Halo 3 followed this, but Reach didn’t sadly. Elites in MP have gotten really screwed over since Reach, and making an equally expansive armory to that of the Spartans is needed to truly bring Elites back.

Indeed,the aesthetics of the Unggoy do puzzle me,and did anyone notice how they seemingly have vents up their -Yoink-,which occasionally released green gas which would cause them to maintain temporary elevation and flight.

As for the exoatmospheric aircraft interface armour permutation I spoke of,I’d like the helmet to look like that of the Kig-Yar Ranger,that’d just blow my mind.Regarding how armors are unlocked,I think they should be more RPG style like they did for Spartans in Reach,purchasing them with credits earned from battles,unlike being unlocked by achieving a certain level or status.Concerning the role of sniping,I’d like to see Sangheili marksmen armor permutations.It does strike me as odd how the Covenant didn’t employ dedicated Sangheili marksmanship squads,and instead left this role solely to Kig-Yar snipers.There should be some sort of specialized sharpshooter class of Sangheili,equipped with relatively little and lightweight armour and having weaker shields,fulfilling a similar role to Special Operations Sangheili but only having extraordinarily long-rage target purging in mind and designed for the elimination of high-priority targets.This does give me an idea for Sangheili wrist/utility items,perhaps some plasma cartridges that’d be purely aesthetic of course,with all of it being solid except this glowing line of purple plasma along the centre to make it stand out.

I have to agree with you guys on the Unggoy’s new appearance. They have to be a new sub-species right? There’s no way that can only be an artistic change, they’re so different to the point where I could believe that they are a completely different species.

Anyways as for what we should see in the way Elite customization in the future I’d like to see the armor permutations be less based on rank like General, Officer etc and be more like the armor we see the SIVs using.

By this I mean we should have armor that’s designed to deal with different situations kinda like how the SIVs have armor that’s built for vehicle use, Scouting, Intelligence gathering, Sniping etc. It’s this kinda armor that I feel has a personality to it and can reflect on a players personality and play style while armor that’s just based on rank may look cool but that’s about all there is to it.

Armor like the Ranger, Flight and Spec ops are good examples of what the armor should be. They’ve even got their own SIV equivalents with the Orbital, Aviator and Wet work armor sets. In fact now that I think about it all of Halo 3’s Elite armor has an equivalent except Ascetic (I want whatever that equivalent would be).

We need Elites that use armor built for Sniping, Orbital drops, explosives, vehicle use, Scouting, Intelligence gathering, Engineering, Security, Turret usage, Sports, tracking, CQC. I want the Elites you guys play as to be able to complete any task my SIV can.