Sangheili (Elites) In New Trilogy Matchmaking (Part 1)

Games Halo 5: Guardians
7482

> Halo 4 introduced a canon to multiplayer,and I don’t think thats gonna stop.I’d like to keep Sangheili the way they were in Reach,I mean in the later Halo games which are strictly 4 & Reach,they were taller,moved slightly faster,and regenerated health naturally with slightly larger kill boxes.I’m no fan of canon,but Sangheili should have canonically coherent size,not doing so deviates from what the later Halo games have brought us.Their larger size is an improvement canonically and we should see them as such.Its also more machinima friendly as machinima is story line based.Imagine how awkward it’d be for the most distinguished people in the Halo community,e.g Arbiter 617 whom make quality machinima to have unrealistic height for Sangheili.Halo 4 has already made machinima difficult with that rubbish thing 343i calls alert carry.
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> A proposed solution is that we have Sangheili kill boxes kept the same as as Spartans,almost,but just have larger armour.So since the shields encompass the entire armour,shooting for example the tip of a long helmet like an Ultra’s will damage the shields only and not the health of the player since it does not protect any flesh areas around the body.You’ll be noticed,but not killed.

If you’re arguing all for the “coherency” of the size of the Elites, please keep in mind that the Elites were “big and dorky looking” in Halo Reach, where the events took place before Halo CE. In Halo CE through to Halo 3, Elites were more “Spartan sized”. They literally shrunk directly after invading Reach (if you’re going by your “it’s canon!” speech there) and when the Pillar of Autumn was chased to Installation 04.

There is literally no “canon” to the looks of the Elites and everything else in Halo 4 and Halo Reach. The developers literally said that they were going for a new and “darker”/“grittier” style. They wanted the Elites to be “darker” and “scarier” and all they ended up doing was making them look loud, clumsy and dumb.

Halo 1/CE (however you call it) and 2 had the scariest Elites because I KNEW they held a threat. They used brilliant tactics. They weren’t just big dumb slow moving targets. They lithely danced around the battlefield, melting my shields on Legendary.

It wasn’t their size or even their looks that made me piss myself in fear when I first met them. It was how they felt like real, living warriors. They could sniff me out and hunt me down. They may have been the same size as me, but I was an army of one. They came in highly intelligent packs of many.

This is what I - and I do believe many others - miss the most.

7483

> > Halo 4 introduced a canon to multiplayer,and I don’t think thats gonna stop.I’d like to keep Sangheili the way they were in Reach,I mean in the later Halo games which are strictly 4 & Reach,they were taller,moved slightly faster,and regenerated health naturally with slightly larger kill boxes.I’m no fan of canon,but Sangheili should have canonically coherent size,not doing so deviates from what the later Halo games have brought us.Their larger size is an improvement canonically and we should see them as such.Its also more machinima friendly as machinima is story line based.Imagine how awkward it’d be for the most distinguished people in the Halo community,e.g Arbiter 617 whom make quality machinima to have unrealistic height for Sangheili.Halo 4 has already made machinima difficult with that rubbish thing 343i calls alert carry.
> >
> > A proposed solution is that we have Sangheili kill boxes kept the same as as Spartans,almost,but just have larger armour.So since the shields encompass the entire armour,shooting for example the tip of a long helmet like an Ultra’s will damage the shields only and not the health of the player since it does not protect any flesh areas around the body.You’ll be noticed,but not killed.
>
> If you’re arguing all for the “coherency” of the size of the Elites, <mark>please keep in mind that the Elites were “big and dorky looking” in Halo Reach</mark>, where the events took place before Halo CE. In Halo CE through to Halo 3, Elites were more “Spartan sized”. They literally shrunk directly after invading Reach (if you’re going by your “it’s canon!” speech there) and when the Pillar of Autumn was chased to Installation 04.
>
> There is literally no “canon” to the looks of the Elites and everything else in Halo 4 and Halo Reach. The developers literally said that they were going for a new and “darker”/“grittier” style. They wanted the Elites to be “darker” and “scarier” and all they ended up doing was making them look loud, clumsy and dumb.
>
> <mark>Halo 1/CE (however you call it) and 2 had the scariest Elites because I KNEW they held a threat. They used brilliant tactics. They weren’t just big dumb slow moving targets. They lithely danced around the battlefield, melting my shields on Legendary.</mark>
> <mark>It wasn’t their size or even their looks that made me piss myself in fear when I first met them. It was how they felt like real, living warriors. They could sniff me out and hunt me down. They may have been the same size as me, but I was an army of one. They came in highly intelligent packs of many.</mark>
> <mark>This is what I - and I do believe many others - miss the most.</mark>

1.) Complete opinion.

2.) We’re talking about elites in multiplayer… I don’t see the relevancy of your last few paragraphs unless you’re saying you want elites to look like CE/Halo 2 elites.

7484

  1. Wrong. It was a half opinion. It is true that they were big in comparison to Halo 1/2 Elites.

  2. That was also part of the magic, both campaign and multiplayer. They posed threats not just because they were hulking big targets.

7485

> First, It think we all should just form a monster of a Sangheili Clan.
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> Second, 343i will see us die and ignore many things before that should have elites in MP. MP being canon isn’t a reason as to why Elites shouldn’t be featured it should be the reason why elites should be in MP. Simulations or not. 343i has made it seem like we humans are the super power in the galaxy but we aren’t last time I checked on Halo Waypoint on my XB360 there were only 200 million humans. On a galactic level that is extinct. There were 8 billion Sangheili and 12 Billion brutes. Not to mention unknown numbers of Kig-yar pirates are roaming around so Halo 5 should have not excuss on the lack of alien factions going around.
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> Third,Not having elites in Halo MP is like taking the Jelly from the Peanut butter. Eating just peanut Butter is good but it is chunky and hard to get down. Its great but it just can’t be done easily.
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>
> So 343i why, have you taken the Jelly from our peanut butter. Who the hell would ever ruin that combo.
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> another try…
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> Its like taking the chocolate from recess peanut butter cups. Why on Earth would someone just buy small portions of peanut butter. It would b e deemed insulting in order to do so.
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> But really if the next Halo doesn’t have elites i might not even buy it. This whole thing with no elites has been crazy. ODST had not elites because that would be stupid to compare the two. Reach tired to have them in without angering too many of the haters from Halo 3. I maybe might get it for story but I’m sure it wil lack in that with the way Halo seems to be going.

People keep talking about making a clan from this thread but no one takes the initiative to start one. I cannot lead a clan because I like to play alone and not bother with talking to people or anything like that so I would make a poor clan member let alone a clan leader. That being said if someone actually starts a clan from this thread than I would consider joining.

7486

For love of (insert deity) people enough about height!

7487

> For love of (insert deity) people enough about height!

Deity is an … uncomfortable subject in this Age, brother. Agreed, however.

7488

@Majatek:
What I meant was from a perspective of the newer Halo games,not concerning the timeline of which Reach took place,of which I know was before Halo CE.

7489

So did you just completely ignored everything else that Maj just wrote up or what? Hell, why are we still arguing about this whole height issue if it pretty much is not going anywhere at the time being? :confused:

7490

> There is literally no “canon” to the looks of the Elites and everything else in Halo 4 and Halo Reach. The developers literally said that they were going for a new and “darker”/“grittier” style. They wanted the Elites to be “darker” and “scarier” and all they ended up doing was <mark>making them look loud, clumsy and dumb.</mark>

The amount of times Spec Ops Elites snuck up around me while others suppressed my position and that Elites round-house kicked me make that hard to believe.

7491

> > > > * Remove “canon” from multiplayer, honestly it just complicates everything I just want to have fun
> > > > * Return the spartan II models for multiplayer instead of the IV’s
> > > > * Spartan II’s were almost equal height with the elites in CE, return elites to their CE models, they weren’t as hunched over as the other games so the hit boxes can be adjusted easier to make them equal.
> > > >
> > > > Problem solved.
> > >
> > > Incorrect actually. You do realize that with these terms you kick everyone who like multiplayer being involved with canon and like a difference between spartan and elite in the face, right?
> > >
> > > The only thing we can really do is just hope elites return to multiplayer. Details are really out of our control from there for the most part.
> >
> > I would like a canon explanation for Killballs, giant dice, giant soccer balls, and the 7-Wood. Oh right, that can’t be done.
> >
> > The only differences there used to be with Spartans and Elites before were a small difference in height(not noticeable because Elites never stood straight up when you were fighting them) and that the Elites are well, aliens that look different. Same strength, speed, jump height, health, etc.
>
> Those objects you mentioned, are all in customs. We don’t know if customs are canon and even then, I think some objects are there for practical/creative/humorous use.
>
> I don’t see the relevancy of your point explaining Halo 2-3 elites to quoting my above post. In case you missed Reach, there was a difference between spartan and elite.

It’s a simple cold truth:

If Elites are DIFFERENT from Spartans, they will never be available in Matchmaking.

The only way to make it so that we can choose to be an Elite at will, is to have them with the same size and traits as Spartans.

Suck it up everyone who wants them different because unfortunately, if you get your way, we will NEVER have Elites in BTB again.

7492

> > > > > * Remove “canon” from multiplayer, honestly it just complicates everything I just want to have fun
> > > > > * Return the spartan II models for multiplayer instead of the IV’s
> > > > > * Spartan II’s were almost equal height with the elites in CE, return elites to their CE models, they weren’t as hunched over as the other games so the hit boxes can be adjusted easier to make them equal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Problem solved.
> > > >
> > > > Incorrect actually. You do realize that with these terms you kick everyone who like multiplayer being involved with canon and like a difference between spartan and elite in the face, right?
> > > >
> > > > The only thing we can really do is just hope elites return to multiplayer. Details are really out of our control from there for the most part.
> > >
> > > I would like a canon explanation for Killballs, giant dice, giant soccer balls, and the 7-Wood. Oh right, that can’t be done.
> > >
> > > The only differences there used to be with Spartans and Elites before were a small difference in height(not noticeable because Elites never stood straight up when you were fighting them) and that the Elites are well, aliens that look different. Same strength, speed, jump height, health, etc.
> >
> > Those objects you mentioned, are all in customs. We don’t know if customs are canon and even then, I think some objects are there for practical/creative/humorous use.
> >
> > I don’t see the relevancy of your point explaining Halo 2-3 elites to quoting my above post. In case you missed Reach, there was a difference between spartan and elite.
>
> It’s a simple cold truth:
>
> If Elites are DIFFERENT from Spartans, they will never be available in Matchmaking.
>
>
> The only way to make it so that we can choose to be an Elite at will, is to have them with the same size and traits as Spartans.
>
> Suck it up everyone who wants them different because unfortunately, if you get your way, we will NEVER have Elites in BTB again.

I’m confused by this reasoning. You say elites will never be in matchmaking if they’re different, yet they are included, but limited, in Reach. What is your proof that your reasoning is fact? Unless you happen to be part of 343i (which I doubt) then that is just your assumption and opinion.

Don’t tell people to “suck it up”. Be a reasonable man and respect people for their beliefs and preferences.

7493

> We need the Arbiter baaaad

We’ll probably get him.

After all, it’s confirmed that he’s alive after Halo 4.

http://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/1442/dark-horse-announces-all-new-halo-ongoing-series-e

7494

> > > > > > * Remove “canon” from multiplayer, honestly it just complicates everything I just want to have fun
> > > > > > * Return the spartan II models for multiplayer instead of the IV’s
> > > > > > * Spartan II’s were almost equal height with the elites in CE, return elites to their CE models, they weren’t as hunched over as the other games so the hit boxes can be adjusted easier to make them equal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Problem solved.
> > > > >
> > > > > Incorrect actually. You do realize that with these terms you kick everyone who like multiplayer being involved with canon and like a difference between spartan and elite in the face, right?
> > > > >
> > > > > The only thing we can really do is just hope elites return to multiplayer. Details are really out of our control from there for the most part.
> > > >
> > > > I would like a canon explanation for Killballs, giant dice, giant soccer balls, and the 7-Wood. Oh right, that can’t be done.
> > > >
> > > > The only differences there used to be with Spartans and Elites before were a small difference in height(not noticeable because Elites never stood straight up when you were fighting them) and that the Elites are well, aliens that look different. Same strength, speed, jump height, health, etc.
> > >
> > > Those objects you mentioned, are all in customs. We don’t know if customs are canon and even then, I think some objects are there for practical/creative/humorous use.
> > >
> > > I don’t see the relevancy of your point explaining Halo 2-3 elites to quoting my above post. In case you missed Reach, there was a difference between spartan and elite.
> >
> > It’s a simple cold truth:
> >
> > If Elites are DIFFERENT from Spartans, they will never be available in Matchmaking.
> >
> >
> > The only way to make it so that we can choose to be an Elite at will, is to have them with the same size and traits as Spartans.
> >
> > Suck it up everyone who wants them different because unfortunately, if you get your way, we will NEVER have Elites in BTB again.
>
> I’m confused by this reasoning. You say elites will never be in matchmaking if they’re different, yet they are included, but limited, in Reach. What is your proof that your reasoning is fact? Unless you happen to be part of 343i (which I doubt) then that is just your assumption and opinion.
>
> Don’t tell people to “suck it up”. Be a reasonable man and respect people for their beliefs and preferences.

Here here! I prefer Sangheili at their natural height and don’t want to have fought so hard for the return of elites only to settle for short that are actually spartans and no I don’t appreciate being told to “suck it up”. Please talk about something else before this degenerates even further!

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How were Elites different to Spartans in Halo 2 and 3 anyway? I know about the head glitch in Halo 3, where you couldn’t get a headsgot from behind, or something like that. But apart from that, was there any difference?

7496

> How were Elites different to Spartans in Halo 2 and 3 anyway? I know about the head glitch in Halo 3, where you couldn’t get a headsgot from behind, or something like that. But apart from that, was there any difference?

Halo 3 elites were hunched but besides that not much at least not like Reach where you could regenerate health or anything like that and no I don’t think height is an issue so please don’t feed that particular fire.

7497

> > > > > > * Remove “canon” from multiplayer, honestly it just complicates everything I just want to have fun
> > > > > > * Return the spartan II models for multiplayer instead of the IV’s
> > > > > > * Spartan II’s were almost equal height with the elites in CE, return elites to their CE models, they weren’t as hunched over as the other games so the hit boxes can be adjusted easier to make them equal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Problem solved.
> > > > >
> > > > > Incorrect actually. You do realize that with these terms you kick everyone who like multiplayer being involved with canon and like a difference between spartan and elite in the face, right?
> > > > >
> > > > > The only thing we can really do is just hope elites return to multiplayer. Details are really out of our control from there for the most part.
> > > >
> > > > I would like a canon explanation for Killballs, giant dice, giant soccer balls, and the 7-Wood. Oh right, that can’t be done.
> > > >
> > > > The only differences there used to be with Spartans and Elites before were a small difference in height(not noticeable because Elites never stood straight up when you were fighting them) and that the Elites are well, aliens that look different. Same strength, speed, jump height, health, etc.
> > >
> > > Those objects you mentioned, are all in customs. We don’t know if customs are canon and even then, I think some objects are there for practical/creative/humorous use.
> > >
> > > I don’t see the relevancy of your point explaining Halo 2-3 elites to quoting my above post. In case you missed Reach, there was a difference between spartan and elite.
> >
> > It’s a simple cold truth:
> >
> > If Elites are DIFFERENT from Spartans, they will never be available in Matchmaking.
> >
> >
> > The only way to make it so that we can choose to be an Elite at will, is to have them with the same size and traits as Spartans.
> >
> > Suck it up everyone who wants them different because unfortunately, if you get your way, we will NEVER have Elites in BTB again.
>
> I’m confused by this reasoning. You say elites will never be in matchmaking if they’re different, yet they are included, but limited, in Reach. What is your proof that your reasoning is fact? Unless you happen to be part of 343i (which I doubt) then that is just your assumption and opinion.
>
> Don’t tell people to “suck it up”. Be a reasonable man and respect people for their beliefs and preferences.

It’s not an opinion or an assumption. The reason we had no choice of player model in Halo Reach Matchmaking was because they made Elites different from Spartans in what is supposed to be an Arena game.

And unless Elites and Spartans play exactly the same, we won’t have that freedom of choice from Halo 2 and 3 ever again.

If you would rather be tied down to Custom Games, fine. But I’m going for gold. I want to be able to play as an Elite AT ALL TIMES. Not just in Custom Games or whenever a gametype HAPPENS to come up where I can be one so long as everyone actually votes for it. (which basically never happened)

Accepting gametype limitations IS settling. In fact, you’re settling much worse than accepting that you’ll be a little bit shorter than you were in Reach (The first of ONLY TWO GAMES in the ENTIRE FRANCHISE where Elites were actually huge.)

7498

Finally someone else here who also has common sense in this whole situation! Hell, I don’t understand what the hell is the point of making Elite’s tall to begin with when it is simply going to restrict where you are allowed to play and such. I want to play with Spartans that are in games like Slayer, Oddball, Griffball, Big team battles…hell, I want them in all gametypes with Spartans! There is no reason to be settled in just 1 type of playlist for just elites, it sounds so freaken stupid!

Here’s for both Spartan and Sangheili equality to return to it’s glory like in the Halo 2 and 3 days. Why? Because screw limitations and being un able to enjoy the Spartans only custom maps that fit their size.

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> > > > > > > * Remove “canon” from multiplayer, honestly it just complicates everything I just want to have fun
> > > > > > > * Return the spartan II models for multiplayer instead of the IV’s
> > > > > > > * Spartan II’s were almost equal height with the elites in CE, return elites to their CE models, they weren’t as hunched over as the other games so the hit boxes can be adjusted easier to make them equal.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Problem solved.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Incorrect actually. You do realize that with these terms you kick everyone who like multiplayer being involved with canon and like a difference between spartan and elite in the face, right?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The only thing we can really do is just hope elites return to multiplayer. Details are really out of our control from there for the most part.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like a canon explanation for Killballs, giant dice, giant soccer balls, and the 7-Wood. Oh right, that can’t be done.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only differences there used to be with Spartans and Elites before were a small difference in height(not noticeable because Elites never stood straight up when you were fighting them) and that the Elites are well, aliens that look different. Same strength, speed, jump height, health, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Those objects you mentioned, are all in customs. We don’t know if customs are canon and even then, I think some objects are there for practical/creative/humorous use.
> > > >
> > > > I don’t see the relevancy of your point explaining Halo 2-3 elites to quoting my above post. In case you missed Reach, there was a difference between spartan and elite.
> > >
> > > It’s a simple cold truth:
> > >
> > > If Elites are DIFFERENT from Spartans, they will never be available in Matchmaking.
> > >
> > >
> > > The only way to make it so that we can choose to be an Elite at will, is to have them with the same size and traits as Spartans.
> > >
> > > Suck it up everyone who wants them different because unfortunately, if you get your way, we will NEVER have Elites in BTB again.
> >
> > I’m confused by this reasoning. You say elites will never be in matchmaking if they’re different, yet they are included, but limited, in Reach. What is your proof that your reasoning is fact? Unless you happen to be part of 343i (which I doubt) then that is just your assumption and opinion.
> >
> > Don’t tell people to “suck it up”. Be a reasonable man and respect people for their beliefs and preferences.
>
> It’s not an opinion or an assumption. The reason we had no choice of player model in Halo Reach Matchmaking was because they made Elites different from Spartans in what is supposed to be an Arena game.
>
> And unless Elites and Spartans play exactly the same, we won’t have that freedom of choice from Halo 2 and 3 ever again.
>
> If you would rather be tied down to Custom Games, fine. But I’m going for gold. I want to be able to play as an Elite AT ALL TIMES. Not just in Custom Games or whenever a gametype HAPPENS to come up where I can be one so long as everyone actually votes for it. (which basically never happened)
>
>
> Accepting gametype limitations IS settling. In fact, you’re settling much worse than accepting that you’ll be a little bit shorter than you were in Reach (The first of ONLY TWO GAMES in the ENTIRE FRANCHISE where Elites were actually huge.)

And the proof that keeping the arena feel is the reason? I’m not saying your wrong, I’d just like proof as it seems like your assuming that is the reason.

What do you mean freedom of choice? You mean where it comes down to the player choosing spartan or elite based on looks?

I really hate it how you continue to assume. I want elites fully included as well, but giving them canon traits really isn’t going to kill anyone. As you can see, 343i isn’t exactly going for the arena feel anymore by including personal loadouts (contradiction to the term “arena game”, the Romans and many other civilizations that had arena fights had selectable “loadouts” for their fighters).

What do you mean I’m “settling much worse”? Having to deal with elites that have a few different traits than spartans? Big deal, I can live with that.

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> Finally someone else here who also has common sense in this whole situation! Hell, I don’t understand what the hell is the point of making Elite’s tall to begin with when it is simply going to restrict where you are allowed to play and such. I want to play with Spartans that are in games like Slayer, Oddball, Griffball, Big team battles…hell, I want them in all gametypes with Spartans! There is no reason to be settled in just 1 type of playlist for just elites, it sounds so freaken stupid!
>
> Here’s for both Spartan and Sangheili equality to return to it’s glory like in the Halo 2 and 3 days. Why? Because screw limitations and being un able to enjoy the Spartans only custom maps that fit their size.

What definite source do you have that says 343i is going to limit them (if they bring them back) whether or not they are equal in traits to spartans?

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Whose side are you on about all of this then? Those who want the equality of being able to play with every spartans, or those who want to be the Sangheili’s “glory height” they want to be? Because your not helping the situation.