Sangheili (Elites) In New Trilogy Matchmaking (Part 1)

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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There are Sangheili Doctors they are just not looked apon with great honor but they exist. I’m sure that when the need for doctors gets out than it will raise more of an honorable position.

But change is hard for alot of people especially if it is something they have only known for thousands of years, but as history has shown with us, when they change comes and the people adopt it they pass what we even have. Since the Sangheili are basically the Space Japanese just think how they modernize so fast that they went on a rampage through Asia with no sign of being stopped. Remember the reason America fired the nukes is because President thought that the only way to beat the Japanese conventionally would cause for their entire people to be wiped out and neither faction wanted a war like that. Too many dead just for a something that could be solved easily.

Now think of it on the Scale of the Sangheili who has always been superior than us in Tech with the modern thoughts of humans based tactics an weapons along with their High Honor Status. Basically Modern Halo is Forerunner Tech which dominates everything The Covenant or we humans have made now what if they were to lose the mentality that Forerunner tech is holy. They would not longer revere engineer they way they did before, they would blow us out of the water.

Remember one of the main things holding the Covenant back was the lesser species like the grunts. Instead of entire squads of Elites being sent into battle and manning star ships and vehicles grunts, drones, engineers and lekgolo worms did those jobs. Thought Lekgolo weren’t as incompetent as grunts i would much rather deal with a squad of grunts being lead by an elite than a squad of Minors being lead by a major or even worst Ultras leading Majors. Not to mention that if grunts weren’t around as much to hold back the Covenant from ground engagements.

Just thinking about Elites deploying Hunters and drones as average troops would be terrible. Our only hope would be trying to defeat the elites after they using forerunner tech and treating every species as equals while not employing grunts they would jump on the treat level. Think about it just Hunters, Elites, and Drones. Since elites never really liked jackals so i’m assuming they would just use them for info instead of troops.

Fighting a force with better information, technology, troops, tactics, and see death as a glorious release would be an impossible foe to defeat is what i’m getting at.

7943

> There are Sangheili Doctors they are just not looked apon with great honor but they exist. I’m sure that when the need for doctors gets out than it will raise more of an honorable position.
>
> But change is hard for alot of people especially if it is something they have only known for thousands of years, but as history has shown with us, when they change comes and the people adopt it they pass what we even have. Since the Sangheili are basically the Space Japanese just think how they modernize so fast that they went on a rampage through Asia with no sign of being stopped. Remember the reason America fired the nukes is because President thought that the only way to beat the Japanese conventionally would cause for their entire people to be wiped out and neither faction wanted a war like that. Too many dead just for a something that could be solved easily.
>
> Now think of it on the Scale of the Sangheili who has always been superior than us in Tech with the modern thoughts of humans based tactics an weapons along with their High Honor Status. Basically Modern Halo is Forerunner Tech which dominates everything The Covenant or we humans have made now what if they were to lose the mentality that Forerunner tech is holy. They would not longer revere engineer they way they did before, they would blow us out of the water.
>
> Remember one of the main things holding the Covenant back was the lesser species like the grunts. Instead of entire squads of Elites being sent into battle and manning star ships and vehicles grunts, drones, engineers and lekgolo worms did those jobs. Thought Lekgolo weren’t as incompetent as grunts i would much rather deal with a squad of grunts being lead by an elite than a squad of Minors being lead by a major or even worst Ultras leading Majors. Not to mention that if grunts weren’t around as much to hold back the Covenant from ground engagements.
>
> Just thinking about Elites deploying Hunters and drones as average troops would be terrible. Our only hope would be trying to defeat the elites after they using forerunner tech and treating every species as equals while not employing grunts they would jump on the treat level. Think about it just Hunters, Elites, and Drones. Since elites never really liked jackals so i’m assuming they would just use them for info instead of troops.
>
> Fighting a force with better information, technology, troops, tactics, and see death as a glorious release would be an impossible foe to defeat is what i’m getting at.

Well hard to defeat not impossible.

7944

> > > > > > > > Guys, can you quite the whole role playing thing you got going on? If your gonna be doing that, do it somewhere else. This is a conversation topic, not some child’s play area.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. they are just joking around, so lighten up. As for a conversation going on their are pretty much none because we’ve discuss the same things over and over again. We also had page long topics we’ve already discussed, so really what can we discuss with out repeating what others have already said. Through these 378+ pages we’ve have filled with our topics on the subject…I mean really what is their to discuss here without going on and on about the same thing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We can discuss the economic struggles of the Sangheili farmers. I don’t think you guys have covered that.
> > > > >
> > > > > I can sume that up in one sentence. They are pretty much screwed.
> > > > >
> > > > > All Sangheili are born and raised warriors. Anything besides that is a hobby at much. They will have to cope with the worst part of the life of a human: finding a job.
> > > >
> > > > They’re an intelligent race I think they will figure it out. Humanity has un-manned tractors in Halo so the Covenant could figure them out if they haven’t already. Karen Travis did a good job retconning elites but the fact of the matter is that a lot of them were commanders and commanders have to have good organizational abilities such as feeding their troops, housing them, their transportation, etc… So while it would take some time for them to get used to peace I don’t think they would have as much trouble as 343 would have us believe. As far as jobs go unless their honor code has a problem with it I see them becoming mercenaries like the Ancient Greeks and the Vikings.
> > >
> > > Yea but supposedly Thel has started adopting human tactics in war. I can see Elites following him more easily taking on jobs like doctor and engineer. If this were to happen then they might advance their technology further and become able to rebuild their fleet becoming an equal to humanity after a bit of time. Maybe we could even see Juggernauts rise up with the new technology (Elite version of Spartans). I could see the new tech getting stolen by fanatics and rebel groups like Jul’s army.
> > > After some time I think we might be able to see new species join humanity. It would be nice being able to fly a bugger into battle, I can see it being more realistic with a marine rather than a Spartan/ Elite that weighs quite a bit more.
> > > This thread can keep going, we just need to work on old ideas and think of new ideas while we go through.
> >
> > Actually, there is a problem with the code of honor. Specifically towards the doctor thing.
> >
> > Sangheili are supersticious about spilling their blood. They believe that spilling blood like spilling one’s honor. (Reason behind the Berserk mechanic when an Elite loses its shields). Medics in general are frowned upon on their culture, as they make the body bleed without a battle, and well, by extention, any knid of experimentation towards the body of a Sangheili could be considered general offense, maybe even heresy.
> >
> > So sorry, unless we have an extremely open-minded subgroup (which we don’t have, because even the worst of the Sangheili have some standards) there will not be such a thing as an augmented Elite.
>
> I actually had an idea for such a sub-group that is a little more open minded and an idea for how they could eventually acquire the research needed to make Covenant spartans. It was jut some stupid ideas I had for fan fic before I started working on a original stupid idea.

It’s not a stupid idea. It already sounds interesting.

> | The only way I could currently see any Sangheili altering their bodies in any fashion at all, is if it’s a faction that still believes in the Forerunners as “gods”. The reason I say this is due to Forerunner tech being “holy”. Thus any Sangheili deemed worthy to be infused or allowed to work with said technology could be a new prophet or holy warrior. This would be an excellent way for Jul’s followers to be test subjects for Halsey to help create “Super Sangheili”. In the process Halsey would get to fiddle with Forerunner tech and Sangheili anatomy. While Jul get’s super soldiers and more experience in an area previously considered heretical/dishonorable.
>
> Any other ideas or critiques of mine? |

Jul could tell his group that the Didact told him to use any forerunner tech as their own and to improve themselves in order to properly serve him or something like that.

7945

What’s up guys,my sincere apologies for my continued absence these past few days,I just couldn’t log into my Halo Waypoint account despite providing the correct email address and password.

These ‘Super Sangheili’ you speak of,since they will be infused with advanced Forerunner tech,well,their combat harnesses at least,does anyone think it fit that they should fill either a political,ceremonial or combat role.To my knowledge,no Sangheili rank has performed more than one of the above roles.The Guardsmen were more ceremonious,they didn’t engage in direct combat,and solely protected the Prophets.Biological changes to Sangheili anatomy are unlikely,the forerunners didn’t experiment with genetic enhancements,they only augmented their combat harnesses with newer technologies to improve their combat efficiency.

7946

> > > > > > > > > Guys, can you quite the whole role playing thing you got going on? If your gonna be doing that, do it somewhere else. This is a conversation topic, not some child’s play area.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1. they are just joking around, so lighten up. As for a conversation going on their are pretty much none because we’ve discuss the same things over and over again. We also had page long topics we’ve already discussed, so really what can we discuss with out repeating what others have already said. Through these 378+ pages we’ve have filled with our topics on the subject…I mean really what is their to discuss here without going on and on about the same thing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We can discuss the economic struggles of the Sangheili farmers. I don’t think you guys have covered that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can sume that up in one sentence. They are pretty much screwed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All Sangheili are born and raised warriors. Anything besides that is a hobby at much. They will have to cope with the worst part of the life of a human: finding a job.
> > > > >
> > > > > They’re an intelligent race I think they will figure it out. Humanity has un-manned tractors in Halo so the Covenant could figure them out if they haven’t already. Karen Travis did a good job retconning elites but the fact of the matter is that a lot of them were commanders and commanders have to have good organizational abilities such as feeding their troops, housing them, their transportation, etc… So while it would take some time for them to get used to peace I don’t think they would have as much trouble as 343 would have us believe. As far as jobs go unless their honor code has a problem with it I see them becoming mercenaries like the Ancient Greeks and the Vikings.
> > > >
> > > > Yea but supposedly Thel has started adopting human tactics in war. I can see Elites following him more easily taking on jobs like doctor and engineer. If this were to happen then they might advance their technology further and become able to rebuild their fleet becoming an equal to humanity after a bit of time. Maybe we could even see Juggernauts rise up with the new technology (Elite version of Spartans). I could see the new tech getting stolen by fanatics and rebel groups like Jul’s army.
> > > > After some time I think we might be able to see new species join humanity. It would be nice being able to fly a bugger into battle, I can see it being more realistic with a marine rather than a Spartan/ Elite that weighs quite a bit more.
> > > > This thread can keep going, we just need to work on old ideas and think of new ideas while we go through.
> > >
> > > Actually, there is a problem with the code of honor. Specifically towards the doctor thing.
> > >
> > > Sangheili are supersticious about spilling their blood. They believe that spilling blood like spilling one’s honor. (Reason behind the Berserk mechanic when an Elite loses its shields). Medics in general are frowned upon on their culture, as they make the body bleed without a battle, and well, by extention, any knid of experimentation towards the body of a Sangheili could be considered general offense, maybe even heresy.
> > >
> > > So sorry, unless we have an extremely open-minded subgroup (which we don’t have, because even the worst of the Sangheili have some standards) there will not be such a thing as an augmented Elite.
> >
> > I actually had an idea for such a sub-group that is a little more open minded and an idea for how they could eventually acquire the research needed to make Covenant spartans. It was jut some stupid ideas I had for fan fic before I started working on a original stupid idea.
>
> <mark>It’s not a stupid idea. It already sounds interesting.</mark>
>
>
>
> > | The only way I could currently see any Sangheili altering their bodies in any fashion at all, is if it’s a faction that still believes in the Forerunners as “gods”. The reason I say this is due to Forerunner tech being “holy”. Thus any Sangheili deemed worthy to be infused or allowed to work with said technology could be a new prophet or holy warrior. This would be an excellent way for Jul’s followers to be test subjects for Halsey to help create “Super Sangheili”. In the process Halsey would get to fiddle with Forerunner tech and Sangheili anatomy. While Jul get’s super soldiers and more experience in an area previously considered heretical/dishonorable.
> >
> > Any other ideas or critiques of mine? |
>
> Jul could tell his group that the Didact told him to use any forerunner tech as their own and to improve themselves in order to properly serve him or something like that.

Aw thanks man=)Maybe it is maybe it isn’t. Perhaps I should work on it some more and submit it somewhere and let others decide.

7947

> What’s up guys,my sincere apologies for my continued absence these past few days,I just couldn’t log into my Halo Waypoint account despite providing the correct email address and password.
>
> These ‘Super Sangheili’ you speak of,since they will be infused with advanced Forerunner tech,well,their combat harnesses at least,does anyone think it fit that they should fill either a political,ceremonial or combat role.To my knowledge,no Sangheili rank has performed more than one of the above roles.The Guardsmen were more ceremonious,they didn’t engage in direct combat,and solely protected the Prophets.Biological changes to Sangheili anatomy are unlikely,the forerunners didn’t experiment with genetic enhancements,they only augmented their combat harnesses with newer technologies to improve their combat efficiency.

If we ever see Sangheili spartans I think the genetic requirements should be even harder to match. That way if we ever play as them then we will be something truly special. Perhaps the elite spartan could be a limited edition bonus or something like that.

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I do hope we see more Sangheili fulfilling political and ceremonious functions.Frontline combat roles are rather mainstream,and the Zealots and Field Marshalls that we had in good old Reach weren’t exactly exclusive or entirely specialized.Their purpose was to recover Forerunner artifacts and command entire armies with the later.They were still frontline warriors.I’m much more interested in political positions and perhaps those and the ceremonious ones could have ‘little’ badges of honor.And by little I mean having Forerunner combat harnesses built to fit them and their anatomy.With glowing hardlight ornamental features built into their armour,just like the Didact’s.A nice canonical lore would be that these special Sangheili were hand picked by Jul and the Didact for showing tenacity and innate natural combat skill.The armour composed of similar material and texture as to the Promethean Knights armour.The combat harness would fit like an entire suit unlike Spartans and previous Sangheili,similar to the Knights’,looking as if an exoskeleton.If 343i were so in depth into the development of Sangheili player models and their function as AI in campaign and things like Firefight and Spartan Ops they could bestow an upon these special ranks an honor so heralded it would be:Giving these exclusive Sangheili a specialized blade arm,like the ones the Knights use but adapted for Sangheili use.Taking a step further and implementing it as a usable weapon in matchmaking and custom games would be sick.I do wish,however,that the political and ceremonious roles would have distinct armour differences,and not too similar.If the Sangheili were bestowed upon with such great honors,it’d be great as I think the arrival of the Knights really have affected the standing of the Sangheili.This would bring them back up the hierarchy line and they’d remain the Covenants’s go to personnel.
Alas,we can’t have nice things.
:stuck_out_tongue:

7949

> > There are Sangheili Doctors they are just not looked apon with great honor but they exist. I’m sure that when the need for doctors gets out than it will raise more of an honorable position.
> >
> > But change is hard for alot of people especially if it is something they have only known for thousands of years, but as history has shown with us, when they change comes and the people adopt it they pass what we even have. Since the Sangheili are basically the Space Japanese just think how they modernize so fast that they went on a rampage through Asia with no sign of being stopped. Remember the reason America fired the nukes is because President thought that the only way to beat the Japanese conventionally would cause for their entire people to be wiped out and neither faction wanted a war like that. Too many dead just for a something that could be solved easily.
> >
> > Now think of it on the Scale of the Sangheili who has always been superior than us in Tech with the modern thoughts of humans based tactics an weapons along with their High Honor Status. Basically Modern Halo is Forerunner Tech which dominates everything The Covenant or we humans have made now what if they were to lose the mentality that Forerunner tech is holy. They would not longer revere engineer they way they did before, they would blow us out of the water.
> >
> > Remember one of the main things holding the Covenant back was the lesser species like the grunts. Instead of entire squads of Elites being sent into battle and manning star ships and vehicles grunts, drones, engineers and lekgolo worms did those jobs. Thought Lekgolo weren’t as incompetent as grunts i would much rather deal with a squad of grunts being lead by an elite than a squad of Minors being lead by a major or even worst Ultras leading Majors. Not to mention that if grunts weren’t around as much to hold back the Covenant from ground engagements.
> >
> > Just thinking about Elites deploying Hunters and drones as average troops would be terrible. Our only hope would be trying to defeat the elites after they using forerunner tech and treating every species as equals while not employing grunts they would jump on the treat level. Think about it just Hunters, Elites, and Drones. Since elites never really liked jackals so i’m assuming they would just use them for info instead of troops.
> >
> > Fighting a force with better information, technology, troops, tactics, and see death as a glorious release would be an impossible foe to defeat is what i’m getting at.
>
> Well hard to defeat not impossible.

If an enemy has every edge than yes, they are impossible to beat.

7950

> > > Guys, can you quite the whole role playing thing you got going on? If your gonna be doing that, do it somewhere else. This is a conversation topic, not some child’s play area.
> >
> > 1. they are just joking around, so lighten up. As for a conversation going on their are pretty much none because we’ve discuss the same things over and over again. We also had page long topics we’ve already discussed, so really what can we discuss with out repeating what others have already said. Through these 378+ pages we’ve have filled with our topics on the subject…I mean really what is their to discuss here without going on and on about the same thing.
>
> We can discuss the economic struggles of the Sangheili farmers. I don’t think you guys have covered that.

Does not pertain to Sangheili being in matchmaking. Nice try.

7951

> > > > > Guys, can you quite the whole role playing thing you got going on? If your gonna be doing that, do it somewhere else. This is a conversation topic, not some child’s play area.
> > > >
> > > > 1. they are just joking around, so lighten up. As for a conversation going on their are pretty much none because we’ve discuss the same things over and over again. We also had page long topics we’ve already discussed, so really what can we discuss with out repeating what others have already said. Through these 378+ pages <mark>we’ve have filled with our topics on the subject</mark>…I mean really what is their to discuss here without going on and on about the same thing.
> > >
> > > We can discuss the economic struggles of the Sangheili farmers. I don’t think you guys have covered that.
> >
> > I can sume that up in one sentence. They are pretty much screwed.
> >
> > All Sangheili are born and raised warriors. Anything besides that is a hobby at much. They will have to cope with the worst part of the life of a human: finding a job.
>
> What about the social, political, ethical, and economical ramifications of cheap Grunt labor?
>
> If you guys need any more discussion material then I’ll keep it up.

Does not pertain to Elites being in matchmaking, don’t get me wrong I like having new discussion material, but my post was directed towards having topics based on the subject at hand.

7952

> > > There are Sangheili Doctors they are just not looked apon with great honor but they exist. I’m sure that when the need for doctors gets out than it will raise more of an honorable position.
> > >
> > > But change is hard for alot of people especially if it is something they have only known for thousands of years, but as history has shown with us, when they change comes and the people adopt it they pass what we even have. Since the Sangheili are basically the Space Japanese just think how they modernize so fast that they went on a rampage through Asia with no sign of being stopped. Remember the reason America fired the nukes is because President thought that the only way to beat the Japanese conventionally would cause for their entire people to be wiped out and neither faction wanted a war like that. Too many dead just for a something that could be solved easily.
> > >
> > > Now think of it on the Scale of the Sangheili who has always been superior than us in Tech with the modern thoughts of humans based tactics an weapons along with their High Honor Status. Basically Modern Halo is Forerunner Tech which dominates everything The Covenant or we humans have made now what if they were to lose the mentality that Forerunner tech is holy. They would not longer revere engineer they way they did before, they would blow us out of the water.
> > >
> > > Remember one of the main things holding the Covenant back was the lesser species like the grunts. Instead of entire squads of Elites being sent into battle and manning star ships and vehicles grunts, drones, engineers and lekgolo worms did those jobs. Thought Lekgolo weren’t as incompetent as grunts i would much rather deal with a squad of grunts being lead by an elite than a squad of Minors being lead by a major or even worst Ultras leading Majors. Not to mention that if grunts weren’t around as much to hold back the Covenant from ground engagements.
> > >
> > > Just thinking about Elites deploying Hunters and drones as average troops would be terrible. Our only hope would be trying to defeat the elites after they using forerunner tech and treating every species as equals while not employing grunts they would jump on the treat level. Think about it just Hunters, Elites, and Drones. Since elites never really liked jackals so i’m assuming they would just use them for info instead of troops.
> > >
> > > Fighting a force with better information, technology, troops, tactics, and see death as a glorious release would be an impossible foe to defeat is what i’m getting at.
> >
> > Well hard to defeat not impossible.
>
> If an enemy has every edge than yes, they are impossible to beat.

That is true but no enemy has every edge. There is always a weakness it is just a matter of finding it.

7953

You guys have been doing a great job at keeping this thread alive, as well as keeping the trolls at bay. The Sangheili will rise again, my friends.

I’m hoping that 343i will officially have some sort of response soon enough. Do you people remember when the first snippets of Halo 4 information came out? It was on some magazine I believe. Anyway, 343i really doesn’t seem to mind giving the community a good amount of news… (Compared to Bungie, anyway. They never really gave up much info about upcoming games… including Destiny) they literally just came out and said that Elites will not be playable. They will most likely reveal on whether Elites will be playable or not as soon as they start to give information about Halo 5.

And with 2014 fast approaching, that will be very soon.

7954

> You guys have been doing a great job at keeping this thread alive, as well as keeping the trolls at bay. The Sangheili will rise again, my friends.
>
> I’m hoping that 343i will officially have some sort of response soon enough. Do you people remember when the first snippets of Halo 4 information came out? It was on some magazine I believe. Anyway, 343i really doesn’t seem to mind giving the community a good amount of news… (Compared to Bungie, anyway. They never really gave up much info about upcoming games… including Destiny) they literally just came out and said that Elites will not be playable. They will most likely reveal on whether Elites will be playable or not as soon as they start to give information about Halo 5.
>
> <mark>And with 2014 fast approaching, that will be very soon.</mark>

Indeed, it is!

We will support this thread until we have a response. Rathas, I’ve seen you around the community in clan raids and on Reach in general. You probably don’t remember me, but I know I’ve seen you somewhere. Anyways, what clan are you in? I’m in the Vanguard currently.

7955

Something I realized about newer Sangheili armour permutations were that their eyes are almost always exposed,with the exception of Spec Ops units.We have seen in Halo 3 that a majority of the helmets had lighting aesthetics near the optics of the Sangheili,never exposing the actual eye,excluding the Combat harness.I kinda want more of that.I think that Sangheilis really deserve some luxuries our Spartan allies and enemies have been able to afford:Visor colors.The Sangheili combat harnesses or helmet,the later of which should we be able to choose separate armour pieces from different armour sets that have these glowing optical cover which would be controlled with the visor color option.I’d really love a nice streamlined combat harness like the Commando one from Halo 3.If 343i were to design skins for Sangheili armour permutations it’d be much appreciated.What I would like to see from skins is engravings and embossing done to the armour,rather than painted on patterns.With the amazing graphics the Xbox One delivers,the engraving and embossing would look especially realistic and we’d get a sense of depth that the impressions done to the armour would look like they were deeper compared to untouched surface areas and weren’t as if a smooth surface.Like a laser partially through metal,you’d be able to see the depth to which it’d pierced the metal.

7956

> > > > Guys, can you quite the whole role playing thing you got going on? If your gonna be doing that, do it somewhere else. This is a conversation topic, not some child’s play area.
> > >
> > > 1. they are just joking around, so lighten up. As for a conversation going on their are pretty much none because we’ve discuss the same things over and over again. We also had page long topics we’ve already discussed, so really what can we discuss with out repeating what others have already said. Through these 378+ pages we’ve have filled with our topics on the subject…I mean really what is their to discuss here without going on and on about the same thing.
> >
> > We can discuss the economic struggles of the Sangheili farmers. I don’t think you guys have covered that.
>
>
>
>
> Does not pertain to Sangheili being in matchmaking. Nice try.

> > > > > > Guys, can you quite the whole role playing thing you got going on? If your gonna be doing that, do it somewhere else. This is a conversation topic, not some child’s play area.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. they are just joking around, so lighten up. As for a conversation going on their are pretty much none because we’ve discuss the same things over and over again. We also had page long topics we’ve already discussed, so really what can we discuss with out repeating what others have already said. Through these 378+ pages <mark>we’ve have filled with our topics on the subject</mark>…I mean really what is their to discuss here without going on and on about the same thing.
> > > >
> > > > We can discuss the economic struggles of the Sangheili farmers. I don’t think you guys have covered that.
> > >
> > > I can sume that up in one sentence. They are pretty much screwed.
> > >
> > > All Sangheili are born and raised warriors. Anything besides that is a hobby at much. They will have to cope with the worst part of the life of a human: finding a job.
> >
> > What about the social, political, ethical, and economical ramifications of cheap Grunt labor?
> >
> > If you guys need any more discussion material then I’ll keep it up.
>
>
>
> Does not pertain to Elites being in matchmaking, don’t get me wrong I like having new discussion material, but my post was directed towards having topics based on the subject at hand.

Sangheili farmers may begin trade with Humanity to re-build their economy that has likely suffered from the recent war which Humanity will have suffered from as well. Political trade treaties must be made in order to trade with each other. Consumers might buy with the ethics of Grunt labor in mind affecting where all the money goes. A Human might use grunts harshly out of hate for what they did during the war while a Sangheili might treat them fairly. Both Humans and Sangheili will have greater respect for this Sangheili, and will give Humans a better opinion about Sangheili which will help Sangheili integrate into society more easily. All of this gives in to the social interaction between Sangheili and Human. This interaction would be becoming positive if they were willing to set trade treaties with each other which means that they would likely be more willing to work with each other again during times of war. The amount of trust they will have for each other will either lead to a united and new covenant or two separate armies slowly coming closer together.

7957

> > What about the social, political, ethical, and economical ramifications of cheap Grunt labor?
> >
> > If you guys need any more discussion material then I’ll keep it up.
>
> Another sentence to sum that up: They are screwed too.
>
> Grunts are too scard of Elites (Or anything that can kill them actually), so they will obviously always be boing cheap labor fo eveyone.

They are not necessarily screwed. In amongst the warring Covenant factions, the side that announces equality and fairness for the Grunts on their side, and who give them an equal lifestyle to all other species including paid labour and ownership of luxuries, will quite possibly gain a tremendous advantage in the power struggle. Their Grunts will be happier and harder working, and those of the enemy will look to the increased standing of their brothers in the other faction and wish to defect. It will at the very least make the opponents Grunt workers even more unhappier and possibly decrease their productivity. A clever faction willing to abolish the caste system could bolster their populace and workforce in terms of numbers and productivity whilst destabilizing their opponent’s through fomenting Grunt rebellions.

The other factions could either adapt by also giving their Grunt citizens the same rights, or be torn apart by worker uprisings, turncoats and defectors. We’ve seen that the Grunts were once willing to go against the might of a unified Covenant to gain more rights; their motivation against the substantially weaker faction that they are with would surely give them increased motivation to revolt.

Thel seems most likely to implement this given his progressive attitude, although I wouldn’t put it past Jul either. He’s cunning and willing to to anything to take down Thel, and it would help bolster his faction’s morale whilst weakening that of Thel’s by beating Thel to the punch. I would say that the UNSC could also gain an advantage over the Covenant by whipping out their workforce morale from under their feet, but it would seem that the UNSC aren’t too intelligent, especially when it concerns matters of long term political stability and welfare.

Even if 343i don’t do anything as interesting as this, eventually there will come a point where technology will be vastly superior economically than slave labour anyway.

7958

Hmmm, interesting discussions going on here.

I assume we are all Elite-Fans here. I am curious to see what you guys think of the Sangheili design in Halo 4.

I personally think the Sangheili look awful in Halo 4/Reach (similar designs). They look more like mindless savages, rather then a civilized, intelligent and honorable race. In Halo 4, I cannot picture them otherwise but as beasts.

They have always been represented as this honorable, but very deadly race with cool energy swords. We can see that in Halo: Legends, Halo 2 and Halo 3. (less in Halo CE, because at that time we only knew they were aliens which wanted us dead)

But Bungie wanted to make them look more dangerous in Reach, and it carried on to 343i. It might just be me, but they have overdone it.

Firstly, their armour. It is too bulky and they don’t look as proud to be in it, as they used to. Even the helmets look weird now and too emphasized (if that’s the right word for it)

Secondly, their stance. They seem to always stand with their back lowered down. Now, I do realize this has a lot to do with their anathomy, but there is still a difference between an Elite in Halo 2 and an Elite in Halo 4. And they always bend their legs and stand so low to the point where they look depressed.

I know that the Halo 2 designs had a lot to do with the graphics which we had at that time, but I think Halo 3 had the perfect balance between dangerous-looking, badass, honorable and intelligent.

For comparison:
Halo CE-Reach
Halo 4

So, what is your opinion on this? :slight_smile:

7959

> Hmmm, interesting discussions going on here.
>
> I assume we are all Elite-Fans here. I am curious to see what you guys think of the Sangheili design in Halo 4.
>
> I personally think the Sangheili look awful in Halo 4/Reach (similar designs). They look more like mindless savages, rather then a civilized, intelligent and honorable race. In Halo 4, I cannot picture them otherwise but as beasts.
>
> They have always been represented as this honorable, but very deadly race with cool energy swords. We can see that in Halo: Legends, Halo 2 and Halo 3. (less in Halo CE, because at that time we only knew they were aliens which wanted us dead)
>
> But Bungie wanted to make them look more dangerous in Reach, and it carried on to 343i. It might just be me, but they have overdone it.
>
> Firstly, their armour. It is too bulky and they don’t look as proud to be in it, as they used to. Even the helmets look weird now and too emphasized (if that’s the right word for it)
>
> Secondly, their stance. They seem to always stand with their back lowered down. Now, I do realize this has a lot to do with their anathomy, but there is still a difference between an Elite in Halo 2 and an Elite in Halo 4. And they always bend their legs and stand so low to the point where they look depressed.
>
> I know that the Halo 2 designs had a lot to do with the graphics which we had at that time, but I think Halo 3 had the perfect balance between dangerous-looking, badass, honorable and intelligent.
>
> For comparison:
> Halo CE-Reach
> Halo 4
>
> So, what is your opinion on this? :slight_smile:

I liked most of Reach’s armor my least favorite being the General armor mainly because I like the armor but not the helmet (I call it the D####head helmet) and it reminds me how there is no customization. Overall I liked Reach’s designs and I think the best way go would be a mix between Reach and 3. The best design of 4 in my opinion is ranger but even that is not as good as some of the worst designs of other games.

7960

> > > > > Guys, can you quite the whole role playing thing you got going on? If your gonna be doing that, do it somewhere else. This is a conversation topic, not some child’s play area.
> > > >
> > > > 1. they are just joking around, so lighten up. As for a conversation going on their are pretty much none because we’ve discuss the same things over and over again. We also had page long topics we’ve already discussed, so really what can we discuss with out repeating what others have already said. Through these 378+ pages we’ve have filled with our topics on the subject…I mean really what is their to discuss here without going on and on about the same thing.
> > >
> > > We can discuss the economic struggles of the Sangheili farmers. I don’t think you guys have covered that.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Does not pertain to Sangheili being in matchmaking. Nice try.
>
>
>
> > > > > > > Guys, can you quite the whole role playing thing you got going on? If your gonna be doing that, do it somewhere else. This is a conversation topic, not some child’s play area.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. they are just joking around, so lighten up. As for a conversation going on their are pretty much none because we’ve discuss the same things over and over again. We also had page long topics we’ve already discussed, so really what can we discuss with out repeating what others have already said. Through these 378+ pages <mark>we’ve have filled with our topics on the subject</mark>…I mean really what is their to discuss here without going on and on about the same thing.
> > > > >
> > > > > We can discuss the economic struggles of the Sangheili farmers. I don’t think you guys have covered that.
> > > >
> > > > I can sume that up in one sentence. They are pretty much screwed.
> > > >
> > > > All Sangheili are born and raised warriors. Anything besides that is a hobby at much. They will have to cope with the worst part of the life of a human: finding a job.
> > >
> > > What about the social, political, ethical, and economical ramifications of cheap Grunt labor?
> > >
> > > If you guys need any more discussion material then I’ll keep it up.
> >
> >
> >
> > Does not pertain to Elites being in matchmaking, don’t get me wrong I like having new discussion material, but my post was directed towards having topics based on the subject at hand.
>
> Sangheili farmers may begin trade with Humanity to re-build their economy that has likely suffered from the recent war which Humanity will have suffered from as well. Political trade treaties must be made in order to trade with each other. Consumers might buy with the ethics of Grunt labor in mind affecting where all the money goes. A Human might use grunts harshly out of hate for what they did during the war while a Sangheili might treat them fairly. Both Humans and Sangheili will have greater respect for this Sangheili, and will give Humans a better opinion about Sangheili which will help Sangheili integrate into society more easily. All of this gives in to the social interaction between Sangheili and Human. This interaction would be becoming positive if they were willing to set trade treaties with each other which means that they would likely be more willing to work with each other again during times of war. The amount of trust they will have for each other will either lead to a united and new covenant or two separate armies slowly coming closer together.

While we are ignoring Grunt Devil do you guys think Sangheili have toe nails=)

7961

> > > > > > Guys, can you quite the whole role playing thing you got going on? If your gonna be doing that, do it somewhere else. This is a conversation topic, not some child’s play area.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. they are just joking around, so lighten up. As for a conversation going on their are pretty much none because we’ve discuss the same things over and over again. We also had page long topics we’ve already discussed, so really what can we discuss with out repeating what others have already said. Through these 378+ pages we’ve have filled with our topics on the subject…I mean really what is their to discuss here without going on and on about the same thing.
> > > >
> > > > We can discuss the economic struggles of the Sangheili farmers. I don’t think you guys have covered that.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Does not pertain to Sangheili being in matchmaking. Nice try.
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > Guys, can you quite the whole role playing thing you got going on? If your gonna be doing that, do it somewhere else. This is a conversation topic, not some child’s play area.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. they are just joking around, so lighten up. As for a conversation going on their are pretty much none because we’ve discuss the same things over and over again. We also had page long topics we’ve already discussed, so really what can we discuss with out repeating what others have already said. Through these 378+ pages <mark>we’ve have filled with our topics on the subject</mark>…I mean really what is their to discuss here without going on and on about the same thing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We can discuss the economic struggles of the Sangheili farmers. I don’t think you guys have covered that.
> > > > >
> > > > > I can sume that up in one sentence. They are pretty much screwed.
> > > > >
> > > > > All Sangheili are born and raised warriors. Anything besides that is a hobby at much. They will have to cope with the worst part of the life of a human: finding a job.
> > > >
> > > > What about the social, political, ethical, and economical ramifications of cheap Grunt labor?
> > > >
> > > > If you guys need any more discussion material then I’ll keep it up.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Does not pertain to Elites being in matchmaking, don’t get me wrong I like having new discussion material, but my post was directed towards having topics based on the subject at hand.
> >
> > Sangheili farmers may begin trade with Humanity to re-build their economy that has likely suffered from the recent war which Humanity will have suffered from as well. Political trade treaties must be made in order to trade with each other. Consumers might buy with the ethics of Grunt labor in mind affecting where all the money goes. A Human might use grunts harshly out of hate for what they did during the war while a Sangheili might treat them fairly. Both Humans and Sangheili will have greater respect for this Sangheili, and will give Humans a better opinion about Sangheili which will help Sangheili integrate into society more easily. All of this gives in to the social interaction between Sangheili and Human. This interaction would be becoming positive if they were willing to set trade treaties with each other which means that they would likely be more willing to work with each other again during times of war. The amount of trust they will have for each other will either lead to a united and new covenant or two separate armies slowly coming closer together.
>
> While we are ignoring Grunt Devil <mark>do you guys think Sangheili have toe nails=)</mark>

Nice job, really really really deep in the idea making aren’t you.