Sangheili (Elites) In New Trilogy Matchmaking (Part 1)

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > > > > Not really. <mark>Also 343I could use games like H2 and H3 for references when making Elites.</mark> Also maybe we should just shove all the Spartans under one playlist and call it “Insurrectionist” where they just fight insurrectionists. Finally, forcing people to play one gametype just to play their desired player model is ridiculous, and trust me if they did that to the Spartan players, the fanbase would bring 343I to their knees because they’re the bigger community.
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> > > > Precisely! They could see what worked and didn’t work with those models, and make one that more or less solves what problems the others had. Yes, I know, easier said than done, but still… I’m sure they could come up with something…
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> > > > <mark>I hope 343 will eventually notice this thread</mark>, maybe even respond to it and say what their plans are concerning the Elites.
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> > > Rest assured, there is no way they haven’t.
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> > > Honestly though, I don’t see them returning as playable characters.
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> > You shut your -Yoink!- mouth!
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> > Seriously though, elaborate. Why would you not see Sangheili returning? They have been playable in every Halo game, except Halo:CE, Halo:ODST, and Halo 4. They are a part of Halo. They’ve attracted a huge fan base of die-hard Sangheili fans. There would only be a negative effect if Sangheili didn’t return. And 343i hasn’t said anything on the subject, other than moving this thread to the “Halo Xbox One” forum, which I would say is a plus.
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> Bro…language

Hey, If it’s not blocked by “-Yoink-” then I say it’s fair game. And I’m just kidding.

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> > > I was just thinking, and maybe it’s a good thing 343i hasn’t responded to this thread. Look at the Halo 4 Custom Games, Forge and other threads about missing features. 343i commented on those and nothing happened for them, but they haven’t commented here.
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> > This thread is calling for playable Sangheili in the next Halo game, not Halo 4. Also, there is not really much they can say on this thread. It’s a yes or no answer, there’s no going around it.
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> > Though, that being said, Custom Games, Forge, and Theater are also very important to the Halo community. It is imperative that 343i improve upon them, as well as balancing out Halo MP to a stable, long-lasting, and fun experience that attracts more players as well as keeping a majority of the community satisfied and happy.
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> Not to mention I’ve been hearing demands for elites even outside these forums.
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> Besides if your playing the same species every time it’s nothing new.
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> Thats why I haven’t played any of the other first person shooting games.
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> Thats not saying there bad they are not my cup of tea.

Exactly. In fact, very few people of the Halo community actively voice their opinions on Waypoint. There are hundreds more that call for Sangheili being playable. I’m sure 343i knows that as well.

While I disagree on disliking other shooter for the simple fact that you can only be human, I play other shooters all the time, but I do agree that Halo having different playable species is one of the many things that made Halo stand out among the others of the genre.

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> > I honestly don’t care if Elites are a selectable character in multiplayer. In fact I hope they aren’t. It would take too much time for 343 to try to balance them (their size/hitbox) and well as give them custom armor pieces that could be used to work on other more important things.
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> > However, that being said, I would love to see Invasion return.
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> So basically what your saying is that you would rather have Cookies’n cream cake, but without the cake part then and prefer to just keep it plain and not added anything special.
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> Just saying, considering your speaking in a Elite Forum topic that has a lot of support on it and such. That plus the fact that Invasion just isn’t fun if it is just Spartans focusing on each other and that is it. No variety, no extra stuff added, no nothing. Just simple and boring.

Your analogies make no sense… Anyways, elites could stay in invasion as their size wouldn’t need to be balanced in that game mode. I just don’t really see a need for them outside of that though. Sure it is a cool little extra but is honestly so minuscule that I’d rather just see 343 focus time and resources elsewhere.

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> > > I honestly don’t care if Elites are a selectable character in multiplayer. In fact I hope they aren’t. It would take too much time for 343 to try to balance them (their size/hitbox) and well as give them custom armor pieces that could be used to work on other more important things.
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> > > However, that being said, I would love to see Invasion return.
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> > So basically what your saying is that you would rather have Cookies’n cream cake, but without the cake part then and prefer to just keep it plain and not added anything special.
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> > Just saying, considering your speaking in a Elite Forum topic that has a lot of support on it and such. That plus the fact that Invasion just isn’t fun if it is just Spartans focusing on each other and that is it. No variety, no extra stuff added, no nothing. Just simple and boring.
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> Your analogies make no sense… Anyways, elites could stay in invasion as their size wouldn’t need to be balanced in that game mode. I just don’t really see a need for them outside of that though. Sure it is a cool little extra but is honestly so minuscule that I’d rather just see 343 focus time and resources elsewhere.

So I see this is not about hate on Sangheili,but purely seeing them as something superficial and a waste of time and resources.Let me just tell you that a large part of the Halo community wants them back,even Spartan players share the same sentiments.Think about what makes Halo great,the lore,matchmaking?Yes and yes,but there’s so much more to Halo than that.Machinima produced by the community shows interaction between players and the lore,regardless of whether or not they are basing it off events in Halo,as long as it fundamentally shows them utilizing the lore.Bringing back Sangheili adds a whole new level of depth to possible storyline and plot in Machinima.You will not believe how many directors favor Halo Reach over Halo 4 just because they have Sangheili in it.I often speak about machinima in my posts,but let me tell you this:Frank O’Connor has understood the community’s needs and wants,and Sangheili are just one of them.

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Thing is there are far more species now than before, why should it only be Elites? Especially if we don’t even play as them again in 5…

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Is there another sub-species of sangheili perchance? I’ve always had that question in the back of my mind, but never had the dedication to Elites to look it up.

Similar to the relationship of the Skirmisher to the Jackal.

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> Thing is there are far more species now than before, why should it only be Elites? Especially if we don’t even play as them again in 5…

Firstly,Sangheili have been a player model option from Halo 2 to Reach and are considered the Covenant analogue to Spartans,hence placing these two in the same multiplayer matchmaking is extremely compatible.Secondly,Halo Xbox One has only half the development time of Halo 4 and you are asking of the possible intergration of new species,the likes of which have never been playable before.This will sap a great deal of time and resources 343i cannot afford.Sangheili have been in many of the previous Halo games and can be referenced upon for Halo Xbox One.If you are speaking of Promethean Knights,that idea is entirely unfeasible.They differ too much from Spartans and Sangheili and will not be compatible.They will face balacning issues and such and the concept as playing as one is inconceivable.

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> Is there another sub-species of sangheili perchance? I’ve always had that question in the back of my mind, but never had the dedication to Elites to look it up.
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> Similar to the relationship of the Skirmisher to the Jackal.

I highly doubt so.If there was such a thing,evidence would most likely be documented and we would see this sub-species in the field of combat.Sangheili are a highly developed species and if there were sub-species present amongst them they’d know and use the genetic differences of this sub-species to their advantage on the battlefield.Similar to that of how Jackals acted as steel walls and halted military advance,while the Skirmishers would perform flanking maneuvers and disorientate the opponent.It is possible that the Sangheili may experiment on genetic enhancement to improve combat efficiency,but the use of this kind of technology has not been observed in Halo hence that theory’s realization is quite unlikely.

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> > Thing is there are far more species now than before, why should it only be Elites? Especially if we don’t even play as them again in 5…
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> Firstly,Sangheili have been a player model option from Halo 2 to Reach and are considered the Covenant analogue to Spartans,hence placing these two in the same multiplayer matchmaking is extremely compatible.Secondly,Halo Xbox One has only half the development time of Halo 4 and you are asking of the possible intergration of new species,the likes of which have never been playable before.This will sap a great deal of time and resources 343i cannot afford.Sangheili have been in many of the previous Halo games and can be referenced upon for Halo Xbox One.If you are speaking of Promethean Knights,that idea is entirely unfeasible.They differ too much from Spartans and Sangheili and will not be compatible.They will face balacning issues and such and the concept as playing as one is inconceivable.

They were brought into multiplayer in 2 since that was when they were first usable players in campaign as well as teaming up with Humanity in campaign as well. I don’t see the new Covies joining with us in the next game, perhaps the Arbiter will pop in for a scene or two, but that does not mean we need to play as them in multiplayer.

I get they are “equal” to Spartans (which is very arguable) but again, does not render them a necessity to have in multiplayer. I’m fully confident in Halo and it’s future without having Elites being playable characters in multiplayer.

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> > > Thing is there are far more species now than before, why should it only be Elites? Especially if we don’t even play as them again in 5…
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> > Firstly,Sangheili have been a player model option from Halo 2 to Reach and are considered the Covenant analogue to Spartans,hence placing these two in the same multiplayer matchmaking is extremely compatible.Secondly,Halo Xbox One has only half the development time of Halo 4 and you are asking of the possible intergration of new species,the likes of which have never been playable before.This will sap a great deal of time and resources 343i cannot afford.Sangheili have been in many of the previous Halo games and can be referenced upon for Halo Xbox One.If you are speaking of Promethean Knights,that idea is entirely unfeasible.They differ too much from Spartans and Sangheili and will not be compatible.They will face balacning issues and such and the concept as playing as one is inconceivable.
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> They were brought into multiplayer in 2 since that was when they were first usable players in campaign as well as teaming up with Humanity in campaign as well. I don’t see the new Covies joining with us in the next game, perhaps the Arbiter will pop in for a scene or two, but that does not mean we need to play as them in multiplayer.
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> I get they are “equal” to Spartans (which is very arguable) but again, does not render them a necessity to have in multiplayer. I’m fully confident in Halo and it’s future without having Elites being playable characters in multiplayer.

PSA:Sangheili player models were featured in Halo Reach despite the fact they were our enemy.

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Whelp, based on the new Bulletin here , Apparently the Arbiter is actually still alive. But…I wonder if I should be worried about this whole diplomatic mission between him and the brutes…

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> Whelp, based on the new Bulletin here , Apparently the Arbiter is actually still alive. But…I wonder if I should be worried about this whole diplomatic mission between him and the brutes…

There was never a doubt that the Arbiter was still alive. Not all Jiralhanae are mindless monsters, so this ought to be very interesting. It’ll be nice to FINALLY see how Sanghelios is doing. I would think that by now Thel as unified most of Sanghelios, as well as most if not all colonial planets, with the exception of Hesduros.

I would love to see some insight of how the other Covenant client races are doing as well. Kig-Yar I would imagine are up to their usual pirating ways, Unggoy now back either living in poverty, slavery, or mercenary work (It would be really cool to see them as a unified race). Mgalekgolo, well, we don’t really know very much about their culture, so I would think they’re just either doing mercenary work or re-building their culture. Yanme’e on the other hand, now that will be interesting. What happened to all the Queens that were once owned by The Covenant? I would think they would want revenge…

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> Whelp, based on the new Bulletin here , Apparently the Arbiter is actually still alive. But…I wonder if I should be worried about this whole diplomatic mission between him and the brutes…

The Brutes are violent so we’ll probably see some delicious action with Elite and Human forces combining to combat the Brutes. It would really strengthen the already friendly ties between Sangheili and Human. I could also see the possibility of a radical group of Brutes who would rather join in with the Humans and Elites against the more rebellious of their people. They could be more intellectual (supposedly Brutes from the past reached the nuclear age without any outside help but blew themselves up with bombs putting them back) then the others or more in control of their rage. This mission though could make for a nice spin-off game from the ongoing Halo cycle.

@AStreamofCream
I can respect your opinion and I see the point. You believe that Elites are not a necessary part of multiplayer and are a waste of time, but yet other players find them as a necessity because Elites are part of the building blocks that make Halo the substance it is for them. I don’t think you would like it if 343 took out some of the things that made Halo the experience it is for you, well 343 did that to us, but some of us are faithful that they will return what was taken, especially when Frank came out with the admission that they did some things wrong to the community, he deserves steak.

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> > Whelp, based on the new Bulletin here , Apparently the Arbiter is actually still alive. But…I wonder if I should be worried about this whole diplomatic mission between him and the brutes…
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> The Brutes are violent so we’ll probably see some delicious action with Elite and Human forces combining to combat the Brutes. It would really strengthen the already friendly ties between Sangheili and Human. I could also see the possibility of a radical group of Brutes who would rather join in with the Humans and Elites against the more rebellious of their people. They could be more intellectual (supposedly Brutes from the past reached the nuclear age without any outside help but blew themselves up with bombs putting them back) then the others or more in control of their rage. This mission though could make for a nice spin-off game from the ongoing Halo cycle.
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> @AStreamofCream
> I can respect your opinion and I see the point. You believe that Elites are not a necessary part of multiplayer and are a waste of time, but yet other players find them as a necessity because Elites are part of the building blocks that make Halo the substance it is for them. I don’t think you would like it if 343 took out some of the things that made Halo the experience it is for you, well 343 did that to us, but some of us are faithful that they will return what was taken, especially when Frank came out with the admission that they did some things wrong to the community, he deserves steak.

Well something about the Brutes’ nature tells me that not all of them will sit down and talk diplomatics with the Sangheili.However,the Brutes by now have probably realised that they were deceived by the Prophets’ lies and perhaps harbour more trust with the Sangheili.I do see certain groups of Brutes forming separatist parties and allying with the Arbiter and his men.Brute culture has always been deeply imbedded in warfare and violence,so I don’t think that possible separatist Brute formations and those still loyal to the Prophets will engage politically.We just might see a fight on the face of the Brutes’ home world.Before the bloody civil war on Doisac between rival master-packs which plunged Jiralhanae into the pre-industrial age,they reached the Space Age on the technological achievement tier,which indicates substantial intelligence and most likely capable of rational thought.So politics isn’t so far fetched after all.

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Well… to be honest, I wouldn’t get my hopes up for this. If The Return is of any indication, war between Sangheili and Jiralhanae will last for about two or three more years.

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> Well… to be honest, I wouldn’t get my hopes up for this. If The Return is of any indication, war between Sangheili and Jiralhanae will last for about two or three more years.

Funny cause last time I checked, A Sangheili’s war is never over.

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Why not just do the Ranked/Social split and keep elites only in social playlists. The only problem i have seen people have is from the competitive people who don’t want elites in matchmaking because of hit boxes. So just put them in social. If i worked at 343 i would do the rank/social split the ranked would be exactly like Halo 3 except General might not be general might have a new title. And Social could be like Battlefields system lots of ranks and lots of exp needed for each one.

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> Why not just do the Ranked/Social split and keep elites only in social playlists. The only problem i have seen people have is from the competitive people who don’t want elites in matchmaking because of hit boxes. So just put them in social. If i worked at 343 i would do the rank/social split the ranked would be exactly like Halo 3 except General might not be general might have a new title. And Social could be like Battlefields system lots of ranks and lots of exp needed for each one.

So what your saying is that you rather not bother fixing the hit boxes while creating a better model of the elite’s, and segregate them from ever playing against other kinds of people online all because they just enjoy playing one particular species than the other. Sorry buddy but that sort of thing is just a complete no. It’s only going to make things worse on the Elite community that just want to play with their spartan buddies in Matchmaking, and it just seems completely unfair.

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> > Why not just do the Ranked/Social split and keep elites only in social playlists. The only problem i have seen people have is from the competitive people who don’t want elites in matchmaking because of hit boxes. So just put them in social. If i worked at 343 i would do the rank/social split the ranked would be exactly like Halo 3 except General might not be general might have a new title. And Social could be like Battlefields system lots of ranks and lots of exp needed for each one.
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> So what your saying is that you rather not bother fixing the hit boxes while creating a better model of the elite’s, and segregate them from ever playing against other kinds of people online all because they just enjoy playing one particular species than the other. Sorry buddy but that sort of thing is just a complete no. It’s only going to make things worse on the Elite community that just want to play with their spartan buddies in Matchmaking, and it just seems completely unfair.

My apologies if i offended you and any other elite players not my intention at all. Well if we give the MLG and competitive people what they want i would suggest the rank/social split. Ranked no AA’s no sprint starts are BR/Pistol or BR.AR weapons on the map no infinity. Then 343 could say we are adding elites to all gametypes ranked and social but hitboxes or any other problem would be looked into and maybe tweaked if needed to try and make things fair for both species. Social would however have AA’s and loadouts and sprint. 343 could even add back in an MLG playlist in ranked like they did in Halo 3.

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> > > Thing is there are far more species now than before, why should it only be Elites? Especially if we don’t even play as them again in 5…
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> > Firstly,Sangheili have been a player model option from Halo 2 to Reach and are considered the Covenant analogue to Spartans,hence placing these two in the same multiplayer matchmaking is extremely compatible.Secondly,Halo Xbox One has only half the development time of Halo 4 and you are asking of the possible intergration of new species,the likes of which have never been playable before.This will sap a great deal of time and resources 343i cannot afford.Sangheili have been in many of the previous Halo games and can be referenced upon for Halo Xbox One.If you are speaking of Promethean Knights,that idea is entirely unfeasible.They differ too much from Spartans and Sangheili and will not be compatible.They will face balacning issues and such and the concept as playing as one is inconceivable.
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> They were brought into multiplayer in 2 since that was when they were first usable players in campaign as well as teaming up with Humanity in campaign as well. I don’t see the new Covies joining with us in the next game, perhaps the Arbiter will pop in for a scene or two, but that does not mean we need to play as them in multiplayer.
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> I get they are “equal” to Spartans (which is very arguable) but again, does not render them a necessity to have in multiplayer. I’m fully confident in Halo and it’s future without having Elites being playable characters in multiplayer.

You’re speaking like there is only one faction of Elites in the Halo Universe, there are actually several, the two largest of which are the Covenant Remnant, who we saw in Halo 4, and the Covenant Separatists, led by the Arbiter who is still aligned with humanity.

As well, you’re speaking from a cold calculated logic. Yes they are unnecessary, but so is Armour, Armour Skins, Weapon Skins, Stances, Emblems, Service Tags. Even several weapons in the game, as for barebones you seriously don’t need more than a BR, AR, Sniper, Rocket Launcher, and Shotgun. Those five weapons are the only important weapons in the entire game, and everything else is just a modification on their niches.

A video game however, exists to create EMOTIONAL responses, not logical ones. And the emotions players tie in to their ability to relate and favour the Elite model over the Spartan model is a very important one for a demographic of the franchise.

How would you react to your favourite weapon being removed from the game? How would you react if you were told you couldn’t be your Spartan anymore and had to play as a Brute? You have emotional connections tying you to these aspects of the game, losing them directly impacts your ability to enjoy it as much as you enjoyed others in the franchise.

That is why this is important to us. We look back on Halo 2/3, and for some of us Reach, and we miss the characters that we identified with, we miss OUR characters, because OUR characters were Elites, and not Spartans. It does impact our opinion of the game, and if it doesn’t change we will always be less happy with the Halo franchise than we could be for just one small feature.