> Easy, make the elites stand upright, make sure they can be shot behind the head and cover up any kind of spots on their bodies to make sure it registers as being shot. We don’t need to repeat the same halo 3 mistake with that weird neck spot thing.
I agree. I never understood why the Elites seemed to be crouching in this game, while in Halo 2 they were standing up straight.
> > Making Sangheili larger targets have apparently made some people unhappy.No offence to them,but i do like that trait.Its realistic and is usually not a big issue unless you had limited cover.Just find lager objects to hide behind or use Active camouflage like me.Its jut fun for me to look down,literally on Spartans.If Sangheili player models will not debut for their reappearance,343i needs to give us a formal notification instead of brushing us aside leaving 3rd parties to have to tell us.Its unacceptable and frankly unprofessional.
> >
> > On a brighter side,here’s to 1000 favourites.Cheers.
>
> It may be fun for you, but others like it if they could play against Spartans as Elites in a balanced and competitive environment, ala Halo 3.
>
> This is what this thread is about. Not making the Elites “better” than Spartans (taller, or whatever), but rather to have them back in multiplayer the way it was in Halo 2 and 3. Not how it was done in Halo Reach. Please understand that this is what all those thanks are for. There are 800+ gamers who would like to either play as Elites, play alongside Elites, or even shoot Elites that are on the other team.
Taller is not being “better” than Spartans. Extra speed and jump ability, yea that is. Consider how much more easily a Sangheili target is going to die with an assault rifle, or how shots from any gun will have a higher chance of hitting their target. Height has some advantages too, like immediately turning the corner to find an Elite, or head-glitching. Head glitching could easily be fixed by making the Sangheili model crouch down to the exact height of a Spartan crouch, and being head height with each other. If the Elite stands up behind cover then they will be exposing themselves, this would give a Spartan another advantage over Elites.
The thing is if we want Elites back we have to operate on 343’s terms. Those terms include canon and no OP. Canon means that Elites in campaign need to match those to be put in multiplayer. That’s a problem seeing how fast they are and stuff. So then we need to find another way to include Elites in a balanced setting while having canon reinforcing their addition.
Weighing in on the height debate. I think Elites need to be taller because what would be the point of elites returning if they are just really odd looking spartans. Height is one of the things that makes playing as an elite a unique experience and I am willing to deal with the whole cover issue because it has never been a problem for me because I either find suitable cover or dodge. Another thing to point is that if a spartan has cover and you do not if he is taking cover he is not shooting at you so you can just keep him supressed until your shields recharge. If you two are after you cover won’t help for long because one or both will just flank you and this goes for spartans and elites. So in conclusion I am more than willing to have my full Sangheili height and feel like an elite and in exchange deal with a slight disadvantage.
> > > Making Sangheili larger targets have apparently made some people unhappy.No offence to them,but i do like that trait.Its realistic and is usually not a big issue unless you had limited cover.Just find lager objects to hide behind or use Active camouflage like me.Its jut fun for me to look down,literally on Spartans.If Sangheili player models will not debut for their reappearance,343i needs to give us a formal notification instead of brushing us aside leaving 3rd parties to have to tell us.Its unacceptable and frankly unprofessional.
> > >
> > > On a brighter side,here’s to 1000 favourites.Cheers.
> >
> > It may be fun for you, but others like it if they could play against Spartans as Elites in a balanced and competitive environment, ala Halo 3.
> >
> > This is what this thread is about. Not making the Elites “better” than Spartans (taller, or whatever), but rather to have them back in multiplayer the way it was in Halo 2 and 3. Not how it was done in Halo Reach. Please understand that this is what all those thanks are for. There are 800+ gamers who would like to either play as Elites, play alongside Elites, or even shoot Elites that are on the other team.
>
> Taller is not being “better” than Spartans. Extra speed and jump ability, yea that is. Consider how much more easily a Sangheili target is going to die with an assault rifle, or how shots from any gun will have a higher chance of hitting their target. Height has some advantages too, like immediately turning the corner to find an Elite, or head-glitching. Head glitching could easily be fixed by making the Sangheili model crouch down to the exact height of a Spartan crouch, and being head height with each other. If the Elite stands up behind cover then they will be exposing themselves, this would give a Spartan another advantage over Elites.
>
> The thing is if we want Elites back we have to operate on 343’s terms. Those terms include canon and no OP. Canon means that Elites in campaign need to match those to be put in multiplayer. That’s a problem seeing how fast they are and stuff. So then we need to find another way to include Elites in a balanced setting while having canon reinforcing their addition.
I think if 343 wants us back they have to operate on our terms. We should not fight so hard to get our elites back only to settle in the end.
But that same exact height issue about elites being taller and the stupid bs cannon nonsense is the same exact reason why elites were hardly playable in Halo Reach and kicked off big time in halo 4? Doesn’t anyone see where I am coming from here? Cannon and advantages are something we don’t need at all.
> But that same exact height issue about elites being taller and the stupid bs cannon nonsense is the same exact reason why elites were hardly playable in Halo Reach and kicked off big time in halo 4? Doesn’t anyone see where I am coming from here? Cannon and advantages are something we don’t need at all.
Agreed. I don’t see why there should be a problem at all. I mean, didn’t Elites pretty much play the same as the Spartans in Halo 2?
(Please forgive me if I’m wrong, as I weren’t around in the Halo 2 online days. I’m only saying what I’ve heard.)
Imo, the only reason elites weren’t playable in Halo 4 was just because 343i had an idea for canon and multiplayer and just went where they saw fit. After playing Halo 4’s campaign and reading The Thursday War, I am 90% sure 343i will bring them back into multiplayer for canon reasons.
> > But that same exact height issue about elites being taller and the stupid bs cannon nonsense is the same exact reason why elites were hardly playable in Halo Reach and kicked off big time in halo 4? Doesn’t anyone see where I am coming from here? Cannon and advantages are something we don’t need at all.
>
> Agreed. I don’t see why there should be a problem at all. I mean, didn’t Elites pretty much play the same as the Spartans in Halo 2?
>
> (Please forgive me if I’m wrong, as I weren’t around in the Halo 2 online days. I’m only saying what I’ve heard.)
Pretty much.
I think, as people have said countless time before, that the Sangheili should return as they were in Halo 3, without all the crappy glitches that plagued them,I.E the horrid neck thing. maybe even add a locust in as a Covie Mantis?
> > > Making Sangheili larger targets have apparently made some people unhappy.No offence to them,but i do like that trait.Its realistic and is usually not a big issue unless you had limited cover.Just find lager objects to hide behind or use Active camouflage like me.Its jut fun for me to look down,literally on Spartans.If Sangheili player models will not debut for their reappearance,343i needs to give us a formal notification instead of brushing us aside leaving 3rd parties to have to tell us.Its unacceptable and frankly unprofessional.
> > >
> > > On a brighter side,here’s to 1000 favourites.Cheers.
> >
> > It may be fun for you, but others like it if they could play against Spartans as Elites in a balanced and competitive environment, ala Halo 3.
> >
> > This is what this thread is about. Not making the Elites “better” than Spartans (taller, or whatever), but rather to have them back in multiplayer the way it was in Halo 2 and 3. Not how it was done in Halo Reach. Please understand that this is what all those thanks are for. There are 800+ gamers who would like to either play as Elites, play alongside Elites, or even shoot Elites that are on the other team.
>
> Taller is not being “better” than Spartans. Extra speed and jump ability, yea that is. Consider how much more easily a Sangheili target is going to die with an assault rifle, or how shots from any gun will have a higher chance of hitting their target. Height has some advantages too, like immediately turning the corner to find an Elite, or head-glitching. Head glitching could easily be fixed by making the Sangheili model crouch down to the exact height of a Spartan crouch, and being head height with each other. If the Elite stands up behind cover then they will be exposing themselves, this would give a Spartan another advantage over Elites.
>
> The thing is if we want Elites back we have to operate on 343’s terms. Those terms include canon and no OP. Canon means that Elites in campaign need to match those to be put in multiplayer. That’s a problem seeing how fast they are and stuff. So then we need to find another way to include Elites in a balanced setting while having canon reinforcing their addition.
Whoah you sure debunked my post 100%.
Note that I used sarcastic quotation marks around the word “better” to emphasize the fact that I was making fun of how some people think that being taller is better.
Now that the Sangheili have acquired Catherine Halsey and part of the Janus Key, I would expect to see some upgrades from their somewhat primitive looking technology in Halo 4. Credit of course to Levi Hoffmeier, the writer of the famous fan-comic ‘A Sangheili’s War Is Never Over’, I was inspired by these designs. Have a look:
> Imo, the only reason elites weren’t playable in Halo 4 was just because 343i had an idea for canon and multiplayer and just went where they saw fit. After playing Halo 4’s campaign and reading The Thursday War, I am 90% sure 343i will bring them back into multiplayer for canon reasons.
The only thing I see out of the Multiplayer being canon is an excuse to not have Elites in Multiplayer…
I mean, they can apparently simulate the Flood, but they can’t simulate Elites.
Hopefully Halo 5 has Elites in the Multiplayer…
As I pick up the pieces of my router and plan to burn it for heresy of unspeakable nature. I suppose I best make my peace now before it decides to delete another hundred characters I made for this.
-sigh- hate my router so much
Before the unfortunate purging of hapless members of the UNSC I will state this.
Its not about balance and gameplay at this point in time. By now you would suspect that the industry naming itself after the killer of SGT. Johnson would probably take a hint at this point and would say something!
Their silence is very uncomfortable, in fact them not saying a word is what drives us all nuts.
The segregation is one thing, yes that can be handled LATER.
The core of the thread was for one thing and one thing alone. Bring the Sangheili back.
WE DO NOT WORK FOR 343 Industries, our ideas can be scrapped at their whim.
The thing of them not commenting or even saying a thing about this forum despite how divinely long it is, is somewhat of a slap in the face to us. For last I checked this company solely existed to keep the Halo Franchise alive, thus we would normally be glad to spend money on it and continue to keep it going.
However while I would normally bring up some sort of statistic, I do not know where to look thus I can be disregarded and hung by my entrails if you disagree.
But the last I checked 343i should be listening to us the customer, and so far they have been somewhat disappointing. You would assume that after this long of time they would respond, say something, even lie if they had to. (Granted I wouldn’t be happy about them lying, I do believe they did already.)
Now considering their choices, honestly bioware did better considering that fiasco we all remember.
However we are not talking about the ending of a series here, but it could very well be with the way things are going.
343i Must remember that WE are empowered, we are the ones who hold the bills of dollars and or other currencies above their heads. We can put them out of the job if we so desired.
The fact of them ignoring us here is very bad policy in general. And to my utmost surprise we have been ignored. No words in the official forums, nothing from BS angel, none who prowl that are from the core of this thing itself.
IF we are to do anything, it is to send a loud, clear, and STRONG message to them, that we are the ones who make them exist.
There should be no doubt what they will do next, no uncertainty. While do not know the path in which we can take to make this a reality, there should be no doubt for the next game that yes there will be Sangheili, there will be invasion, and other crazier things than the days of Halo 2, 3, and REACH. Firefight returns. All of that. It took them until now to return the ODST armor and the MK V (correct?) armor from Halo 1.
What kind of company does that gimmick?
It shouldn’t be that way.
So I don’t know how any of you diehards and everyone will do it, but you all need to find a way to remind them. I can’t do it, I’m just one person.
That’s true for us all. And we have to send hand written letters to their offices, SO BE IT.
One way or another we must do something, time is running out until Halo 5 is out, and lord only knows how that will turn out if they don’t hear us.
Either they say something, or we send a message one way or another. But this forum I hate to tell you all my brothers is not enough.
I’m not doing this to type up, I’m doign this because this is a damn good series that no one wants to see jacked up. I don’t want a call of duty in space with Spartans, I don’t want some self righteous UNSC BS.
The objective stays the same for us, we want the Sangheili back, and we’re not alone there are hundreds of others out there that want the Halo we know back. And the lack of a response is what disturbs us all the most.
Forgive me for my ranting, but I suppose it had to be said sooner or later and if I must repeat myself, so be it.
-Out
> As I pick up the pieces of my router and plan to burn it for heresy of unspeakable nature. I suppose I best make my peace now before it decides to delete another hundred characters I made for this.
>
>
> -sigh- hate my router so much
>
>
> Before the unfortunate purging of hapless members of the UNSC I will state this.
>
> Its not about balance and gameplay at this point in time. By now you would suspect that the industry naming itself after the killer of SGT. Johnson would probably take a hint at this point and would say something!
>
> Their silence is very uncomfortable, in fact them not saying a word is what drives us all nuts.
>
> The segregation is one thing, yes that can be handled LATER.
>
> The core of the thread was for one thing and one thing alone. Bring the Sangheili back.
>
> WE DO NOT WORK FOR 343 Industries, our ideas can be scrapped at their whim.
>
> The thing of them not commenting or even saying a thing about this forum despite how divinely long it is, is somewhat of a slap in the face to us. For last I checked this company solely existed to keep the Halo Franchise alive, thus we would normally be glad to spend money on it and continue to keep it going.
>
> However while I would normally bring up some sort of statistic, I do not know where to look thus I can be disregarded and hung by my entrails if you disagree.
>
> But the last I checked 343i should be listening to us the customer, and so far they have been somewhat disappointing. You would assume that after this long of time they would respond, say something, even lie if they had to. (Granted I wouldn’t be happy about them lying, I do believe they did already.)
>
> Now considering their choices, honestly bioware did better considering that fiasco we all remember.
>
> However we are not talking about the ending of a series here, but it could very well be with the way things are going.
>
> 343i Must remember that WE are empowered, we are the ones who hold the bills of dollars and or other currencies above their heads. We can put them out of the job if we so desired.
>
> The fact of them ignoring us here is very bad policy in general. And to my utmost surprise we have been ignored. No words in the official forums, nothing from BS angel, none who prowl that are from the core of this thing itself.
>
> IF we are to do anything, it is to send a loud, clear, and STRONG message to them, that we are the ones who make them exist.
>
> There should be no doubt what they will do next, no uncertainty. While do not know the path in which we can take to make this a reality, there should be no doubt for the next game that yes there will be Sangheili, there will be invasion, and other crazier things than the days of Halo 2, 3, and REACH. Firefight returns. All of that. It took them until now to return the ODST armor and the MK V (correct?) armor from Halo 1.
>
> What kind of company does that gimmick?
>
> It shouldn’t be that way.
>
> So I don’t know how any of you diehards and everyone will do it, but you all need to find a way to remind them. I can’t do it, I’m just one person.
> That’s true for us all. And we have to send hand written letters to their offices, SO BE IT.
>
> One way or another we must do something, time is running out until Halo 5 is out, and lord only knows how that will turn out if they don’t hear us.
>
> Either they say something, or we send a message one way or another. But this forum I hate to tell you all my brothers is not enough.
>
> I’m not doing this to type up, I’m doign this because this is a damn good series that no one wants to see jacked up. I don’t want a call of duty in space with Spartans, I don’t want some self righteous UNSC BS.
>
> The objective stays the same for us, we want the Sangheili back, and we’re not alone there are hundreds of others out there that want the Halo we know back. And the lack of a response is what disturbs us all the most.
>
> Forgive me for my ranting, but I suppose it had to be said sooner or later and if I must repeat myself, so be it.
>
> -Out
Agreed we do not need to let issues like height divide us, we need to be civil and focus on the main goal. That being said I do not view my idea that Elites should be their proper height as silly or other people’s ideas to the contrary as silly either. It surprises me that the height argument hasn’t degenerated into an internet fight yet.
> > Imo, the only reason elites weren’t playable in Halo 4 was just because 343i had an idea for canon and multiplayer and just went where they saw fit. After playing Halo 4’s campaign and reading The Thursday War, I am 90% sure 343i will bring them back into multiplayer for canon reasons.
>
> The only thing I see out of the Multiplayer being canon is an excuse to not have Elites in Multiplayer…
>
> I mean, they can apparently simulate the Flood, but they can’t simulate Elites.
>
> Hopefully Halo 5 has Elites in the Multiplayer…
I think it 343i wanted to control the large amount of canon they were bringing in with this new game and rather than go into developing a whole new faction that would be human friendly in the game, they would develop the new Spartan program and establish that we have a portion Covenant as our enemy in game. Besides, Glasslands and the Thursday War left me thinking the pro-human Coveys just wanted to blend into society and make peace rather than get into another war, even if humans weren’t the enemy.
It’d be nice to be able to have Forerunner glyphs of our choice embossed on our armour.And let’s not fight over the Sangheili kill box/size thing.United we stand,divided we fall.
343 Industries in the words of the wise and honourable heirachs. I give you this message…
Prophet of Mercy: There will be order in this council!
(There will be order in this forum.)
Prothet of Truth: You were right to focus your intention on the flood.
But this demon…this ‘Master Chief’…
(343i, You were right to focus your attention on the Spartans, but now bring back Elites…)
Thel Vadamee: By the time I learned the demon’s intent, there was nothing I could do.
[Indignant clamoring]
(By the time the fans learnt of 343i’s intent it was already to late.)
Regret: Noble Prophet of Truth, this has gone on long enough. Make an example
of this bungler! The Council demands it!
(Noble Frank O’Connor, this has gone on long enough. Make an example
of this problem. the fans demand it.)
Truth: You are one of our most treasured instruments. Long have you led your
fleet with honour and distinction, but your inability to safeguard Halo was a
colossal failure…
(You are one of Halo’s most treasured creators. Long have you led Halo with honour and distiction, but your inability to put Elites into multiplayer was a colossal failure.)
Council Member: Nay, it was heresy!
[The chamber erupts in an enraged uproar]
(Nay, it was Heresy!)
Elite: I will continue my campaign against the humans!
(We will continue on just using Spartans in multiplayer.)
Truth: No! You will not! Soon the Great Journey shall begin. But when it
does, the weight of your heresy will stay your feet…and you shall be left
behind.
(No! You will not! Soon Halo 5 will release. But when it
does, the weight of your heresy will stay your feet…and you shall be left
behind.)
> But that same exact height issue about elites being taller and the stupid bs cannon nonsense is the same exact reason why elites were hardly playable in Halo Reach and kicked off big time in halo 4? Doesn’t anyone see where I am coming from here? Cannon and advantages are something we don’t need at all.
*Canon
Erm… I’m pretty sure the reason they weren’t as played as in Reach was because they were limited to certain playlists…
Elites had disadvantages too. They were considerably larger targets in Reach and couldn’t fit into smaller corners/passageways.
You say canon is something we don’t need for elites being in multiplayer, yet multiplayer is now canon. And elites physically have their physical advantage traits regardless of being shrunk down. I see where you’re coming from, but was it that much a pain to kill them in Reach for you?
> 343 Industries in the words of the wise and honourable heirachs. I give you this message…
>
> Prophet of Mercy: There will be order in this council!
> (There will be order in this forum.)
> Prothet of Truth: You were right to focus your intention on the flood.
> But this demon…this ‘Master Chief’…
> (343i, You were right to focus your attention on the Spartans, but now bring back Elites…)
> Thel Vadamee: By the time I learned the demon’s intent, there was nothing I could do.
> [Indignant clamoring]
> (By the time the fans learnt of 343i’s intent it was already to late.)
> Regret: Noble Prophet of Truth, this has gone on long enough. Make an example
> of this bungler! The Council demands it!
> (Noble Frank O’Connor, this has gone on long enough. Make an example
> of this problem. the fans demand it.)
> Truth: You are one of our most treasured instruments. Long have you led your
> fleet with honour and distinction, but your inability to safeguard Halo was a
> colossal failure…
> (You are one of Halo’s most treasured creators. Long have you led Halo with honour and distiction, but your inability to put Elites into multiplayer was a colossal failure.)
> Council Member: Nay, it was heresy!
> [The chamber erupts in an enraged uproar]
> (Nay, it was Heresy!)
> Elite: I will continue my campaign against the humans!
> (We will continue on just using Spartans in multiplayer.)
> Truth: No! You will not! Soon the Great Journey shall begin. But when it
> does, the weight of your heresy will stay your feet…and you shall be left
> behind.
> (No! You will not! Soon Halo 5 will release. But when it
> does, the weight of your heresy will stay your feet…and you shall be left
> behind.)
Only thing is, a good portion of this isn’t confirmed (that being Frankie turning around and saying “we need elites”). It isn’t to say it hasn’t been discussed or mentioned between 343i, though.
> > But that same exact height issue about elites being taller and the stupid bs cannon nonsense is the same exact reason why elites were hardly playable in Halo Reach and kicked off big time in halo 4? Doesn’t anyone see where I am coming from here? Cannon and advantages are something we don’t need at all.
>
> *Canon
>
> Erm… I’m pretty sure the reason they weren’t as played as in Reach was because they were limited to certain playlists…
>
> Elites had disadvantages too. They were considerably larger targets in Reach and couldn’t fit into smaller corners/passageways.
>
> You say canon is something we don’t need for elites being in multiplayer, yet multiplayer is now canon. And elites physically have their physical advantage traits regardless of being shrunk down. I see where you’re coming from, but was it that much a pain to kill them in Reach for you?
Ask that to the people that get pissed off by the advantages that the Elite’s had in Halo Reach which was still unnecessary to have, especially with the height, or the shrinkage of the Spartans.
