> So if I’m an Elite player and I’m restricted to an Elite+Spartan only playlist that means I have more options?
>
> LOL, NO.
>
> There’d be MLG/Clan/whatever playlists, yes, but denying access simply because the player is an Elite/Spartan Casual/Competitive to any type of playlist is always a bad idea.
so have ever gametypes in a playlist is not enough for you?
> so have ever gametypes in a playlist is not enough for you?
…What?
Are you trying to say that the gametypes that are currently available is not enough for me? Because that has nothing to do with what we’re talking about here.
You’ve been arguing against me for the past hour and yet you STILL either don’t understand what segregation means, or that you choose not to acknowledge that I’m right. Preventing players who play as Elites from entering another playlist simply because they’re Elites is segregation, and a bad idea.
This is why Halo 3’s Ranked/Social playlist system was dropped from Halo Reach, Halo 4 and any Halo title yet to come because it causes segregation. Do you understand?
> > So if I’m an Elite player and I’m restricted to an Elite+Spartan only playlist that means I have more options?
> >
> > LOL, NO.
> >
> > There’d be MLG/Clan/whatever playlists, yes, but denying access simply because the player is an Elite/Spartan Casual/Competitive to any type of playlist is always a bad idea.
>
> so have ever gametypes in a playlist is not enough for you?
Not when Elites and Spartans are playing separately, no. I prefer Elites and Spartans in EVERY playlist and type without having to be separated from each other whatsoever. It’s as simple as that, no restrictions, full on choice on what we want to be and choosing what gametype we want to play that Spartans play also.
> > so have ever gametypes in a playlist is not enough for you?
>
> …What?
>
> Are you trying to say that the gametypes that are currently available is not enough for me? Because that has nothing to do with what we’re talking about here.
>
> You’ve been arguing against me for the past hour and yet you STILL either don’t understand what segregation means, or that you choose not to acknowledge that I’m right. Preventing players who play as Elites from entering another playlist simply because they’re Elites is segregation, and a bad idea.
>
> This is why Halo 3’s Ranked/Social playlist system was dropped from Halo Reach, Halo 4 and any Halo title yet to come because it causes segregation. Do you understand?
Well then how about this?
a Spartans-Only Playlist, an Elites-only playlist, and a Spartans and Elites-Mix. Playlist
well that solve the problem? or is that to much?.
That doesn’t fix or even begin to solve the problem of segregation.
seg·re·gate
/ˈsegriˌgāt/
Verb
Set apart from the rest or from each other; isolate or divide.
Separate or divide (people, activities, or institutions) along racial, sexual, or religious lines.
That does not solve anything at all, that’s even causing more segregation than it needs to be. Get rid of all the barriers and let everyone roam free on what they want to play. Is that so much to ask for?
> That does not solve anything at all, that’s even causing more segregation than it needs to be. Get rid of all the barriers and let everyone roam free on what they want to play. Is that so much to ask for?
The only issue I can see coming out of this is one race being stronger than the other. By default, Elites would have to be stronger, meaning it gives them an advantage.
I’d be down for it, but that just isn’t going to happen, this is why a majority of gametypes in regular Reach matchmaking were Spartan vs Spartan or Elite vs Elite.
Assuming we’re going with post Halo Reach Elites.
> > so have ever gametypes in a playlist is not enough for you?
>
> …What?
>
> Are you trying to say that the gametypes that are currently available is not enough for me? Because that has nothing to do with what we’re talking about here.
>
> You’ve been arguing against me for the past hour and yet you STILL either don’t understand what segregation means, or that you choose not to acknowledge that I’m right. Preventing players who play as Elites from entering another playlist simply because they’re Elites is segregation, and a bad idea.
>
> This is why Halo 3’s Ranked/Social playlist system was dropped from Halo Reach, Halo 4 and any Halo title yet to come because it causes segregation. Do you understand?
you clearly have forgotten what we are talking about.i talking about an idea that think is better than what we have for H4. a compromise for spartans and Elite player.because some of them have reasonable complain about elites.I personal want it to back to like h2 and h3. and assuming your right is very arrogant.
> > That does not solve anything at all, that’s even causing more segregation than it needs to be. Get rid of all the barriers and let everyone roam free on what they want to play. Is that so much to ask for?
>
> The only issue I can see coming out of this is one race being stronger than the other. By default, Elites would have to be stronger, meaning it gives them an advantage.
>
> I’d be down for it, but that just isn’t going to happen, this is why a majority of gametypes in regular Reach matchmaking were Spartan vs Spartan or Elite vs Elite.
So how bout making it just like Halo 2 and 3 then? Back when nobody had an unfair advantage over one another?
> > > That does not solve anything at all, that’s even causing more segregation than it needs to be. Get rid of all the barriers and let everyone roam free on what they want to play. Is that so much to ask for?
> >
> > The only issue I can see coming out of this is one race being stronger than the other. By default, Elites would have to be stronger, meaning it gives them an advantage.
> >
> > I’d be down for it, but that just isn’t going to happen, this is why a majority of gametypes in regular Reach matchmaking were Spartan vs Spartan or Elite vs Elite.
>
> So how bout making it just like Halo 2 and 3 then? Back when nobody had an unfair advantage over one another?
They aren’t going to drop the canonical stuff, you know it as well as I do, they wouldn’t go through all that effort to establish canonical multiplayer in one game and not the rest.
I’d love to see Elites be like Halo 2 were there no advantages at all, but realistically, you have to realize it won’t be like that.
Whoa friendly fire! when I posted my comment I didn’t mean to start an internet fight! From what I gather Boo Job wants Elites back no matter what the cost something I’m sure we can all relate too. But, I think we can all agree the best possible situation would be an un-restricted Halo that allows Spartans and Elites to freely battle with or against each other. One thing is for certain we don’t need to let this question divide us!
> assuming your right is very arrogant.
I know I’m right when it comes to stating that preventing Elites/Spartans from accessing certain playlists is segregation. That is not arrogance, that is knowing that what I posted is correct and logically sound.
If we went back to Halo 3 or even 2, then we’d have the best of both worlds. People get to freely play as Elites, or not, and would not interfere with playlists nor balance.
> > > > That does not solve anything at all, that’s even causing more segregation than it needs to be. Get rid of all the barriers and let everyone roam free on what they want to play. Is that so much to ask for?
> > >
> > > The only issue I can see coming out of this is one race being stronger than the other. By default, Elites would have to be stronger, meaning it gives them an advantage.
> > >
> > > I’d be down for it, but that just isn’t going to happen, this is why a majority of gametypes in regular Reach matchmaking were Spartan vs Spartan or Elite vs Elite.
> >
> > So how bout making it just like Halo 2 and 3 then? Back when nobody had an unfair advantage over one another?
>
> They aren’t going to drop the canonical stuff, you know it as well as I do, they wouldn’t go through all that effort to establish canonical multiplayer in one game and not the rest.
>
> I’d love to see Elites be like Halo 2 were there no advantages at all, but realistically, you have to realize it won’t be like that.
Then the Elites in multiplayer will just need to canonically be restricted by some things which makes them equals to Spartans. To slow Elites down it could be said that they wear armor which is made out of ultra heavy materials to get better training out of their training sessions, or the material could just be ceremonial.
> > assuming your right is very arrogant.
>
> I know I’m right when it comes to stating that preventing Elites/Spartans from accessing certain playlists is segregation. That is not arrogance, that is knowing that what I posted is correct and logically sound.
>
> If we went back to Halo 3 or even 2, then we’d have the best of both worlds. People get to freely play as Elites, or not, and would not interfere with playlists nor balance.
Those who don’t like to play with Elites will need something that will keep them happy while Elite players still get to play as Elites. If they just want to play with Spartans then they could see just Spartans, same with Elite players. It could be an option in which people only see Spartans and from their perspective shots to the head act as shots to the head when really its a big Elite taller then them. The story would be that the war games simulator puts an image over the Elite or Spartan and sends it solely to the Spartans/Elites who wants to see only Spartans/Elites. The Spartans/Elites would chose this option to better themselves in an area, such as attacking rogue Spartans.
bloody h377 turn my back and this starts. Anyway one thing that I realize is that MP canon is still one of the dumbest ideas ever, And if 343 sticks with it they’re gonna have a bad day.
The idea of a holographic image would be nice in the short term but in the long term for a Sangheili player the idea of a holographic image while nice like stated at first will come to bring an itch later.
as I previously stated that the mp canon should just be dropped and the only canons should be for the Campaign and for the Special Operations missions (I didn’t say spartan due to the fact that in hopes you could use your sangheili character instead)
simple solution, drop the canon (and the BS that goes with it too, though I will admit if Red vs Blue spartans is canon fighting on Infinity in War Games…then they better make VIC canon!)
Not so simple solution: knowing the circumferential bone density for the employees of 343 the idea of dropping the multiplayer canon might as well be shot out of an airlock.
So canon
One thing I realize is that in all of Halo 4, the writers flaunt off the UNSC in every way possible, even in Forge which annoyed the living H E L L out of me because it started to look like a bad car commercial. And try to give off the invincibility of the UNSC Infinity of course wisely throwing it into perilous situations primarily in spartan ops proving otherwise!
So with the fact that they been butt hurt themselves puts me in a bit of hope in this not so simple solution.
With the Precursors, Forerunners, and the Reborn Covenant under Jul Mdama (put his head on pike shall we?) the UNSC alone cannot handle those threats, realistically not even the Chief without some sort of backup, even with his divine luck. Oh and throw in Dr. Halsey (aka mom) into the mix as being on the opposite side of the line and well you got a recipe for disaster that makes the previous war look like it was nothing in terms how badly it could end up.
So now that the UNSC is tangled up on all sides and ONI still backstabbing everyone (yeah remember those freaks?) under Osman who from what I can tell is a prideful queen bee and would more than likely have her hand forced to do what she would consider just unthinkable. Having the UNSC reach out to its old allies and praying that Jul didn’t tell the Arbiter about the Halo version of the Genophage possibly setting him against the UNSC despite the help they gave them really does put a damp on that now doesn’t it?
So where does this lead up to?
Well throw in ONI on the list of baddies because honestly while they made some good calls, most of them were down right evil and uncalled for. Throw in their ruthlessness and resources and they’re the god forsaken Inquisition, and perhaps just as bad as the 40k Standard too.
Anyway I digress, with the 5h1t list of enemies and powers against those of humanity even with the spartans assisting with their lives, you know that they cannot do this alone. And will at some point atone for “their sins”
With the political situation and that the Arbiter finding a weakened Infinity and perhaps after the discovery of ONI’s plan of trying to wipe them off their own homeworld you can imagine the damage that will do. That handshake to the Arbiter was in his opinion more than likely humanity’s honor right there and they just threw it away. So while he’s on the verge creating ANOTHER FRONT with an old enemy and old ally he wouldn’t be so quick to forgive after that. After all remember what happened to the last guy who angered him? Flood chow after he stabbed them, and blew up that white brute to kingdom come or stabbed him which ever right?
So how do you pacify the rage of essentially the boss of the Sangheili, you get John back in. And even if the Spartan II is aging he knows his friends to an extent and after the events of Halo 3, he’d probably know the Arbiter enough. So as John trying to get Arbiter back with them is when Jul comes in, giving Thel Vadam a choice to join me or join them the line is drawn.
Thel goes with Humanity seeing the bigger picture, and reparations would be made later. Thus after getting butt hurt themselves the surviving Sangheili from the wreckage of the fleet that had the Infinity surrounded and were ready to destroy the Pride of the UNSC are now having to live on it due to the situation that is escalating against them.
Its not a matter of diplomatic relations but rather that of survival. And to hone their skills to the Max is to have Spartans vs Sangheili in the war game simulations, no holographs either but the real deal. Roland if he doesn’t get hacked or go bat crap insane would be able to provide locations for both sides in which they can use.
like I said, this isn’t about diplomatic relations and that the UNSC opens their doors to an old enemy to create ties, because the humanity in the future from what I can tell are a bunch of -Yoink- holes!
It boils down to survival instead.
( see some of the gaps in this, its not perfect but here you go)
> bloody h377 turn my back and this starts. Anyway one thing that I realize is that MP canon is still one of the dumbest ideas ever, And if 343 sticks with it they’re gonna have a bad day.
>
> The idea of a holographic image would be nice in the short term but in the long term for a Sangheili player the idea of a holographic image while nice like stated at first will come to bring an itch later.
>
> as I previously stated that the mp canon should just be dropped and the only canons should be for the Campaign and for the Special Operations missions (I didn’t say spartan due to the fact that in hopes you could use your sangheili character instead)
>
> simple solution, drop the canon (and the BS that goes with it too, though I will admit if Red vs Blue spartans is canon fighting on Infinity in War Games…then they better make VIC canon!)
>
> Not so simple solution: knowing the circumferential bone density for the employees of 343 the idea of dropping the multiplayer canon might as well be shot out of an airlock.
> So canon
>
> One thing I realize is that in all of Halo 4, the writers flaunt off the UNSC in every way possible, even in Forge which annoyed the living H E L L out of me because it started to look like a bad car commercial. And try to give off the invincibility of the UNSC Infinity of course wisely throwing it into perilous situations primarily in spartan ops proving otherwise!
>
> So with the fact that they been butt hurt themselves puts me in a bit of hope in this not so simple solution.
>
> With the Precursors, Forerunners, and the Reborn Covenant under Jul Mdama (put his head on pike shall we?) the UNSC alone cannot handle those threats, realistically not even the Chief without some sort of backup, even with his divine luck. Oh and throw in Dr. Halsey (aka mom) into the mix as being on the opposite side of the line and well you got a recipe for disaster that makes the previous war look like it was nothing in terms how badly it could end up.
>
> So now that the UNSC is tangled up on all sides and ONI still backstabbing everyone (yeah remember those freaks?) under Osman who from what I can tell is a prideful queen bee and would more than likely have her hand forced to do what she would consider just unthinkable. Having the UNSC reach out to its old allies and praying that Jul didn’t tell the Arbiter about the Halo version of the Genophage possibly setting him against the UNSC despite the help they gave them really does put a damp on that now doesn’t it?
>
> So where does this lead up to?
>
> Well throw in ONI on the list of baddies because honestly while they made some good calls, most of them were down right evil and uncalled for. Throw in their ruthlessness and resources and they’re the god forsaken Inquisition, and perhaps just as bad as the 40k Standard too.
>
> Anyway I digress, with the 5h1t list of enemies and powers against those of humanity even with the spartans assisting with their lives, you know that they cannot do this alone. And will at some point atone for “their sins”
>
> With the political situation and that the Arbiter finding a weakened Infinity and perhaps after the discovery of ONI’s plan of trying to wipe them off their own homeworld you can imagine the damage that will do. That handshake to the Arbiter was in his opinion more than likely humanity’s honor right there and they just threw it away. So while he’s on the verge creating ANOTHER FRONT with an old enemy and old ally he wouldn’t be so quick to forgive after that. After all remember what happened to the last guy who angered him? Flood chow after he stabbed them, and blew up that white brute to kingdom come or stabbed him which ever right?
>
> So how do you pacify the rage of essentially the boss of the Sangheili, you get John back in. And even if the Spartan II is aging he knows his friends to an extent and after the events of Halo 3, he’d probably know the Arbiter enough. So as John trying to get Arbiter back with them is when Jul comes in, giving Thel Vadam a choice to join me or join them the line is drawn.
>
> Thel goes with Humanity seeing the bigger picture, and reparations would be made later. Thus after getting butt hurt themselves the surviving Sangheili from the wreckage of the fleet that had the Infinity surrounded and were ready to destroy the Pride of the UNSC are now having to live on it due to the situation that is escalating against them.
>
> Its not a matter of diplomatic relations but rather that of survival. And to hone their skills to the Max is to have Spartans vs Sangheili in the war game simulations, no holographs either but the real deal. Roland if he doesn’t get hacked or go bat crap insane would be able to provide locations for both sides in which they can use.
>
> like I said, this isn’t about diplomatic relations and that the UNSC opens their doors to an old enemy to create ties, because the humanity in the future from what I can tell are a bunch of -Yoink!- holes!
>
> It boils down to survival instead.
>
> ( see some of the gaps in this, its not perfect but here you go)
If Humanity is the future holders of the mantle then they will need the co-operation of all species (eventually) to keep the peace. Who knows maybe they’ll get a special visit from some intergalactic flood or some precursors. Anyway your idea is good enough for me. It can be worked on and expanded until it fits nicely.
If 343 honestly doesn’t have time for the Elite community then maybe a spinoff could work for them. If that doesn’t work then maybe the Elite community will have to gather together and learn how to make a video game after getting rights from Microsoft. I doubt Microsoft is going to mind having a bit more money. As far as I know 343 industries is owned by Microsoft, and I believe Microsoft is the owner to the rights of Halo.
> If 343 honestly doesn’t have time for the Elite community then maybe a spinoff could work for them. If that doesn’t work then maybe the Elite community will have to gather together and learn how to make a video game after getting rights from Microsoft. I doubt Microsoft is going to mind having a bit more money. As far as I know 343 industries is owned by Microsoft, and I believe Microsoft is the owner to the rights of Halo.
I would love to texture for any Halo! Unfortunately that is never going to happen=(
I also don’t want to have to go to a whole new game to play as Sangheili. In the same way that some Spartans miss fighting us I would miss fighting them.
Two more pages to go until we hit 343! However, we cannot let it stop there! It is unfortunate that we have had to go for this long=( This thread should only end if we hear the Sangheili will return to their former glory in the next Halo! If we hear otherwise then I foresee this thread exploding.